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On 2/17/2023 at 3:40 AM, skaredmask said:

 Shoot I'm just happy that they are 4x3 or 3x5 LCD screens... those are hard enough to find..

On 2/18/2023 at 5:02 PM, Keatah said:

On the occasional occasion you will find NOS NIB 4:3 displays on ebay at a reasonable cost. IMHO I'd stock up on what's in good condition and whatever can be found still new. I'm a sucker for 1600x1200 (UXGA). Seems to be the highest resolution in widespread usage before 16:9 and HD took over. With 1280x1024 being a runner-up.

23 hours ago, Tanooki said:

It's kind of why I wish I could get a 19.5" LCD in there square but the empty space would be awful, so the other choice would be a larger somewhat rectangle LCD, then using black portrait matte cut a bezel and mount that to keep it looking good would be the other choice.

I guess if you are looking for NOS NIB 4:3 displays that might be tricky, but finding used 4:3 LCD displays (19" or 20") I've never had an issue finding. Like I stated in an earlier post I find about 2 of them a month just going into second hand shops. I think the most I ever spend on a 20" 4:3 LCD display was $15.00. That was just last year. It has a VGA and DVI input. Last time I check there are boards you can buy the will go from arcade to VGA. I'm just putting that out there.

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I can find a 19.5" 4:3 LCD easily enough too, hell I can find them near the 25" level too with some searching.  The problem is, once you go over 20 the price jumps from like the low 100s if that(used) to $1000+ for some shitty reason.  The only thing I could gather is they're not much made, usually used for corporate displays in puffed up offices and other showy stuff so they charge far more as corporate suit budgets wouldn't bat an eye at it.  But me who doesn't have a money tree dropping bells like rain in Animal Crossing can't just do that or I would have years ago.

 

My cabinet is the larger 2 slot MVS it is made and the chassis bolted in section is designed for a 25" CRT, so popping a 20 in there would leave a huge gaping hole in the front of my cabinet which is why I never bothered.

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I've got three A1up cabinets (Asteroids, Out Run, and Attack from Mars pinball) and a generic MAME cabinet kit (that I customized into a Joust cab, and it currently has a Steam Deck as its brains). The generic MAME cab is definitely a much higher build quality than the A1ups, but the A1ups are not bad. In fact, the pinball cabinet is so nicely built and thoughtfully designed that I was surprised. It's a nice introduction to the low-end of virtual pinball cabinets and it has some really good design elements that are specifically for people who want easy access to the interior for various modifications. Having said that, I did find all of them either used or at steep discounts so I haven't been paying full price for them. I definitely love the (mostly) accurate artwork on the A1up cabinets - it was quite a big project to create custom artwork for the MAME cabinet, even with a relatively simple side-panel design like Joust. And having a small number of curated games on each cabinet is a good way to go when you have guests who aren't necessarily familiar with MAME and who might get paralysis from having too many choices. The A1ups are fun to tinker on if you want to upgrade them - a good way to dip your toes into modding if you are interested but don't know much yet. It's pretty easy to learn how to swap out buttons and joysticks. And over the years they've added some good quality of life improvements - for example, it's easy to attach better speakers on the newer cabinets because they just have 1/8" jacks now. The cabinet designs have been getting more unique and similar to the original cabinets. Their size and weight is ideal if you want to be able to move them around occasionally without recruiting friends/neighbors to struggle with a 200+ lb. cabinet. I put mine on casters so I can roll them out to access the back panels when I need to. So all in all I've had a lot of fun with mine. I'll probably get a couple more in the next few years.

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I heard those MVS cabinets are pretty poorly designed in general. I don't know because I've never seen one in an arcade since everyone uses Sega and Taito cabinets since those are way better.

 

What I can tell you is that the Astro and New Astro are actually pretty easy to work on/with; they are much easier than I thought it would be, aside from rotating the monitor, which is quite heavy and you have to partially disassemble the cabinet to do it.

