Something's wrong when the SNES thread is the second least popular one in here

[Kirk_Johnston]

8 hours ago, OldSchoolRetroGamer said:

Because it's HERE on Atariage where it will actually be noticed sure. 🤷🏼‍♂️

It is indeed.

[MrBeefy]

SNES is probably my favorite console. However, I don't post here much. Mainly due to I think I own most of the nest games on it.

 

It will do some things better or worse than the Genesis or maybe other consoles at the time, but otherwise I think history shows the type of console it was.

 

Now I am surprised that the SNES outsold the 7800. I mean that is just a miracle. 🙊

[Kirk_Johnston]

37 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

SNES is probably my favorite console. However, I don't post here much. Mainly due to I think I own most of the nest games on it.

 

It will do some things better or worse than the Genesis or maybe other consoles at the time, but otherwise I think history shows the type of console it was.

 

Now I am surprised that the SNES outsold the 7800. I mean that is just a miracle. 🙊

Well, if you ever feel like joining in more and posting your thoughts and stuff on those best SNES games, I'm more than happy to read about such things.

[Tanooki]

On 1/9/2023 at 5:22 PM, Gemintronic said:

 

To make matters worse: most companies chose to go the SlowROM (2.68Mhz) route.  I wonder what could have been with a few more dollars spent.

Quite a bit, it was discovered quite a few games that have frame rate issues would have had no slow down problems or utterly minimized it to a you got to look for it to complain level of it at that rate.  Doom on SNES would have nearly doubled its speed had it had it coded one way vs another, a simple line of text from an interview Randy did which would for the PAL release had it often running at full frame for them (50fps) which is nuts.

 

SNES wasn't tapped well by numerous places from just lazy coding, simple error, and tight fisted bean counting wankers going with LoROM boards of all things which perhaps Nintendo should never have supplied as an option.

 

And while the physical number on the SNES CPU was "slow" by that rational, the way it executed operations, tapped into ram, also DMA/HDMA as well in conjunction with the HiROM option for boards could easily make up for that loss in a great many of cases.  It was only when you got into the weeds of going overkill where a SA1 was needed or the FX chip is where that slow processor wasn't enough, but they also supplied a bit more memory among other bits too along side that.  The debate rages on as the console wars of the 16bit era refuses to die for some people.

 

 

THe thing is here kirk largely isn't wrong, he's just blunt and will stand off, get where that's coming from entirely.  And I don't think given he's NOT the aggressor here he should back off when attacks come flying in from people who can't just zip it and walk.  No one is forcing someone to type and be an utter dick, that's a concentrated effort.  And yes this is primarily and founded as an Atari site, over the decade and some it has existed it has spread much further and wider given how few active forums still exist due to shitty anti-social media sites have consumed enough.  People have clustered here because finding hours or days old useful info on reddit, facebook and the rest which they're not designed to do it s a joke.  They're fire and forget posting sites, this like videogamesage.com are not, they stand alone, and more people with more taste gather here who want a better experience.  That means more Nintendo more Sega more NEC more SNK  you name it... deal.  Deal or ignore it.  The attacks are cheap petty and stupid and really not called for.

[MrBeefy]

2 hours ago, Tanooki said:

The debate rages on as the console wars of the 16bit era refuses to die for some people.

 

Really? I thought it was pretty obvious that one company is still making consoles and games. While the other one failed in the console market and struggles to regularly make decent games for the mascot.

 

We all know Nintendo just makes porn while Intellivision and it's Amico is slaughtering it with Running Man games tapping into that 3.2 billion casual market. The SNES totally is a distant second to Intellivision.

[Steven Pendleton]

Actually, the way Kirk has turned this section of the forum into his own private little safe zone and viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with him reminds me of Tommy Tallarico, now that I think about it.

[MrBeefy]

6 hours ago, Steven Pendleton said:

Actually, the way Kirk has turned this section of the forum into his own private little safe zone and viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with him reminds me of Tommy Tallarico, now that I think about it.

You don't have the data.

[Steven Pendleton]

18 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

You don't have the data.

I have the market research. I just haven't shown it to you yet.

 

But in all seriousness, I think we should all probably stop this before the mods get super pissed and give us all a stern talking to. My apologies to Al and the mods for contributing to this shitheap. I think I'll see myself out of this trash fire now so I don't cause Al and the mods any trouble.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Steven Pendleton

[Wayler]

But is it a shitheap or a trash fire? Your market research results are confusing.

 

[Cobra Kai]

 

Why type anything when the gif reigns supreme?

[CapitanClassic]

I expect Kirk’s SNES fanboyism as much as Keatah’s pro-emulation stance. Either would be missed.

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As I experience certain sensory input patterns, my mental pathways become accustomed to them. The inputs eventually are anticipated, and even missed when absent.

