ivop Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Interesting! DBED: A0 04 LDY #$04 DBEF: 18 CLC DBF0: 36 04 ROL $04,X ;RAMLO DBF2: 36 03 ROL $03,X ;CASINI+1 DBF4: 36 02 ROL $02,X ;CASINI DBF6: 36 01 ROL $01,X ;NGFLAG DBF8: 36 00 ROL $00,X ;LNFLG DBFA: 26 EC ROL $EC ;FRX DBFC: 88 DEY DBFD: D0 F0 BNE $DBEF DBFF: 60 RTS And if you set Y yourself, and jump to $DBEF, you can multiply by other multiples of two, too Edited January 4, 2022 by ivop 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmenit Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 I plan to prepare a sizecoding essay for using OS. There is a lot of useful stuff there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClausB Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, ivop said: Interesting! DBED: A0 04 LDY #$04 DBEF: 18 CLC DBF0: 36 04 ROL $04,X ;RAMLO DBF2: 36 03 ROL $03,X ;CASINI+1 DBF4: 36 02 ROL $02,X ;CASINI DBF6: 36 01 ROL $01,X ;NGFLAG DBF8: 36 00 ROL $00,X ;LNFLG DBFA: 26 EC ROL $EC ;FRX DBFC: 88 DEY DBFD: D0 F0 BNE $DBEF DBFF: 60 RTS Nice. Of course, the labels RAMLO, CASINI, etc. are meaningless here, and confusing, because this is never called with X being zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:24 PM, ilmenit said: I plan to prepare a sizecoding essay for using OS. There is a lot of useful stuff there. Cool! I recently thought of going through the OS, looking for interesting code that ends with an rts, but if you already have done so... 23 hours ago, ClausB said: Nice. Of course, the labels RAMLO, CASINI, etc. are meaningless here, and confusing, because this is never called with X being zero. Yeah, they are meaningless in this context. They were generated by the builtin atari800 disassembler and I didn't remove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanny Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Is this going to work with any OS version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 57 minutes ago, sanny said: Is this going to work with any OS version? No. This is about sizecoding and needs specific requirements for the computer/emulator to run it properly. Most of the time it is 800XL with rev.2 OS and NO BASIC. For example: lda #2 jsr $ef9c ; set graphics mode won't work with anything other then the previous mentioned requirements. No BASIC if you want to write directly into the screen memory of the just set graphics mode. Et cetera.... It's not about being compatible, it's about being as small as possible, and then do something neat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drac030 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 8:30 PM, ivop said: It's not about being compatible, it's about being as small as possible, and then do something neat. Something neat that does not work It is cheating IMHO. A 256-byte intro, which uses illegal OS calls, is not really equally the same as another 256-byte intro which does not use that. They should not be in the same category. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, drac030 said: Something neat that does not work It is cheating IMHO. A 256-byte intro, which uses illegal OS calls, is not really equally the same as another 256-byte intro which does not use that. They should not be in the same category. Devil's advocate here, but is anything being done in 256-bytes (as a demo) not "cheating" at everything it's doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) I somewhat agree with @drac030, but on the other hand, other platforms have their ROMs, too, to exploit. I did a couple of C64 entries for the first Lovebyte compo, first time programming for the C64, and you can "exploit" the header for a few preloaded constants. Is that cheating? The C64 does not have segments while loading like we have on the Atari. I can exploit that by assuming the first segment is also the run address, and the second segment is just C4 02 C5 02 12 34, which is six bytes. lda #val, sta abs twice is ten bytes. Is that cheating? Looking into doing something for the Apple ][ or Oric! And exploit every ROM there is Edited January 7, 2022 by ivop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmenit Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, ivop said: Looking into doing something for the Apple ][ or Oric! And exploit every ROM there is Apple 2 has a great ROM routines. If we call using system specific properties a cheating then we could close the whole category of 256 (and less) ? On all the platforms (not only 8bit) they are in use in such intros. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClausB Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 1:28 PM, sanny said: Is this going to work with any OS version? This routine is in the floating point ROM. Did that change with OS versions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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