+Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Is there a Tutor Pro serial# Database anywhere other than Joe Z's reverse engineering Tutor pages? (Which is awsome by the way... so much great information). Im just wondering if anyone is keeping track of the serial #'s and have any thoughts on the reasons why they are so sperratic. I actually have a thought and wanted to ask others if it sounds feasible.. especially those that were involved with production like maybe BSR Steve. This subject may have already been discussed, but i couldnt find anything regarding the reasons why some of these Tutor Pros show up with random serial numbers. At first i thought the Tutor Pro's were all made around the same serial #s so i tried finding those with low serials.. mainly looking for (7500 - 12,000) to buy. But by seeing Joe Zs serials on his tutor pro pages and seeing the few serial #s of the few found since, has made me think there was a simple answer. Is it possible that these Tutor boards were made (or started) in preperation for production of TutorVision systems (to be made along side of Super Pro systems)? When TutorVision fell through, it is my belief that they had a surplus of PCBs and utelized their stock when repairing returned, non-working Super Pro systems. It makes sense that they would replace the boards (if they had the stock on hand) rather than take the time to troubleshoot the PCBs. If this is feasible, it would explain why the serial numbers of the Tutor Pros are so random. Thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humblejack Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 Both the SP TutorVisions I had had hand written S/N's. A026101 and A10461 Almost 15K difference. It's hard to tell what INTV was thinking. One thought is that at the end when the writing was on the wall that the game was over, they just started throwing any and everything into units to sell as fast as they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog said: ... Is it possible that these Tutor boards were made (or started) in preperation for production of TutorVision systems (to be made along side of Super Pro systems)? When TutorVision fell through, it is my belief that they had a surplus of PCBs and utelized their stock when repairing returned, non-working Super Pro systems. It makes sense that they would replace the boards (if they had the stock on hand) rather than take the time to troubleshoot the PCBs. If this is feasible, it would explain why the serial numbers of the Tutor Pros are so random. For sure, it would have made sense for Tutorvisions and Intellivisions to share the same boards. They even put the circuitry in place to disable the extra gram to make it more Intellivision compatible. INTV serial numbers aren't exactly in order for whatever reason, but they most certainly would be among the last Intellivisions made. It's also possible they end up in a repaired console. Better to go by other clues besides serial numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I have been tracking them best I can since we discovered they exist and all I see is most fall under #10500 or between #26000-31500. But then Joe had I believe a full tutor that was like #13010... Not sure of any other full or partial tutors out of those ranges though. And of course there are non tutors in those ranges too. So anything is possible. Makes you wonder though if they started putting the new boards in the super pro and found all the glitches with regular games and then stopped. But then at the end when they were using whatever parts they had they threw them in some again? The repair idea would make sense too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Here's my list of Tutor Pros. This list is likely incomplete. Also, I have omitted some serial numbers for original Intellivisions that show the serial number do not have continuity (example: there are some original Intellivisions interspersed in 8500-8900 range between some of the INTV88 boards). Motherboard GRAM enabled GROM EXEC Type Notes A 8644 INTV88 Yes? INTV 1986 EXEC 1 Datecode 8912 STIC 1A ASIC A 8652 INTV88 ? ? ? Lathe26's unit A 8774 INTV88 ? ? EXEC 1 A 8800 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 EXEC 1 Lathe26's unit A 8906 INTV88 ? INTV 1986 ? A 10045 INTV88 Yes INTV WBEXEC A 10461 INTV88 Yes INTV WBEXEC A 10302 INTV88 ? ? ? A 13010 INTV88 ? ? WBEXEC A 13142 INTV88 ? ? ? Photo from eBay, can see uber-capacitor through the vents A 26841 INTV88 ? ? ? A 031062 INTV88 ? ? EXEC 1 A 031118 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 WBEXEC Datecode 8930 STIC 1A ASIC A 031240 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 WBEXEC Datecode 8930 STIC 