 

[MrBeefy]

13 hours ago, Cobra Kai said:

 

Why type anything when the gif reigns supreme?

[newtmonkey]

Just gotta get someone posting a YT video about 17 OBSCURE NES GAMES WITH PURPLE BLOCKS NEXT TO RED BLOCKS, and another posting about Tacos, and the holy trifecta of AA shitposting will be realized!

Edited January 12, 2023 by newtmonkey

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

13 hours ago, CapitanClassic said:

I expect Kirk’s SNES fanboyism as much as Keatah’s pro-emulation stance. Either would be missed.

 

🤔🤷🏼‍♂️

[Keatah]

The fanboyism can go. Pro-Emulator stance stays.

[Cobra Kai]

4 hours ago, newtmonkey said:

Just gotta get someone posting a YT video about 17 OBSCURE NES GAMES WITH PURPLE BLOCKS NEXT TO RED BLOCKS, and another posting about Tacos, and the holy trifecta of AA shitposting will be realized!

Shitposting!! I love that word!

 

[Kirk_Johnston]

If certain people actually think "fanboysim" in the form of someone loving a console and wanting to celebrate and talk about it, and also just not have a bunch of usually ignorant twits trash it without provocation, I think there's a lot of misguided thinking going on around "fanboyism".

 

Maybe some people need to better educate themselves on what it is they're actually objecting to here and indeed what they're not objecting to enough.

 

Just saying, because I see a few people objecting to me simply calling out a bunch of ignorant fanboys trashing SNES is the SNES-specific forum for no good reason and basically out of pure bitterness or whatever. Those people trashing another console for no good reason, and in that console's forum, are the actual fanboys and indeed trolls.

 

But, hey, if certain people are okay with the SNES being trashed in the SNES forum and don't want anyone to speak up about it, that's their choice to make--it's not mine though.

 

And, surely zero of you in here should have any problem with someone saying the SNES deserves a bit more attention in general on this site, especially when they're saying it in the SNES-specific forum, all things being completely and utterly relative.

 

I think there's some very strange and indeed backwards thinking going on in many of these modern forums, I tell you.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Kirk_Johnston

[roots.genoa]

[Tanooki]

45 minutes ago, Kirk_Johnston said:

If certain people actually think "fanboysim" in the form of someone loving a console and wanting to celebrate and talk about it, and also just not have a bunch of usually ignorant twits trash it without provocation, I think there's a lot of misguided thinking going on around "fanboyism".

 

Maybe some people need to better educate themselves on what it is they're actually objecting to here and indeed what they're not objecting to enough.

 

Just saying, because I see a few people objecting to me simply calling out a bunch of ignorant fanboys trashing SNES is the SNES-specific forum for no good reason and basically out of pure bitterness or whatever. Those people trashing another console for no good reason, and in that console's forum, are the actual fanboys and indeed trolls.

 

But, hey, if certain people are okay with the SNES being trashed in the SNES forum and don't want anyone to speak up about it, that's their choice to make--it's not mine though.

 

And, surely zero of you in here should have any problem with someone saying the SNES deserves a bit more attention in general on this site, especially when they're saying it in the SNES-specific forum, all things being completely and utterly relative.

 

I think there's some very strange and indeed backwards thinking going on in many of these modern forums, I tell you.

Err...ummm hate to tell you it, but that basically *IS* the definition of fanboyism at the most basic level (responding to that first line up there.)

 

Yes there needs to be more education, and you're getting trolled right hard here in no doubt in part to how you post in general with your other name on other forums.  As I said you're not wrong, your approach could be better.  Yes people should call out stupid fanboys, that would be yourself included if you take it too far, but the response above since I last posted is taking it too far.  That's why I brought out the console war crybabies bit because it basically stinks of it, even if it's not, because history doesn't just get erased.

 

And yes SNES should get more attention, it was long overdue to have a space given the NES had one as did various Sega systems too, it was a weird hole that finally got plugged.  As long as you keep the SNES ravings and data mining in here it should be fine, as long as you're not pushing lies to get buried for.  It is pretty weak to step in here and take a hot dump in a SNES post, in a SNES section, about the SNES games and hardware as that's the epitome of shitposting.

[Kirk_Johnston]

Can't disagree with that.

 

Just want to point out my air quote of "fanboyism" vs fanboyism as an attempt to indicate a subtle difference, as I think there's perfectly fine examples of fanboys and bad examples of them. And, other than my personal demeanor towards people attacking the SNES out of sheer bitterness or whatever, I certainly don't think I'm one of the bad ones.

