koolmoecraig Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Is there any halfway easy way to take jpeg image that I have and convert it to a format that my 1040ST would be able to open and display? Would love to drag and drop it into my Ultrasatan. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chri O. Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Not sure: zView 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zogging Hell Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Depending on the size of the image your ST should be capable of viewing a JPEG. Programs like Imagecopy have been able to do it since the 90s, the main problem is memory. Even 4mb is not enough to display a large JPEG file sadly. I would probably use a modern program on PC/ Mac to reduce the size/ quality of the image and then swap it across. XN View has a extension called N-Convert, which allows you to save in ST formats (it even amazingly has an Atari ST version - although that version hasn't been updated for a long time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggn Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 There are at least 2 PC programs that you can use: https://www.xnview.com/en/ http://grafx2.tk Both have at least export to .PI1 (and maybe .NEO) format, so you get 320x200x16 colours output. If you want something more sophisticated (i.e. more colours on-screen) you could use something like PhotoChrome (http://www.leonik.net/dml/sec_pcs.py). Versions 5 and onwards are command line and work on both PC and ST, while earlier versions worked on the ST directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyprian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 15 hours ago, koolmoecraig said: Is there any halfway easy way to take jpeg image that I have and convert it to a format that my 1040ST would be able to open and display? Would love to drag and drop it into my Ultrasatan. Thanks! there are @AnimaInCorpore online tools where you can convert jpg to a different Atari formats: http://atari.anides.de/ http://tool.anides.de/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolmoecraig Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 hours ago, ggn said: There are at least 2 PC programs that you can use: https://www.xnview.com/en/ http://grafx2.tk Both have at least export to .PI1 (and maybe .NEO) format, so you get 320x200x16 colours output. If you want something more sophisticated (i.e. more colours on-screen) you could use something like PhotoChrome (http://www.leonik.net/dml/sec_pcs.py). Versions 5 and onwards are command line and work on both PC and ST, while earlier versions worked on the ST directly. I downloaded xnview but it doesn't have .PI1 nor .NEO as options. I'm using a Mac. Maybe those options aren't availabe on Mac specifically? I'll try grafx2 next.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolmoecraig Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cyprian said: there are @AnimaInCorpore online tools where you can convert jpg to a different Atari formats: http://atari.anides.de/ http://tool.anides.de/ Awesome, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggn Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, koolmoecraig said: I downloaded xnview but it doesn't have .PI1 nor .NEO as options. I'm using a Mac. Maybe those options aren't availabe on Mac specifically? Forgot to say: There is a setting that you have to enable to be able to save in all formats. But anyway, Maybe @AnimaInCorpore's tools suit your needs better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyprian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, ggn said: Forgot to say: There is a setting that you have to enable to be able to save in all formats. How to do that? I'm also interested how to enable Pi1/2/3 in XnView. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oky2000 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Depends what pixel art packages you have. If you have Deluxe Paint for the ST you can resize and convert them to 320x200 16 colour images and save them to IFF on things like Photoshop and Paintshop Pro etc. I would let a modern PC package convert them to 16 colours myself personally. Best I have seen is a JAVA based app called HAMconvert which will do all sorts of image types for different machines and save them to IFF. It does a better job than even Photoshop 8.0 actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolmoecraig Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 Well, I made a bunch of .PI1 files in that online drag and drop one. Now I am having trouble getting them to show on my ST! I'm using "Pick-a-pic" and it displays the image but then blocks the image with a prompt asking me if I want to view more. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyprian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, koolmoecraig said: Well, I made a bunch of .PI1 files in that online drag and drop one. Now I am having trouble getting them to show on my ST! I'm using "Pick-a-pic" and it displays the image but then blocks the image with a prompt asking me if I want to view more. lol you can check your PI1/2/3 files on my website, just drag'n'drop them: http://260ste.atari.