1A ASIC, Lathe26's unit A 031383 INTV88 ? INTV 1986 WBEXEC Photo from eBay, can see uber-capacitor through the vents, Psycho Stormtrooper's 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) I just picked up a late serial Tutor Pro by the way... STIC 8930 1A WBEXEC 8929 Edited April 5, 2022 by Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) I also have these serials in my list: 8774y, 10302, 13010z, 26841, 31062y The z means it has the expanded wbexec, y means a standard intellivision exec. It looks like the range 8644 to 8800 do not have the expanded wbexec while the range >31118 might have it. Edited April 5, 2022 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) Yes.. with all of the information from everyone, its painting an interesting, but caotic picture of how they were produced & distributed. Looking more and more as if they were grabbing whatever they had to get the systems out. Seems to me that the higher serial# systems were more likely to have Tutor parts including expanded wbexec (atleast from info known). Anyone know how many Super Pro systems were sold? Edited April 5, 2022 by Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Thanks for the info. I updated the table above with the additional serial numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterSky Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 (edited) If it can be useful for recording, mine SP TutorVision is #A 10045 with WBEXEC 8929 and STIC 8930 1A Ooops, I saw too late that this was already recorded by Lathe26... ? Edited April 9, 2022 by MonsterSky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderDunks Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Here's another Tutorvision for the list that I was lucky enough to find in the wild last week. Serial number A031422. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 7 hours ago, ThunderDunks said: Here's another Tutorvision for the list that I was lucky enough to find in the wild last week. Serial number A031422. Seems that there are quite a few in the 30k range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psycho Stormtrooper- Rog Posted February 4, 2023 Author Share Posted February 4, 2023 On 4/4/2022 at 11:17 PM, Lathe26 said: Here's my list of Tutor Pros. This list is likely incomplete. Also, I have omitted some serial numbers for original Intellivisions that show the serial number do not have continuity (example: there are some original Intellivisions interspersed in 8500-8900 range between some of the INTV88 boards). Motherboard GRAM enabled GROM EXEC Type Notes A 8644 INTV88 Yes? INTV 1986 EXEC 1 Datecode 8912 STIC 1A ASIC A 8652 INTV88 ? ? ? Lathe26's unit A 8774 INTV88 ? ? EXEC 1 A 8800 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 EXEC 1 Lathe26's unit A 8906 INTV88 ? INTV 1986 ? A 10045 INTV88 Yes INTV WBEXEC A 10461 INTV88 Yes INTV WBEXEC A 10302 INTV88 ? ? ? A 13010 INTV88 ? ? WBEXEC A 13142 INTV88 ? ? ? Photo from eBay, can see uber-capacitor through the vents A 26841 INTV88 ? ? ? A 031062 INTV88 ? ? EXEC 1 A 031118 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 WBEXEC Datecode 8930 STIC 1A ASIC A 031240 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 WBEXEC Datecode 8930 STIC 1A ASIC, Lathe26's unit A 031383 INTV88 ? INTV 1986 WBEXEC Photo from eBay, can see uber-capacitor through the vents, Psycho Stormtrooper's Do you have an updated list Lathe? I know there was one sold on Ebay about a month ago. And i just found another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Here's the updated list. Only a handful more were added and then I got lazy about updating. If you have serial numbers or photos, I could add them to the list. Motherboard GRAM enabled GROM EXEC Type Notes A 8644 INTV88 Yes? INTV 1986 EXEC 1 Datecode 8912 STIC 1A ASIC A 8652 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 EXEC 1 Lathe26's unit A 8774 INTV88 ? ? EXEC 1 A 8800 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 EXEC 1 Lathe26's unit A 8906 INTV88 ? INTV 1986 A 10045 INTV88 Yes INTV WBEXEC A 10302 INTV88 ? ? ? A 10461 INTV88 Yes INTV WBEXEC A 13010 INTV88 ? ? WBEXEC A 13142 INTV88 ? ? ? Can see uber-capacitor through the vents A 26841 INTV88 ? ? ? A 031062 INTV88 ? ? EXEC 1 A 031118 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 WBEXEC Datecode 8930 STIC 1A ASIC A 031240 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 WBEXEC Datecode 8930 STIC 1A ASIC, Lathe26's unit A 031383 INTV88 ? INTV 1986 WBEXEC Can see uber-capacitor through the vents A 031422 INTV88 Yes INTV 1986 WBEXEC Confirmed by Freewheel Diagnostics cart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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