 

Other than that, they are very easy to work with. You have your contrast, brightness, color gain, and size and position for both axes right there inside the control panel. I took the locks out of the control panel so I don't need the key to open it, so I can swap PCBs and reconfigure colors and positioning for each game effortlessly, and that big 29 inch monitor is beautiful. I wish I knew how to connect my PC, Mega Drive, Saturn, Dreamcast, or PS4 to the thing. If I could get my PS4 in there I'd just go buy a ton of games on Arcade Archives, which has better and more accurate emulation than MAME, and leave it in there as a dedicated PS4 ACA cabinet.

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  My daughter wants to have an arcade party for her 10th birthday party since i gotten the arcade 1up's. I will probably have a new arcade 1up cab before than..  I only spent $1.2K on everything  so far... yes there are better options like I've said or can deny.. However what I've always been looking for is easy of use and functionality with out big $$ behind it.. Also I want my cabs to look the part and function the part.. yes there is always better but for the price I payed for these... but is the better than having 1 multi-cab?.. not mocking them one bit... but if you want the cream of the crop you have to pay for it. I'm looking for something that works and feels like what I remember and arcade 1up dose this with out being overly $$...  the most I've spent on any of my emulator machines is the MVXSX that was $500.00 and has 50 games on it stock... I got 140ish games on mine through modding.,,

 

 

  I wanted something that is easier pick up and go with out configuring or messing around with settings  ECT and Arcade 1up dose deliver on this..yes there is something always better in the ocean YES.... but for what they are and price I think they are the best bang for the buck minus the MVSX.. I don't want or need a full size arcade without  ((best parts)) I want stuff to work and  is durable  enough for everyday use and that's my cabs get in there environment  there in.. yes $1000 + cab will it always be better than arcade1 up yes.... but will there always be a to absolute night and day difference.. NO!!.... I want something for everyone at a Price I can afforded not 1 cab for big $$ I want people to be able to play these at once.. and I think That's what arcade 1up offers,,,

 

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2 hours ago, skaredmask said:

yes $1000 + cab will it always be better than arcade1 up yes.... but will there always be a to absolute night and day difference.. NO!!.... I want something for everyone at a Price I can afforded not 1 cab for big $$ I want people to be able to play these at once.. and I think That's what arcade 1up offers,,,

Yes makes sense. And as long as they fit your lifestyle that's great. Having multiple games per cab is a huge plus. I just can't see having one 300lb unit (with 40 year old parts) for just one game. 

 

Let the purists be purists chasing after ever last nut and screw and period-correct chip.. Ever since I stopped that nonsense my enjoyment of the hobby increased by about a billion percent. So if I was to ever want a cab Arcade 1up or similar would be my choice. If it was to be a professionally constructed MAME cab it'd have to support (my) less than 200 all-time-favorite games and not have 19,248 to pick from.

 

It's ok that the A1up cabs are not perfect replicas of the ones from 40 years ago. Who's to say which is right or wrong?

 

The only thing I would want would be authentic controls. Spinner for Spinner games, Tank sticks for Tank games, and so on and so forth. I would also want a modern-day high-contrast LCD of some sort. No. More. CRT. Done with those years ago!

 

I currently get all that with a modular MAME (no cab) setup. At the cost of having to have tweaked nearly each game by hand - which has given me a sense of building a special collection over the years. Adding a couple of games per year is certainly not demanding or time-consuming with setting stuff up.

 

So yes whatever works.

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If I do have the means and the room for these types of arcade cabinets, I'd get the Legends Arcade Ultimate as a main cab since I can add games to it and use a generalized control panel (two joysticks, 8 buttons each side and a trackball) and then get the Arcade 1UPs that have the unique controls like driving wheels or Star Wars flight yokes.

 

But like Keetah, me having a MAME setup on my gaming PC is more economical although I hope to be able to stream said games to a device in my bedroom that uses a full size arcade fightstick.

