AtariSociety Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 My TT030 is fairly stock, just 2MB of ST Ram. It has no TT Ram at all. From what I see on eBay, TT Ram expansion cards to easily install (plug in they appear) ram can be had. These cards appear to hold 4MB or 16MB of TT Ram. I see some advertised with Page ram while other faster Nibble ram. Guessing a 16MB model with 16MB of nibble ram will be a good option, unless you want to explore 3rd part TT Ram upgrades, if they are still out there. See some STorm upgrade but don't see who sells these and if soldering is involved. Am I right on the basic TT Ram upgrade part? Now for ST Ram, how does that work? I don't see mention of any plug in expansions. How does one then upgrade the ST Ram. I hear the #s 4MB, 8MB and max 10MB thrown around in some posts. Are all these ST ram upgrades more involved in doing and buying? Thanks TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zogging Hell Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Not sure about the later options as I had original Atari parts to upgrade the TT. It's been a while since I had my TT on the desk but you can have a look at this page https://web.archive.org/web/20110219144319/http://mcp.selfip.com/download/ST-R_UP1.HTM The ST Ram came on a similar daughter board to the TT Ram. I you are handy with a soldering iron you can upgrade the memory on the 2mb one. There was also some info on memory upgrades on the TT on my now defunct webpage https://web.archive.org/web/20190615050514/http://www.zhell.co.uk/ttpage.html it is out of date and the pictures are.. bad (it was written in the early noughties in my defence and the pictures were scanned from film if I remember right! ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickster Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Best Electronics still has ST ram upgrades for the TT. It is a plug in board. You are correct on the TT side of things for Ram upgrades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariSociety Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 (edited) 24 minutes ago, mickster said: Best Electronics still has ST ram upgrades for the TT. It is a plug in board. You are correct on the TT side of things for Ram upgrades. **update... a quick perusal of Best website shows only TT Ram options. Seems the ST ram options are glazing over my eyes. I can't find any yet** So the Best upgrade is plug in board that adds on top of the 2MB that I already have? I will peruse their website and see if I can find something. Thanks TJ Edited March 21 by AtariSociety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariSociety Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 28 minutes ago, Zogging Hell said: Not sure about the later options as I had original Atari parts to upgrade the TT. It's been a while since I had my TT on the desk but you can have a look at this page https://web.archive.org/web/20110219144319/http://mcp.selfip.com/download/ST-R_UP1.HTM The ST Ram came on a similar daughter board to the TT Ram. I you are handy with a soldering iron you can upgrade the memory on the 2mb one. There was also some info on memory upgrades on the TT on my now defunct webpage https://web.archive.org/web/20190615050514/http://www.zhell.co.uk/ttpage.html it is out of date and the pictures are.. bad (it was written in the early noughties in my defence and the pictures were scanned from film if I remember right! ) Thanks for the links! TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickster Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 16 minutes ago, AtariSociety said: **update... a quick perusal of Best website shows only TT Ram options. Seems the ST ram options are glazing over my eyes. I can't find any yet** So the Best upgrade is plug in board that adds on top of the 2MB that I already have? I will peruse their website and see if I can find something. Thanks TJ Its on page 33 of the catalog. They have it, because I bought one about 3 months ago. The 8 meg is sold out, the 2 meg upgrade part is CB102137 Yes, it is a plug in board that will double your amount of ST Ram. 16 minutes ago, AtariSociety said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariSociety Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 (edited) 28 minutes ago, mickster said: Its on page 33 of the catalog. They have it, because I bought one about 3 months ago. The 8 meg is sold out, the 2 meg upgrade part is CB102137 Yes, it is a plug in board that will double your amount of ST Ram. Thanks. I emailed them to see if they still offer one for sale. TJ Edited March 21 by AtariSociety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarkdluG Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) As you probably already figured out there is 2 or 8 Mb ST ram upgrades for the TT. You always have 2Mb soldered in on the motherboard from factory. So you will have 4Mb or 10Mb when you have upgrade it. Thunder, Storm, Lightning and Speedy can be purchase if you message Matthias directly at thunderstorm@tuxie.de. Storm is the board for TT ram and you can equip it with 128Mb max. No soldering is required for Storm to work. Edited March 22 by snarkdluG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariSociety Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, snarkdluG said: As you probably already figured out there is 2 or 8 Mb ST ram upgrades for the TT. You always have 2Mb