rickcollette Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I have tried several combinations of things to get a basic (read: simple) bbs up and going. Why is it that 11 year old me had no issue standing up a bbs without all the resources and info the internet has to offer and with half broken equipment, yet "post 49 year old" me who has worked in tech for a thousand years, all the resourses the internet has to offer, and all of your experiences to draw on ... is failing. Set equipment: atari 800XL 512K expansion IDE+ 2.0 Experimented with: WiModem 232+PR Connection WiModem 232 + 850 FujiNet I also use RespeQT to transfer files to and from the IDE+2.0.. but typically disconnect it to test the BBS software AMIS: Does not answer inbound calls AtariLink 2.0: Seems to lock up on the load screen "RUNNING LINK20X.BAS" (run"d:begin" - then after configuration, select option 1 to run the BBS.. freezes) FoReM XEP 5x: running the r: driver, amp(850|9600) then going into basicxe freezes the machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Running oasis (may 1987 version); i manage to get to a waitcall screen - but when i try to connect to it, the wimodem says its answering, but oasis does nothing... wonder if i need to set ATS0=1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnPolka Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 hours ago, rickcollette said: Running oasis (may 1987 version); i manage to get to a waitcall screen - but when i try to connect to it, the wimodem says its answering, but oasis does nothing... wonder if i need to set ATS0=1 ? It depends on what Oasis expects for an incoming call. Some BBS programs look for a "Ring!" message, others expect auto answer to be enabled (e.g., ATS0=1), etc. -JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 hours ago, rickcollette said: I have tried several combinations of things to get a basic (read: simple) bbs up and going. Why is it that 11 year old me had no issue standing up a bbs without all the resources and info the internet has to offer and with half broken equipment, yet "post 49 year old" me who has worked in tech for a thousand years, all the resourses the internet has to offer, and all of your experiences to draw on ... is failing. All the brain cells you used for that died a long time ago. At least I think that's the case with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnPolka said: It depends on what Oasis expects for an incoming call. Some BBS programs look for a "Ring!" message, others expect auto answer to be enabled (e.g., ATS0=1), etc. -JP And some probably are even just waiting for CD..... Which version of Oasis? (3? 4? I don't remember it by year)... or if you just have documentation. Maybe we can just focus on a setup for now. Oasis perhaps? (Or does something else seem better?) Would you rather use the P:R: or the 850? I think if we just commit to one setup to start with, that would be best. Once we get one working, or determine why we can't (and being able to explain why, and why we can't figure it out) then maybe move to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 Ill defer to your judgement. I think when we last spoke - I was going to settle on: IDE+ 2.0 Atari 800XL+512K PR:Connection WiModem232 Choice of BBS does not matter to me, except I would like to be able to run external programs (doors/games) I also recently acquired a copy of Carnival with all the support files associated - I dug through the code of that and kind of liked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Well, my "judgement" is just saying, let's choose one and totally exhaust everything with that first. May not be right... who knows... So if you wanted to save the 850 for something else... well... ok.... Let's go with the PRC. But if you're good with the IDE+ 2.0 Atari 800XL+512K PR:Connection WiModem232 And Carnival is peaking your interest... Let's start with that (if you like). Might be helpful to post that copy for those who don't have it. I can say I don't think anyone is running it, so it's unique. Posting your copy here will help eliminate deltas. We'll see where this journey takes us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 So - these came via an ancient box of disks a friend of mine made ATRs from this morning. I believe the bbs itself had dubious history; but the thing is - this person took time to convert Carnival (still referred to as AMIS in the filesystem) from R: to MPP - the original is on disk 2 side 1 (I believe) Carnival_bbs_disk1_side2.atr Carnival_bbs_disk2.atr Carnival_bbs_disk2_side2.atr Carnival_bbs_disk1.atr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Cool! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 So what would be a good process to start? Getting the base system working in an emulator? The actual hardware? Something else? One of my issues is that I don't even know if I have an operational R: handler for the PR:Connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 Started playing with it in an emulator. Core bbs code works.. good start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 hours ago, rickcollette said: So what would be a good process to start? Getting the base system working in an emulator? The actual hardware? Something else? One of my issues is that I don't even know if I have an operational R: handler for the PR:Connection. Well, that's probably a good place to start. The PRC.SYS is going to be very important for many things. If you can't find an ATR of the ICD disks for the P:R:C I'm sure we can find someone who has it somewhere... otherwise, I know I have the actual disks I can probably image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 I have 3 different ATRs from ICD for the PRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 From my experience, PRC.SYS is all you'll likely need. The RS232.COM might help, but most things have an RS232.COM (or equivalent) hanging around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) The problem with many old copies of BBS software is that it's already monkeyed with and set up for others stuff... that means autorun.sys... ar0 ar1 ar2 etc... are set up with their own flavor of R: or T: devices... different R.bins You will find some of them have these appended to the BBS... With BASIC based BBS it sometimes requires being listed the entered to kill off the bloat... this removes appended binaries etc. For machine language or other BBS's and terminals, it's a bit more of an issue... you have to separate the two segments... A clean copy if possible is the easiest and best way... but some of the Sysops and coding gurus can easier separate the wheat from the chaff ... The carnival disk was loading a non existent device... making a tone... that's the sign of an R: bin or T: bin for MPP 1030 xm301 etc... Edited February 5, 2022 by _The Doctor__ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 So i think the current issue is my Basic XE cart. Im using a 4in1 with basic xe 4.x ; but it seems to be the common thing keeping my system from booting. ill give a body part (or cash) for a real basic xe cart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlight_mile Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 19 hours ago, rickcollette said: So i think the current issue is my Basic XE cart. Im using a 4in1 with basic xe 4.x ; but it seems to be the common thing keeping my system from booting. ill give a body part (or cash) for a real basic xe cart When I was testing my stuff I was using the ultimate cart. Might be a little redundant on what you may already have but it did seem to work when I was testing FoReM xe pro last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 im happy to try whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerbob Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 What happened with this Rick? did you manage to get something working?? maybe I am logging on already and dont realize its yours??? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickcollette Posted January 7, 2023 Author Share Posted January 7, 2023 life took a left hand turn - which isn't always bad - i have everything packed and waiting for my house to sell so I can relocate - til then.. its just modern machinery I really do appreciate you asking though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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