 

When I compare the Arcade 1UPs to Ikea furniture (easy to buy & build), it's not always a bad thing... :)

 

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2 hours ago, Tanooki said:

You’re claiming the old SNK neo geo cabinets are poor?  Hardly. They’re pretty thick and reinforced. Largely hollow since the pcb is on a flat board higher up under the screen to have easy access to swap games. They’re a mix of thick wood and metal in various spots to last. 

.. No one said that... or claimed that... We did compare them on materials and construction and found some similarity between cabs..

 

 However comparing Arcade cabs to Arcade 1up's wasn't the point of this thread. The point was when is good enough is good enough? I do believe that arcade 1ups while they are flawed in spots... are great options for people and shouldn't be easily dismissed as an arcade alternative. They're durability for every day use shouldn't be overlooked by a real Arcade cab. They're weight and design are not a negative aspect's as this allows them to be moved around a lot easier than a real cab. I think it's time to stop looking for what isn't there and what is there and let some of there merits show through for what they accurately accomplished... a new alternative for someone who wants the Arcade experience with out the Cost and size of a full cab.. 

 

 One of my friends moved and had one of the most beautiful Virtual racing cabs I've ever seen.. He offered it to me for so dam cheap like $200 but there was no way for me to move it.. 500+pounds I believe.... He ended up just leaving at the house for the next resident..  I think I was 35 and he was 45 and not young bucks anymore at that point... Right now I'm 40 years old pushing 41 one soon.. I don't want to be moving 300+pound arcade cabs up and down stairs and such anymore.. Arcade 1 up's even with there raisers.. are around 75 pounds for a 1 1/3rd scale cabinet (60ish pounds with out raisers) are not flimsy or weak.. light yes.. but not flimsy

 

 If you add 60+60+60 (pounds) would make it a full size cab it would weigh about 180+ pounds because riser wouldn't be needed so were say 200+ pounds and only supports a LCD that might weigh about 5 to 10 pounds.. You'll be looking at a real cabinet weight.. and build quality... with that said there no reason to think that these are just going to fall apart overnight or handle abuse like a real cab..

 

 

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Yes, the old MVS cabs are apparently pretty terrible compared to other companies' cabinets; SNK's priority was to make everything as cheap as possible, and it apparently shows in the build quality of their cabinets.

 

I don't know about the MVSX. That thing is apparently pretty good, but it's way too expensive to justify when you can buy a bunch of Neo Geo games on Arcade Archives. Way too many fighting games on it, too.

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I'm sorry if I missed an answer to this, but does any one have this specific Arcade1up Pac-man machine and, if so, can you tell me if it has dip switches for the games?

 

https://www.costco.com/arcade1up-pac-man-xl-arcade-machine-14-games-in-1.product.4000194397.html

 

Many of Q&A questions and answers under the listing for this unit on Arcade 1up's website seem to refer to different models.

 

 

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2 hours ago, hepcat said:

I'm sorry if I missed an answer to this, but does any one have this specific Arcade1up Pac-man machine and, if so, can you tell me if it has dip switches for the games?

 

https://www.costco.com/arcade1up-pac-man-xl-arcade-machine-14-games-in-1.product.4000194397.html

 

Many of Q&A questions and answers under the listing for this unit on Arcade 1up's website seem to refer to different models.

 

 

Yes it does. Link to where the settings are shown in the video below:

 

 

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On 2/7/2023 at 2:10 AM, skaredmask said:

  I bought an Arcade 1 up last year. Ms. Pac-man 40th antislavery 10 In one.$125. I recently bought a tempest Atari legacy collection one for $190. than bought an MVSX 50 in one for $500..  and got one still coming in the mail for $450..

 

 I recently sold All my PS1/PS2/PS3/Xbox/Xbox 360/Wii/Wii-U games and systems because I really like 1up's for what they are and my hole family can easily pick up and play.. my Daughter 10, loves playing the MVSX (metal slug). my wife loves the Ms. Pac-Man cab and I usually play the the Atari one.

