phoboz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, CyranoJ said: Please don't motivate the battlesphere guys, the 'scene' is far better off without them. Yes, but I somehow like their dedication, as they continued to develop their game in a small team, even after Atari stopped supporting them, and finally they managed to release the game long after the Jaguar was proclaimed dead. I understand from you that have been active way before me that theses people might be a little bit hard to deal with? Personally I can accept that from teams who also deliver, as opposed to other people who just tend to talk about something great that never materialises. Imagine how great it would have been if the teams behind Deathwatch, Conan and even the team behind Native demo would have been as dedicated as them? Edited March 10, 2022 by phoboz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Considering they are all banned for being gigantic <INSERT BODY PART HERE> I don't think that should be rewarded, so don't get your hopes up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordKraken Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, phoboz said: the team behind Native demo They were and still are dedicated. And in the homebrew world, they delivered 2 masterpieces. Just not on the Jag ^^ Edited March 10, 2022 by LordKraken 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoboz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LordKraken said: They were and still are dedicated. And in the homebrew world, they delivered 2 masterpieces. Just not on the Jag ^^ Yes, but unfortunately they gave up on the Jaguar, and that is what counts here (according to my opinion) The Battlesphere team didn't give up on the Jaguar, and that's why I think they deserve recognition. Edited March 10, 2022 by phoboz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, phoboz said: The Battlesphere team didn't give up on the Jaguar, and that's why I think they deserve recognition. Thru just gave up on being decent human beings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoboz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, CyranoJ said: Thru just gave up on being decent human beings. I just think that it is better to have an objective view of the work they did, without the political aspects being assessed as part their product. I don't think that anyone of us here fulfill the definition of being a saint ? Edited March 10, 2022 by phoboz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, phoboz said: I just think that it is better to have an objective view of the work they did, without the political aspects being assessed as part their product. Possibly because you weren't around then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I agree, including Battlesphere would be a very bad idea. Its over 20 years ago and they left the community in very bad spirit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 The current scene exists despite everything they did, not because of anything they accomplished. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 See? According to the authors, their games aren't homebrew. So no reason to include them in the contest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, phoboz said: I don't think that anyone of us here fulfill the definition of being a saint ? @SainT ? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Zerosquare said: See? According to the authors, their games aren't homebrew. So no reason to include them in the contest. Would it be fair to call their attitude anti-homebrew? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) Pretty much. They saw homebrew developers as beneath them, and their attitude ranged from condescending at best to outright hostile. Edited March 10, 2022 by Zerosquare 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoboz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zerosquare said: See? According to the authors, their games aren't homebrew. So no reason to include them in the contest. I also remember some other authors here that disliked that some their games were called homebrews. Edited March 10, 2022 by phoboz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, phoboz said: I also remember some other authors here that disliked that some their games were called homebrews. If I remember correctly, one of them diffamed/attacked devs who did emulators and free libraries, notably people of Jagware. Not sure what you are trying to suggest... Edited March 10, 2022 by agradeneu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+jgkspsx Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 6 hours ago, phoboz said: Imagine how great it would have been if the teams behind Deathwatch, Conan and even the team behind Native demo would have been as dedicated as them? Native turned into Sturmwind on the Dreamcast, which is a really great game. It would have been nice to have it on the Jag, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoboz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, agradeneu said: If I remember correctly, one of them diffamed/attacked devs who did emulators and free libraries, notably people of Jagware. Not sure what you are trying to suggest... Maybe they didn't like competition ?? I don't know, it was before my time as suggested earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editorb Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Anyone who codes anything video game-related is a sorcerer to be feared, appeased or/and worshipped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoboz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, jgkspsx said: Native turned into Sturmwind on the Dreamcast, which is a really great game. It would have been nice to have it on the Jag, though. Yes, unfortunately they decided to finalize the game on a platform 3 times as powerful as the Jaguar. That is not really pushing the limits, which seems to be a constant argument everytime a new Jaguar game is released. Edited March 10, 2022 by phoboz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, phoboz said: Yes, unfortunately they decided to finalize the game on a platform 3 times as powerful as the Jaguar. That is not really pushing the limits, which seems to be a constant argument everytime a new Jaguar game is released. Sturmwind is not a finished version of Native, it's a new engine for Dreamcast. For an 2D game, it's among the best on the system that has a lot of excellent 2d games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, phoboz said: Maybe they didn't like competition ?? I don't know, it was before my time as suggested earlier. The chapter was closed for good. I think no one has an interest to reignite conflicts of the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordKraken Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, phoboz said: Yes, unfortunately they decided to finalize the game on a platform 3 times as powerful as the Jaguar. That is not really pushing the limits, which seems to be a constant argument everytime a new Jaguar game is released. Probably even more than just 3 times But to be fair, I don't think the final game is doable on Jaguar. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LordKraken said: Probably even more than just 3 times But to be fair, I don't think the final game is doable on Jaguar. 10x at least? Anyone who actually played "Sturmwind" would agree No way this would run on the Jaguar. They already pushed the system very hard with that sprite 2d engine, but they stated that "Native" is merely a subset of the new engine for the DC. Edited March 10, 2022 by agradeneu 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoboz Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, agradeneu said: 10x at least? Anyone who actually played "Sturmwind" would agree No way this would run on the Jaguar. They already pushed the system very hard with that sprite 2d engine, but they stated that "Native" is merely a subset of the new engine for the DC. Nevertheless it is a big dissapointment that they couldn't finish what they stared. Especially as the developers still seems to be making games for other systems. Still no point to just sit here and complain, rather I can focus on making new games for the Jaguar instead. Edited March 10, 2022 by phoboz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, phoboz said: Nevertheless it is a big dissapointment that they couldn't finish what they stared. Especially as the developers still seems to be making games for other systems. Still no point to just sit here and complain, rather I can focus on making new games for the Jaguar instead. You don't know the background, so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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