+Andrew Davie Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 A fair while back it was indicated that the PCB for the Brazil-based clone of PlusCart was to be released. This doesn't appear to have happened. I would like to see this make its way to public release ASAP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Al_Nafuur Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I have exchanged a few messages with @DablioGames recently. Due to the high prices of the STM32 MCU (and the higher import duties in Brazil) he is not producing any PlusCarts or UnoCarts at the moment. He suggested to use a cheaper MCU and also offered to support with the new PCB for that. But I don't see a cheap alternative that we can easily port our code base to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Andrew Davie Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 12/15/2021 at 9:48 PM, Al_Nafuur said: I have exchanged a few messages with @DablioGames recently. Due to the high prices of the STM32 MCU (and the higher import duties in Brazil) he is not producing any PlusCarts or UnoCarts at the moment. He suggested to use a cheaper MCU and also offered to support with the new PCB for that. But I don't see a cheap alternative that we can easily port our code base to. Regardless, under GPL he is required to release the current PCB, AFAIK. I don't care about his willingness to support "cheap alternatives". He should/could release the existing design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Al_Nafuur Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Andrew Davie said: Regardless, under GPL he is required to release the current PCB, AFAIK. ? I don't see that the smd PCB design he did himself is derived from any GPL work ? Just like the smd PCB @MacRorie uses for the UnoCart. AFAIK they aren't under the GPL too. These SMD boards do not necessarily have to be released under the GPL just because we and @electrotrains have released some simple breakout boards under the GPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Andrew Davie Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Al_Nafuur said: I don't see that the smd PCB design he did himself is derived from any GPL work ? OK, I stand corrected. But still, it seems you're allowing this gent to profit/resell your GPL'd work (and to a lesser degree, mine) and use your website/resources without any contributions to the project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Al_Nafuur Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Andrew Davie said: OK, I stand corrected. ? 1 minute ago, Andrew Davie said: But still, it seems you're allowing this gent to profit/resell your GPL'd work (and to a lesser degree, mine) A lot of big companies are using GPL'd work in their products. That doesn't mean they have to compensate/inform the original creator or publish their products (TVs, smartphones, toasters, etc.) under the GPL too. All they need to do according to the GPL is to inform the customer that the product contains GPL'd work (which they mostly do on the second last page of the manual in a very small font). The great thing about the GPL is that everyone has the right to produce and sell a GPL'd work (at any price he wants). And the customer has the possibility to choose where he buys his product. 1 minute ago, Andrew Davie said: and use your website/resources without any contributions to the project. using other people's service/resources is something different and of course not covered by the GPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Andrew Davie Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Al_Nafuur said: The great thing about the GPL is that everyone has the right to produce and sell a GPL'd work (at any price he wants). And the customer has the possibility to choose where he buys his product. OK, noted. I need to find a license that allows copying/use but not profiting without permission. 17 minutes ago, Al_Nafuur said: using other people's service/resources is something different and of course not covered by the GPL. I understood you have an agreement a year or so ago that the board design would be released, and on this basis you allowed the Brazil version to continue to use the website....? Wasn't there a basic promise/intention along those lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Andrew Davie said: OK, noted. I need to find a license that allows copying/use but not profiting without permission. Sounds like you're looking for a creative commons license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Al_Nafuur Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Andrew Davie said: I understood you have an agreement a year or so ago that the board design would be released, and on this basis you allowed the Brazil version to continue to use the website....? Yes. 17 minutes ago, Andrew Davie said: Wasn't there a basic promise/intention along those lines? Yes. @DablioGames promised to release his PlusCart/UnoCart PCB design under the GPL (or any other open license?). But, as we are all know, this hasn't happend yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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