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolmoecraig Posted November 20, 2022 Author Share Posted November 20, 2022 Thanks but what I'm trying to do is to get them to display on my ST. What is the standard image viewer to us on an ST to simply open pics and look thru them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyprian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, koolmoecraig said: Thanks but what I'm trying to do is to get them to display on my ST. yep, but that tool allows you to verify easily whether they were converted correctly 31 minutes ago, koolmoecraig said: What is the standard image viewer to us on an ST to simply open pics and look thru them? e.g. Gem-View https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/768/gem-view more you can find there: https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMaddog Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 There's also a ST program called Speed of Light that lets you view JPEGs using flickering & dithering techniques. That's good if you just want to view a picture by double clicking it on the desktop. I used that to look at the GIFs & JPEGs I downloaded off the 90's internet in full color, and also for conversion to other ST formats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zogging Hell Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 hours ago, koolmoecraig said: I downloaded xnview but it doesn't have .PI1 nor .NEO as options. I'm using a Mac. Maybe those options aren't availabe on Mac specifically? I'll try grafx2 next.. You need to use the N-Convert program from the same site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggn Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 15 hours ago, Cyprian said: How to do that? I'm also interested how to enable Pi1/2/3 in XnView. Tools->Settings->General->Show all graphic formats, works for both XnView and XnView MP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyprian Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 ok, it works. I've checked the latest XnView and I see that it still doesn't save the STE 12bit color palette and truncate it to 9bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 If you want to display the pics on the ST in as many colors as possible, look at Photochrome, it can render pics with thousands of colors and looks quite nice, you will have to convert the images to a format photochrome supports first, like GIF or TGA and a few others. Many PC tools can save in those formats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggn Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 20 hours ago, Cyprian said: ok, it works. I've checked the latest XnView and I see that it still doesn't save the STE 12bit color palette and truncate it to 9bit. True, but most palette downsampling programs are quite bad. PhotoChrome does a very good job at this. If you use other programs (Paint Shop Pro 7/8, XnView, Grafx) it's always a good idea to touch the palette up by hand. Or, even better, have a graphics artist do this :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikro Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) If you have some experience with compiling console apps on Mac, you can try my https://github.com/mikrosk/uconvert. It supports plethora of formats and contains a viewer, too. And of course, there's dithering options, export to STE palette etc. You can get pretty decent results with it. Edited November 23, 2022 by mikro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 On 11/20/2022 at 12:12 PM, MrMaddog said: There's also a ST program called Speed of Light that lets you view JPEGs using flickering & dithering techniques. That's good if you just want to view a picture by double clicking it on the desktop. I used that to look at the GIFs & JPEGs I downloaded off the 90's internet in full color, and also for conversion to other ST formats. Is there a public key for this? The version I have will only allow 4 file accesses before you are forced to exit and restart it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 I am using this site (http://atari.anides.de/) to convert an image to Atari ST formats. It looks like I can save the picture as a PI1 file. Is there any way, instead, to save it as something self-executable? I have a GOEX and if I could save the image as a disk image that I could just run on the ST, that would be great. If not, what program loads a PI1 file, Degas? It's been decades since I've actually run anything other than a game. I don't know how to get the PI1 file from my PC onto a disk image on the SD card for the Goex. Any help would be appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggn Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 13 hours ago, IndyJones1023 said: I am using this site (http://atari.anides.de/) to convert an image to Atari ST formats. It looks like I can save the picture as a PI1 file. Is there any way, instead, to save it as something self-executable? I have a GOEX and if I could save the image as a disk image that I could just run on the ST, that would be great. If not, what program loads a PI1 file, Degas? It's been decades since I've actually run anything other than a game. I don't know how to get the PI1 file from my PC onto a disk image on the SD card for the Goex. Any help would be appreciated! You can use one of the many slideshow programs available. https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/image/ under "slideshow" has quite a few different programs for you. The "classic" program people used is https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/10914/degas-elite-picture-show but I'm sure there are much fancier ones there. Just have a look and find the one you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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