soldered in on the motherboard from factory. So you will have 4Mb or 10Mb when you have upgrade it. Thunder, Storm, Lightning and Speedy can be purchase if you message Matthias directly at thunderstorm@tuxie.de. Storm is the board for TT ram and you can equip it with 128Mb max. No soldering is required for Storm to work. I take it there is only really ONE ram upgrade for the ST side of things? That TT upgrades like the Storm are only able to affect and help with memory stuff for apps that take advantage of the TT ram side of things, or hardware that does as well. As much as buying a 8MB ST option, wonder if the 2MB making 4MB total is fine for most all situations. I have never had a ST above 2MB as of yet. haha TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickster Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 9 minutes ago, AtariSociety said: I take it there is only really ONE ram upgrade for the ST side of things? That TT upgrades like the Storm are only able to affect and help with memory stuff for apps that take advantage of the TT ram side of things, or hardware that does as well. As much as buying a 8MB ST option, wonder if the 2MB making 4MB total is fine for most all situations. I have never had a ST above 2MB as of yet. haha TJ yep that is correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariSociety Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 On 3/22/2023 at 7:25 AM, snarkdluG said: As you probably already figured out there is 2 or 8 Mb ST ram upgrades for the TT. You always have 2Mb soldered in on the motherboard from factory. So you will have 4Mb or 10Mb when you have upgrade it. Thunder, Storm, Lightning and Speedy can be purchase if you message Matthias directly at thunderstorm@tuxie.de. Storm is the board for TT ram and you can equip it with 128Mb max. No soldering is required for Storm to work. I have emailed them to check on prices. Thanks, TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMotorola Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/22/2023 at 8:25 AM, snarkdluG said: Storm is the board for TT ram and you can equip it with 128Mb max. No soldering is required for Storm to work. Storm can handle up to TWO slots of 128Mb RAM for a total of 256Mb. The board does not take advantage of EDO above 60NS so don't bother with the more expensive 70NS or faster RAM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarkdluG Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 44 minutes ago, MasterMotorola said: Storm can handle up to TWO slots of 128Mb RAM for a total of 256Mb. The board does not take advantage of EDO above 60NS so don't bother with the more expensive 70NS or faster RAM. Yes, that is correct. Good that you pointed it out. Just checked here: https://wiki.newtosworld.de/index.php?title=Storm_-_English_Version. I don't know if I remembered it wrong or just read very fast but I was to lazy to check in the TT so I just googled. I have two 128Mb EDO 60ns in my STorm. 70ns is slower. Did you mean 50ns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800_Rocks Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 What is different about ST vs TT RAM? Is one for the OS vs User or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikro Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) ST RAM in the TT is quite interesting. It contrary to Falcon, it is way harder to extend because it is a relatively complex PCB (counting 2, 4 and 8 MB). On the other hand, there is always 2 MB present, what is nice. In short, 4 MB ST RAM is enough in 99% cases because, well, for the reasons above nobody dared to use even more than 2 MB. Plus there isn't many video / digital sound applications to start with (video and audio buffers must be placed in ST RAM). I have 10 MB ST RAM in my TT purely for feeling good, there isn't any practical reason for it. In theory, you can have like 2000x2000 image to be opened on a plain TT (i.e. no graphics card) where you could reach the 4 MB limit but in reality, you'd think twice before opening such a JPEG anyway. It is much better to invest into a good TT RAM card (i.e. the Storm) because every application which is able to run on the TT will take advantage of it; that also applies to both MagiC and FreeMiNT as well as other multitasking systems. Those original Atari TT RAM cards are really laughable - low capacity, terrible access speed and sold at ridiculous prices. Edited March 31 by mikro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjlazer Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Isn't the ST ram the legacy ram for 16-bit graphics and sound and TT ram for 32-bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikro Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 16 minutes ago, tjlazer said: Isn't the ST ram the legacy ram for 16-bit graphics and sound and TT ram for 32-bit? Erm, no. There's no other way how to play a digital sample than putting it into this 'legacy ram'. Same for video output without graphics card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMotorola Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 On 3/30/2023 at 1:13 PM, snarkdluG said: 70ns is slower. Did you mean 50ns? Good catch. I meant 50NS but my brain went the wrong way with the numbers. The TT RAM is nearly 3 times the speed of ST RAM in NemBench tests... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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