 

  I don't understand all the hate they receive.. honestly I know there not 100% accurate but there not supposed to be but for the price and everything giving there not bad at all.. I understand  some of the hate they revive but not to the point that people just simple boycott them and hate them I find is a injustice.. yeah everything could be better but that's with everything..  the question i think is when is something good enough for you? I've seen my mom who docent play video games play the arcade 1ups.

 

  When I'm on youtube and even some forms all I see is the hate for these machines.. I find most of it is unjustified because some people might of found some BBD (bigger better deal) somewhere else and that great!! to me Arcade 1 up isn't perfect but for what they are and everthing they seem to suit my life better than most things.. I just don't under stand all the Hate and disgust over them.. Yes the MVSX dose have better over all quilty than the arcade 1 ups.. but it's only one company and doesn't have anything else in it's library unless modded.

 

Yeah, I am not particularly a fan of them, but I always try to be really careful about what I say publicly about them. The reason being that I really appreciate that this company has invested in reproducing arcade machines as a complete package, and furthermore, that they continue to support bringing back new games. So I WANT them to succeed.

 

All of that said, if I'm going to take up space in my house for an arcade machine, it's going to be an actual arcade machine (I have four in the house). So the Arcade 1Up cabinet just doesn't fit what I'm looking for. Again though... I totally support them and there are a lot of people who are not purist about these things like me, and just want to be able to relive some of the excitement of an arcade (or experience it for the first time), and they're doing a great job of mass-producing machines for the larger market.

 

Also... I can't help but wonder that aside from the cabinet itself... these $125 kits are basically perfect for a real cabinet. It comes with a large monitor, a JAMMA compatible PCM, controllers, and everything. If you have a totally trashed arcade machine with a busted CRT (bad flyback) and a toasted PCM... well... upgrade it with a 1Up board and contents.

 

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Rant incoming about the Arcade 1up Pac-man XL.

 

I wanted to play this machine before buying it. It finally showed up on display at my local Costco and hoo-boy am I glad I held off.

 

My test was with original Pac-man. I scored about 90K and made it to the 2nd galaxian before quitting. I used regular mode, NOT the fast version.

 

Let me start with the good stuff, because this machine does have some things going for it.

 

1. The screen is pretty good. Going from 17 to 19 inches makes a big difference. I don’t know the dimensions of the original arcade screen, but it seemed comparable.

 

2. The joystick was actually a bit better than I expected. I prefer a joystick with a shorter throw, but it was decent. I’m not sure if it’s a 4 way or 8 way, but other than the lag (which I’ll get to), Pac-man went where I wanted him to go. I was able to use my patterns without getting thrown off on levels 5-9.

 

3. Sound. Good. It sounded like Pac-man with no crackling or studdering. Also, the volume was only 1/3 of max and I could still hear it fine in the middle of a crowded store.

 

4. Emulation. Good. Except for what I mention below, it was the real Pac-man as far as I can tell.

 

Now for the bad. Shorter list, but both of these are deal breakers.

 

1. Lag. The lag was just awful. I’m guessing it was about a quarter of a second. This is not the kind of thing normies are likely to notice, but if you’re trying to play Pac-man at an intermediate level or higher, it makes the game almost unplayable. I probably only got as far as I did because I was using patterns and inputting directions well in advance. But if you blow a pattern on a key board, the input lag present here will make it much, much harder to survive.

I have heard that when emulation is involved, some lag is inevitable. I don’t have the technical knowledge to confirm or refute that claim. However, over the past 25 years I have played Mame Pac-man on dozens of computers with all kinds of screens, using keyboards and multiple different joysticks. In all that time I have never encountered lag anywhere near as bad as what I experienced tonight on this machine.

