CharChar2001 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Can anyone attach the bin2om utility that jzintv was supposed to come with? Several purchased roms are not working in the bin+cfg format, and it appears jzintv is an installer now and doesn't include this utility. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Hm. The files on the official website are plain zipped archives. Which operating system are you running?http://spatula-city.org/~im14u2c/intv/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntellivisionDude Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) If you download the official version from Spatula city the file you need should be in the bin folder. I also recommend downloading the LTO flash software. It has JZintv built in. You don't need an LTO to use it. You just need to point the program to the exec and grom and you are good to go. In my opinion it works better than the JZintv Installer version Edited August 14 by IntellivisionDude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharChar2001 Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 I guess that's the issue, I can't get to that site, as it's being blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharChar2001 Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 On 8/14/2023 at 5:51 PM, carlsson said: Hm. The files on the official website are plain zipped archives. Which operating system are you running?http://spatula-city.org/~im14u2c/intv/ I got to their site, and have binrom.exe now. Running Win10. What's the syntax for this? I did bin2om Miner.bin and it made a rom that's a lot smaller and still doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 Do you have the matching CFG file in the same directory as the BIN file? I suppose the files you can buy have rather complex mappings, so you definitely need the CFG file to get a correct ROM. Also you can try the jzintv emulator with the generated ROM file to see if it loads it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) 5 hours ago, CharChar2001 said: I got to their site, and have binrom.exe now. Running Win10. What's the syntax for this? I did bin2om Miner.bin and it made a rom that's a lot smaller and still doesn't work. That is the right syntax. If the .rom is smaller than the .bin file than something went wrong with the conversion. If the .bin has paged memory banks then you should have gotten messages about missed pages as .rom doesn't support standard paged memory, resulting in a much smaller file. Converting to .rom won't help jzintv run a .bin that's not compatible. Try running the .bin+cfg in the latest version of jzintv downloaded from that website. Edited August 17 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharChar2001 Posted August 17 Author Share Posted August 17 Ok, so the issue, at least so far, was that the version in the jzintv installer is not the latest 2020 build. I read another post about overlaying the installer with these files and now the bin2rom works and Jzintv works with bin files. the game is playable (only tested Miner2049er so far). I'll try these in Backbit next. The rom file is smaller at 52kb vs the bin file at 147kb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+llabnip Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 57 minutes ago, CharChar2001 said: The rom file is smaller at 52kb vs the bin file at 147kb. Something is wrong. A .rom is the same as the .bin binary but with some header/tagging to indicate where in the Intellivision memory map it should be located. The only way a .rom could be smaller than a .bin is if the .bin was incorrectly loaded with extra pad bytes that aren't in the .cfg memory map. If the .bin file is that large, it's probably using ECS style banking which can't be represented in the .rom format. You will likely run into problems at some later levels or some music won't play ... in short: you're missing some of the program when you converted to .rom format. Jzintv is the defacto standard for emulation of the Intellivision. It handles .bin/.cfg files perfectly - my humble recommendation is to not try and convert those to .rom (most Inty games that you buy digitally that don't come with a .rom file is a sign that it's only going to work properly in .bin/cfg format). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikazi26 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 JLP images do not like .Rom format. That’s why I didn’t include them in that format when I distributed the files. .Bin/.CFG (or .Luigi) only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 The .rom format doesn't handle standard memory bank paging; jlp shouldn't be a problem. Grail of the Gods was distributed in .rom and uses jlp accelerators. It still makes .rom incompatible with a lot of homebrews with or without jlp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 It might be good to clarify which of the 2 bank swapping mechanisms is being referred to as "standard". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Mattel/ecs bank switching. Did anyone even use Intellicart bank switching; it's limited to under 64k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharChar2001 Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 On 8/18/2023 at 5:47 AM, Kamikazi26 said: JLP images do not like .Rom format. That’s why I didn’t include them in that format when I distributed the files. .Bin/.CFG (or .Luigi) only. So then is there a way to convert these JLP images (like Operation Cloudfire) for use on the Backbit and play on a real Intellivision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, CharChar2001 said: So then is there a way to convert these JLP images (like Operation Cloudfire) for use on the Backbit and play on a real Intellivision? Bin2rom does support jlp variables, but it doesn't support bank switching which most larger rom files use. The Backbit has it's own .ecs file format and a bin2ecs conversion utility. I'm not sure if it supports jlp variables, bin2ecs has a -j command switch that presumably addresses jlp. Edited October 3 by mr_me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntellivisionDude Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 5 hours ago, CharChar2001 said: So then is there a way to convert these JLP images (like Operation Cloudfire) for use on the Backbit and play on a real Intellivision? It depends on the game and if it needs bankswitching. Also Evie added a new update so games in JLP can now play in .rom But if it also has bankswitching you will probably have to convert it to .ecs and set the -j flag using the command line. I made a new video on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nanochess Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Games like Miner 2049er (and most others from Elektronite) come strongly ciphered for LTO-Flash using the exclusive serial number of the buyer. There is no way to run these in emulation or in a different flash cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntellivisionDude Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 1 hour ago, nanochess said: Games like Miner 2049er (and most others from Elektronite) come strongly ciphered for LTO-Flash using the exclusive serial number of the buyer. There is no way to run these in emulation or in a different flash cartridge. That is just the older Elektronite roms. Newer ones come in BIN+CFG format https://www.intellivisioncollector.com/roms/miner-2049er-rom.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+nanochess Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 10 hours ago, IntellivisionDude said: That is just the older Elektronite roms. Newer ones come in BIN+CFG format https://www.intellivisioncollector.com/roms/miner-2049er-rom.html I didn't know. Well, this simplifies matters: Currently, the ROM format cannot handle the bank-switching format in Miner 2049er. So it isn't possible to convert a bank-switched BIN+CFG to ROM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntellivisionDude Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 That is true. I don't own that rom yet to test it. But on a Backbit it will probably work using Bin2ecs and set the -j flag using the command line. In theory anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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