 

I mean, just to be clear, there is nothing inherently wrong with being a fanboy by definition: https://www.google.com/search?q=fanboy+definition&oq=fanboy+&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i512j69i57j46i175i199i512j0i512l5j0i271.4736j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

But, there is something wrong with people attacking and deriding another system for no good reason, which I'm not doing. All I'm doing is trying to encourage some more enthusiastic and positive conversations around SNES, giving it due and fair credit, and not just sitting there and taking people attacking the SNES, and all in the SNES-centric forum, which ultimately should be the exact place to find passionate SNES fans imo.

 

But I agree with you.

 

PS. Just realised, the sentence was supposed to read "If certain people actually think "fanboysim" in the form of someone loving a console and wanting to celebrate and talk about it, and also just not have a bunch of usually ignorant twits trash it without provocation, is a problem, I think there's a lot of misguided thinking going on around "fanboyism."

Edited January 12, 2023 by Kirk_Johnston

[Cobra Kai]

If there weren't any fanboys, every topic for every system would be negative and nitpicky. Fanboys usually start upbeat threads, excited for one reason or another about a game or system advantage. Then the negative nellies come in to PROVE YOU WRONG.

 

The Jaguar is my favorite system, I'm a fanboy, I don't need proven wrong.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Cobra Kai

[Kirk_Johnston]

24 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said:

If there weren't any fanboys, every topic for every system would be negative and nitpicky. Fanboys usually start upbeat threads, excited for one reason or another about a game or system advantage. Then the negative nellies come in to PROVE YOU WRONG.

 

The Jaguar is my favorite system, I'm a fanboy, I don't need proven wrong.

Yeah, and it's especially annoying when it's the negative nellies that are actually wrong and just spouting misinformation or pure lies. I mean, I don't actually mind someone not liking SNES or liking some other console more, but that's not the same as them making false claims and spreading those around and then everyone else believing them, to the point that it becomes a false-truth across the Internet that the SNES is this terribly gimped console that can't do this or that, when it can, and no one likes it in modern times because it's so "slow" and rubbish, and that's why no one is developing new games for it and so on, which is what I've been seeing time and time again over the last few years as I tried to learn more about the system I loved from my childhood. And, as much as people hate it, I'm very comfortable destroying those people and their ignorance. Of course, most of them are trolls, so it's just fuel for their fire. But, if nothing else, I'll use that to then fuel more conversation around the SNES-ala this thread. Lol

Edited January 12, 2023 by Kirk_Johnston

[Cobra Kai]

Eh just don't take too serious man. I've been hardened by the Jaguar forum, it's best to laugh it off. It's just video games after all.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Cobra Kai

[Kirk_Johnston]

57 minutes ago, Cobra Kai said:

Eh just don't take too serious man. I've been hardened by the Jaguar forum, it's best to laugh it off. It's just video games after all.

It's not even that. I just want to make sure at least some of the actual facts about the SNES are out there, especially in the places where I'd have hoped they'd be a bit more known. It's kinda sad how often I go into some SNES forum and hear even SNES guys saying things like "Yeah, but Mode 0 can only do 4 colours in the backgrounds, so it looks like a NES and isn't a mode worth using" or "Mode 5 can't really be used in-game, so it's kind of useless", and that kind of thing. And it's even worse when someone proclaims "Blast Processing . . ." and actual SNES fans think there's some truth about the Genesis having a big advantage there, even though "Blast Processing" is really just a way for the Genesis to show some more colours in static images for the most part, yet the SNES can still display better looking images than that as standard in Mode 3, or when someone asserts the SNES is "slow" and some SNES fans agree and mention all the games with slowdown as proof, without understanding that it's not the SNES that is slow there but external SlowROM cartridges artificially gimping it down from 3.58 Mhz to 2.68 Mhz, and that kind of thing. If even the fans in a dedicated forum like this are underselling the console regularly, it's just not a great way to encourage people to start making new games for it in modern times. And, other than general chat about SNES, some brand new games for the system is ultimately what I'm really looking for. So I just want to get back on a fair and correct narrative around this system again, which, for me, starts with calling out the lies and spreading some more of the actual facts. Hopefully that might get a few more people excited about actually working on it. And, yeah, it's just video games, but video games are the thing I love most in this world, with SNES being my favourite console of all time, so, if I'm gonna pick anything to get passionate about, I think SNES is a great place to start.

Edited January 12, 2023 by Kirk_Johnston

[Wayler]

9 hours ago, Kirk_Johnston said:

But, hey, if certain people are okay with the SNES being trashed in the SNES forum and don't want anyone to speak up about it, that's their choice to make--it's not mine though

I'm a bit confused though. Where is this thrashtalking about the SNES happening in this SNES forum? It's not in this thread and the linked thread was from somewhere else. 

 

Just trying to distribute my pent up rahrah-energy correctly to dismember the all the infidels. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by Wayler