 

2. Performance. Astonishingly bad for what is supposed to be the best machine Arcade 1up has yet produced. Pac-man and the ghosts studder and skip as they move as if the game is constantly dropping frames. I have a Miyoo Mini (purchased for $60) that plays arcade games from well into the 90’s perfectly. Does Arcade 1up seriously expect us to believe that in 2023 they can’t put a computer in their machines capable of running Pac-man smoothly?

 

Other stuff, specifically build quality. The machine rocked back and forth at the base and shook during what I would consider normal play. However, the machine was sitting on an uneven pallet in a store and it may have been hastily put together by employees who obviously weren’t prepping it for use in their own homes. I spoke to a guy who was also checking the machine out who told me he has carefully assembled multiple Arcade 1up machines and they didn’t shake like this one did. This is a rant, however I’m still trying to be fair here and I don’t want to blame Arcade 1up for build issues that probably aren’t their fault.

 

Overall, this is a machine I might be willing to pay $200 for. I’ll give it a 4 out of 10 instead of 3 since they FINALLY added dip switches.

 

Sorry I can’t be as forgiving as some of the people in this thread, not when Arcade 1up is asking $600 for this machine.

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Unless all of the games on the cabinet are 4-way games, they would have had to have used an 8-way joystick. That, combined with the longer throw distance than you're used to, would contribute to a feeling of slower responsiveness in addition to any actual input lag due to other factors like the encoder board and the display. I'm not even an intermediate-level player of Pac-Man but I've had frustrating experiences trying to play it with an 8-way stick. The frame-skipping you mention makes me suspect that the display unit was possibly overheating and the processor was doing some kind of thermal throttling... and possibly damaged in assembly.

 

In any case, you can confidently wait for a lower price in the next couple of years because Pac-Man is a cabinet that they'll always re-release. Personally I would be getting one with the intention to, at some point, replace the CPU and put in my own one.

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Here, let me help you with some stuff.

 

On 11/17/2023 at 12:03 PM, hepcat said:

I have heard that when emulation is involved, some lag is inevitable.

You can use runahead to reduce input lag; in theory, you can have lower input lag with runahead on an emulator than you can on a real PCB on a CRT. Runahead can introduce glitching of various kinds, however, and I have heard that setting it incorrectly can do some really weird stuff.

 

M2 uses an optional input latency reduction for their ShotTriggers program, and this is most likely runahead. With the input latency reduction enabled, sometimes you get stuff like a shot coming out and then disappearing if you press the shot button for a very short duration of frames, but it's mostly good and there is basically no advantage to turning it off at all.

 

On 11/17/2023 at 12:03 PM, hepcat said:

Pac-man and the ghosts studder and skip as they move as if the game is constantly dropping frames.

What is the native refresh rate of the game as it runs in normal gameplay on the PCB, what is it actually running at here, and what is the refresh rate of the monitor? NTSC standard refresh rate is approximately 59.94Hz, but many arcade games and home consoles released prior to somewhere around the Saturn run at refresh rates that differ from this. Sometimes companies use the original PCB refresh rates, and in this case using a 59.94Hz monitor that does not have freesynch/VRR/whatever can cause stuttering, and this is possibly what happened in this case.

 

Sometimes they just match it to 59.94Hz to get a smooth presentation, but for older games where game logic is dictated by the framerate, this will cause the game to run faster or more slowly than intended; this is part of why R-Types on the PS1 is more difficult than the arcade versions, as the games quite literally run about 10% faster on PS1 than the original designers intended.

 

Sometimes the user is given the choice of using either the original refresh rate or 59.94Hz; ACA Thunder Dragon 2 does this, for example, but I don't think it's too common.

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On 11/16/2023 at 10:03 PM, hepcat said:

1. Lag. The lag was just awful. I’m guessing it was about a quarter of a second. This is not the kind of thing normies are likely to notice, but if you’re trying to play Pac-man at an intermediate level or higher, it makes the game almost unplayable. I probably only got as far as I did because I was using patterns and inputting directions well in advance. But if you blow a pattern on a key board, the input lag present here will make it much, much harder to survive.

