Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[MrBeefy]

1 hour ago, wolfy62 said:

Hey,all this may be true.

But as Cmart said,this should be posted in the modern console section so those of us who are here for the Intellivision threads aren't constantly reminded of what it may or may not be.

Sure,it is a sore spot for me as my enthusiasm and hope has been diminished for obvious reasons.

So if I don't see threads about it in the Intellivision section I am way less likely to search for or find one.

@digdugnate and myself a while back said the Q&A and all threads should be moved. Iirc that thought was met with hostility (not from you per se) but it still happened.

 

I could see why it would be a sore spot for you because iirc you invested money into it correct? Sorry but that isn't any "haters" fault, but the loudmouth who said so much and backed it up with very little.

 

Despite what that loudmouth said, a lot of the people he told people were "haters" were fans wanting it to succeed, who just didn't swallow the hook line and sinker.

 

1 hour ago, Rev said:

Amico’s origin is very deeply rooted in the nostalgia of the Mattel Intellivision. Thats what we were sold on.
 

Without the Intellivision name attached it may as well be any system. The vast majority of games are cell phone or flash ports. Now if released it wont even have Earthworm Jim, Toe Jam & Earl, and I doubt Dolphin Quest will be on it. 

I was the other side and liked the idea of simple games at affordable prices. I was hoping that with people from the industry it would get made and if there were classics that would be a bonus.

 

Good news is I heard a lot of good care was put into the Intv Evercade release.

[Rev]

8 minutes ago, number6 said:

@thread

 

I reported this on June 2 and waited almost a month to do so. It's old news.

 

Brief description and reference

 

Since "Intellivision" IS registered and they filed for extension on the figurative mark for "Amico" (which means those are NOT dead),

please explain to me why they can not simply use those 2 in combination to say "Intellivision Amico".

 

I'm not arguing the relevance of this. I'm just curious how you all drew this conclusion.

 

#6

 

Likely none of us are Trademark lawyers.  But common sense tells me you want the ENTIRE product name of the product you are selling to be trademarked. 
 

Would Sony trademark “Sony” and “Playstation” separate and not also trademark “Sony Playstation”. 

[MrBeefy]

3 minutes ago, Rev said:

There is enough flash/cell ports to get the bad reputation, so thats too many.  Care Bears Racing and Sesame Street? Wasnt one of these a free game on a website?  

Basically the arguement is you are buying an expensive console to strictly play what many consider shovelware on other consoles.

 

I really don't careabout the looks. I just don't see why I need to pay $350 to play Sesame Street games that I can already play for free with Jr Beefy (for free) on his $28 tablet.

[number6]

12 minutes ago, Rev said:

 

Likely none of us are Trademark lawyers.  But common sense tells me you want the ENTIRE product name of the product you are selling to be trademarked. 
 

Would Sony trademark “Sony” and “Playstation” separate and not also trademark “Sony Playstation”. 

Please read the contents of my 2nd link.

That particular trademark for "Intellivision Amico" was headed for its 5th and final extension to show use or it would expire.

By abandoning it they are simply indicating they are not confident they can show show use in commerce for this mark by this November.

They did spend a lot on keeping this mark alive prior to this. Contrary to reports, it was years of filings all public at uspto.

 

They have the option I expressed of combining the 2 other live marks, unless someone cares to indicate/prove otherwise.

 

#6

[Rev]

20 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

Basically the arguement is you are buying an expensive console to strictly play what many consider shovelware on other consoles.

 

I really don't careabout the looks. I just don't see why I need to pay $350 to play Sesame Street games that I can already play for free with Jr Beefy (for free) on his $28 tablet.

If a console HAS to have Sesame Street games and other similar EC type games, just give it a tiny bit of effort, like the Wii games. Dont just port over a free flash game. 
 

 

[Cebus Capucinis]

Oh man, imagine if they did that.....

 

Wouldn't That Be Something?™️

 

To be more serious, you can ignore the filings and read the tea leaves to know there's serious problems. I'm not a trademark/copyright lawyer but I do work for a firm that does it. I can tell you from talking to our IP people that trademark filings are very specific and complex to get right and past the USPTO review. And trademark and IP lawyers are $$$$$$. They're easily 4x what I charge as a corporate lawyer and I am NOT cheap. If Amico can't refund their existing orders, they definitely can't afford the attorneys' fees to draft, review, finalize, and file a trademark use extension or proof of use. Even if they had in-house counsel (which I highly doubt, given they slashed employees), it's not something that is inexpensive and easy to do, but is also basic and required to maintain a brand. And even THEN, the likelihood of their in-house counsel, if such individual exists, being a specialist enough in trademark and IP to be able to negotiate and finalize a trademark past the board review phase is next to zero.