I have heard that when emulation is involved, some lag is inevitable. I don’t have the technical knowledge to confirm or refute that claim. However, over the past 25 years I have played Mame Pac-man on dozens of computers with all kinds of screens, using keyboards and multiple different joysticks. In all that time I have never encountered lag anywhere near as bad as what I experienced tonight on this machine.

 

2. Performance. Astonishingly bad for what is supposed to be the best machine Arcade 1up has yet produced. Pac-man and the ghosts studder and skip as they move as if the game is constantly dropping frames. I have a Miyoo Mini (purchased for $60) that plays arcade games from well into the 90’s perfectly. Does Arcade 1up seriously expect us to believe that in 2023 they can’t put a computer in their machines capable of running Pac-man smoothly?

 

That's bad... I'd definitely expect a modern version of the system to at least have the programming / game-play done well. I can certainly understand how most people wouldn't want a massive arcade cabinet, but I would expect gameplay to be decent at least. I'd always thought that maybe the 1Ups would be a nice system to use the internals to restore (resto-mod) an actual arcade cabinet with...

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On 11/16/2023 at 9:03 PM, hepcat said:

Rant incoming about the Arcade 1up Pac-man XL.

 

Now for the bad. Shorter list, but both of these are deal breakers.

 

1. Lag. The lag was just awful. I’m guessing it was about a quarter of a second. This is not the kind of thing normies are likely to notice, but if you’re trying to play Pac-man at an intermediate level or higher, it makes the game almost unplayable. I probably only got as far as I did because I was using patterns and inputting directions well in advance. But if you blow a pattern on a key board, the input lag present here will make it much, much harder to survive.

I have heard that when emulation is involved, some lag is inevitable. I don’t have the technical knowledge to confirm or refute that claim. However, over the past 25 years I have played Mame Pac-man on dozens of computers with all kinds of screens, using keyboards and multiple different joysticks. In all that time I have never encountered lag anywhere near as bad as what I experienced tonight on this machine.

 

2. Performance. Astonishingly bad for what is supposed to be the best machine Arcade 1up has yet produced. Pac-man and the ghosts studder and skip as they move as if the game is constantly dropping frames. I have a Miyoo Mini (purchased for $60) that plays arcade games from well into the 90’s perfectly. Does Arcade 1up seriously expect us to believe that in 2023 they can’t put a computer in their machines capable of running Pac-man smoothly?

 

Other stuff, specifically build quality. The machine rocked back and forth at the base and shook during what I would consider normal play. However, the machine was sitting on an uneven pallet in a store and it may have been hastily put together by employees who obviously weren’t prepping it for use in their own homes. I spoke to a guy who was also checking the machine out who told me he has carefully assembled multiple Arcade 1up machines and they didn’t shake like this one did. This is a rant, however I’m still trying to be fair here and I don’t want to blame Arcade 1up for build issues that probably aren’t their fault.

 

Overall, this is a machine I might be willing to pay $200 for. I’ll give it a 4 out of 10 instead of 3 since they FINALLY added dip switches.

 

Sorry I can’t be as forgiving as some of the people in this thread, not when Arcade 1up is asking $600 for this machine.

i'm surprised to hear this.

 

i would have bought it anyways at some point.

 

i've had the original pac-man gen 1, a couple of partycades, and the class of 81 also.

 

i've hit the killscreen on every single version of it, and never had a lag issue.

 

also hit the killscreen on pac-man plus. if i ever get to try this version or the deluxe ones

i will see.

 

but i'd be surprised if there was any lag or issues. very puzzling.

 

 

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A MiSTer or real hardware will always be way better for enthusiasts, which are typically the people in the market for arcade cabinets. For the niche of people who are more causal but want a cab they're serviceable and honestly some of the sale prices are pretty damn appealing. Online forums like this will almost always be enthusiasts though (myself included) and there's little value in products like this for that market.

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