 

If they can't do that......

 

If they can't afford the fees to get very, very basic protections on their products (or maintain the ones that are in place), the doomsayers are more right than anyone thinks, if you ask me.

[Rev]

11 minutes ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

Oh man, imagine if they did that.....

 

Wouldn't That Be Something?™️

The ‘Wouldnt that be something?’ trademark is still valid?

[MrBeefy]

20 minutes ago, number6 said:

Please read the contents of my 2nd link.

That particular trademark for "Intellivision Amico" was headed for its 5th and final extension to show use or it would expire.

By abandoning it they are simply indicating they are not confident they can show show use in commerce for this mark by this November.

They did spend a lot on keeping this mark alive prior to this. Contrary to reports, it was years of filings all public at uspto.

 

They have the option I expressed of combining the 2 other live marks, unless someone cares to indicate/prove otherwise.

 

#6

If you look at the Amico mark it is strictly for the design of the word Amico. It is actually weaker than a standard mark because that would allow them to use any design and it protects the word.

 

Notice that their Intv mark is standard meaning they have that and can use any design. So if someone else came out with Amico video games they could just couldn't use the bubble lettering. It's similar to how Amiga couldn't stop them. If they were smart they'd have two Mark's for Amico. One is a basic Latin lettering format and one with the bubble letters.

 

They chose to keep people from using their bubble letters.

[number6]

21 minutes ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

Oh man, imagine if they did that.....

 

Wouldn't That Be Something?™️

 

To be more serious, you can ignore the filings and read the tea leaves to know there's serious problems. I'm not a trademark/copyright lawyer but I do work for a firm that does it. I can tell you from talking to our IP people that trademark filings are very specific and complex to get right and past the USPTO review. And trademark and IP lawyers are $$$$$$. They're easily 4x what I charge as a corporate lawyer and I am NOT cheap. If Amico can't refund their existing orders, they definitely can't afford the attorneys' fees to draft, review, finalize, and file a trademark use extension or proof of use. Even if they had in-house counsel (which I highly doubt, given they slashed employees), it's not something that is inexpensive and easy to do, but is also basic and required to maintain a brand. If they can't do that......

 

If they can't afford the fees to get very, very basic protections on their products (or maintain the ones that are in place), the doomsayers are more right than anyone thinks, if you ask me.

Exactly. So since they did pay fees for years, the intent -was- to use this mark.

btw-After the abandonment of both "Intellivision Prism" and "Intellivision Amico" marks their TM attorney did file extensions for the figurative "Amico" mark and the "Intellivision Together Again" mark, so they are still paying fees.

 

#6

[Cebus Capucinis]

1 minute ago, number6 said:

Exactly. So since they did pay fees for years, the intent -was- to use this mark.

btw-After the abandonment of both "Intellivision Prism" and "Intellivision Amico" marks their TM attorney did file extensions for the figurative "Amico" mark and the "Intellivision Together Again" mark, so they are still paying fees.

 

#6

Hmm. Perhaps that was all they could afford, so they had to strategically pick which ones to keep extending. If they are outside counsel, they're definitely going to demand payment and are unlikely to allow the bill to float (like with some clients).

 

Either way, not a good sign....

[MrBeefy]

15 minutes ago, number6 said:

Exactly. So since they did pay fees for years, the intent -was- to use this mark.

btw-After the abandonment of both "Intellivision Prism" and "Intellivision Amico" marks their TM attorney did file extensions for the figurative "Amico" mark and the "Intellivision Together Again" mark, so they are still paying fees.

 

#6

They only paid for the design mark. They would have been better to do the standard mark as that protects the word and allows them to design any logo. Like how Nike does both a standard and special mark. The special mark keeps me from doing this for my own business.

So theoretically someone could contest making an Amico console. Since they only have a design mark they would be in worses standing than if they had a standard mark.

[roots.genoa]

2 hours ago, Rev said:

If Pat/Ian or Darius Truxton would of said you cant release a console on hope they would of been ripped a new one by former Amico managers.

I really miss CPUWiz. At least the signature in his posts. ?

 

49 minutes ago, Rev said:

The ‘Wouldnt that be something?’ trademark is still valid?

Btw I'm pretty sure I was the first to add the ™️ after that phrase here, but I guess I shouldn't wait too long for my royalties. ?

[Rev]

7 minutes ago, roots.genoa said:

I really miss CPUWiz. At least the signature in his posts. ?

 

Btw I'm pretty sure I was the first to add the ™️ after that phrase here, but I guess I shouldn't wait too long for my royalties. ?

That phrase seems familiar. 

 

 

[Rev]

5 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

I think they are going a new direction of the Intellivision WiiMico.

 

Was this box mock up directly from Intellivision Entertainment?   Anyone know the history?   
 

 

[number6]

41 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

They only paid for the design mark. They would have been better to do the standard mark as that protects the word and allows them to design any logo. Like how Nike does both a standard and special mark. The special mark keeps me from doing this for my own business.

So theoretically someone could contest making an Amico console. Since they only have a design mark they would be in worses standing than if they had a standard mark.

Again, I'm just talking intent here.

Everywhere constant combining of the registered Intellivision mark and the filed for and extended Amico mark

Whether they still intend to brand in this fashion is speculation.

 

#6

[MrBeefy]

39 minutes ago, Rev said:

Was this box mock up directly from Intellivision Entertainment?   Anyone know the history?   

It came from Todd Linticum who is the VP of Product and Commercialization at Intellivision.

[Rev]

19 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

It came from Todd Linticum who is the VP of Product and Commercialization at Intellivision.

Placeholder? Like Tank Battle…

[MrBeefy]

1 minute ago, Rev said:

Placeholder? Like Tank Battle…

I'm sure it was an early mock up. It has some misspellings as well as the spine is formatted wrong (they fixed it in the unboxing video).

 

It's more amateur stuff by using other IPs instead of your own. It isn't like they couldn't have thrown a space ship, adventurer, or bi plane on there. They shouldn't post stuff like that publicly. Don't forget the use of Star Fox story in Moon Patrol.

[Rev]

3 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

I'm sure it was an early mock up. It has some misspellings as well as the spine is formatted wrong (they fixed it in the unboxing video).

 

It's more amateur stuff by using other IPs instead of your own. It isn't like they couldn't have thrown a space ship, adventurer, or bi plane on there. They shouldn't post stuff like that publicly. Don't forget the use of Star Fox story in Moon Patrol.

Maybe Nintendo is a potenial investor!  
 

Nintendo Amico

 

Maybe this thread should be moved to the Nintendo section. 

[Rev]

Nintendo Life picked up the story.

 

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2022/07/trademark-for-intellivision-amico-has-been-abandoned

[+cmart604]

4 hours ago, Rev said:

 

Amico’s origin is very deeply rooted in the nostalgia of the Mattel Intellivision. Thats what we were sold on.
 

Without the Intellivision name attached it may as well be any system. The vast majority of games are cell phone or flash ports. Now if released it wont even have Earthworm Jim, Toe Jam & Earl, and I doubt Dolphin Quest will be on it. 

 

 

So you're saying you think the Atari VCS threads should be in the 2600 forums then? Your logic would dictate that. 

[MrBeefy]

19 minutes ago, Rev said:

Maybe Nintendo is a potenial investor!  
 

Nintendo Amico

 

Maybe this thread should be moved to the Nintendo section. 

Mayne they hope to sell off Amico and that's why they abandoned the combination of Intellivision Amico? ?

8 minutes ago, Rev said:

Nintendo Life picked up the story.

 

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2022/07/trademark-for-intellivision-amico-has-been-abandoned

They really have bigger problems than the combo mark being abandoned. They still don't have FCC certs. Also if they aren't in the process of making them right about now, no one is getting their preorders this year.

[MrBeefy]

1 minute ago, cmart604 said:

So you're saying you think the Atari VCS threads should be in the 2600 forums then? Your logic would dictate that. 

There was one for the longest time there. I would say the big difference at this point is one released and one has yet to release.

[Rev]

1 minute ago, cmart604 said:

So you're saying you think the Atari VCS threads should be in the 2600 forums then? Your logic would dictate that. 

There is only one Intellivision section now, for obvious reasons. 

[+cmart604]

2 minutes ago, Rev said:

There is only one Intellivision section now, for obvious reasons. 

What are that obvious reasons? The fact that it is very unlikely to come out? Then why discuss it here at all? I thought the mods decided since it was clearly a very divisive topic it was moved to its own section then later shut down altogether due to it causing more trouble than it was worth. Not sure why bringing it back here is helpful. I would suggest it has even less to do with the classic Intellivision now than ever before.