What do you think SNES needs to see more new indie/homebrew games?

[+GoldLeader]

What do you think SNES needs to see more new indie/homebrew games?

 

(I'm not reading through all this business, so all apologies if this has been said 10,000 times or something)

 

IMHO:  Family Friendly DEV TOOLS!

 

 

Ya know,   something that works so the programmer doesn't accidentally cuss up a storm in front of his family,  whereby they will get mad and banish his ass to the garage to work on games...

[Kirk_Johnston]

1 hour ago, GoldLeader said:

What do you think SNES needs to see more new indie/homebrew games?

IMHO:  Family Friendly DEV TOOLS!

 

Ya know,   something that works so the programmer doesn't accidentally cuss up a storm in front of his family,  whereby they will get mad and banish his ass to the garage to work on games...

I totally hear you on that.

Edited October 5, 2023 by Kirk_Johnston

[roots.genoa]

2 hours ago, GoldLeader said:

IMHO:  Family Friendly DEV TOOLS!

[Domeshtan]

17 hours ago, KulorXL said:

the data being read is corrupted. You have to be very, very careful to ensure data integrity. If I had to guess, that's probably what's happening here...would have to see the code to be certain, of course.

Well, I dug up my old program and threw a few more comments in it this morning. It isn't GameMaker but stuff is commented quite a bit and instructions on how to make a rom image out of the source with wla_dx_v10.1 are at the top of the file if anyone else wants to tinker with it. (MyAudio27AA1.asm) I'm still learning the ropes but it does run on a real Super Nintendo so my code might not be efficient or structured pretty but it works. The SPC700 code is already pre-assembled but the source for that is in there as well if someone want to mess with it using spcas_v01. (MyAudioProgram2.asm) For the main file make some changes, run 2 command lines, check out the rom image for changes... Somebody might get something out of it. I test assembled it this morning so everything should be there (except the assemblers)

WLAFiles.zip

[Wayler]

7 hours ago, GoldLeader said:

Family Friendly DEV TOOLS!

Are the current tools too vulgar or violent to be used by Timmy 5-year-old? Has the maker of NESticle returned and produced tools for the SNES community? 

 

(As a young teen, I always thought the cursor was a bloody severed hand, which was super cool. I hadn't yet made the connection between the name reference and the visual imagery.) 

[roots.genoa]

5 hours ago, Wayler said:

Are the current tools too vulgar or violent to be used by Timmy 5-year-old? Has the maker of NESticle returned and produced tools for the SNES community? 

 

(As a young teen, I always thought the cursor was a bloody severed hand, which was super cool. I hadn't yet made the connection between the name reference and the visual imagery.) 

Wait, it isn't a severed hand?? 🤔

[Tanooki]

Scrot for an icon, severed bloody hand for a pointer, and its internal stamp sized face of it in a pop up box was shitman.  Icer Addis was the pinnacle of maturity at the time in the collective of early emulation authors.  He may have had some good ideas that saved a lot of resources so low spec stuff worked great (486) but in turn he was later found out to be a source code thief, gas lighter(before it was a term), and all around shielded punk by an online army of suck ups.  When he got backdoored and the evidence pulled by smarter people he had a childish meltdown, packed up his toys, and bailed.  He later resurfaced ironically working for EA, and given his morals and behaviors I could not think of a more cozy home for the clown.  I bumped into him at E3 in 01, his behavior hadn't changed in the few years since I last talked to the guy, hadn't seen him since.

 

Donald Moore(Mindrape) of Damaged Cybernetics was the one ot pull his files considering an earlier copy of his source was leaked and showed to have parallel code with the paid Marat Fayzullin emulator iNES (which he still maintains to date, largely free now too.)  Smelling a rat, he hacked the guy, found it was to be true, and embarrassed him online accordingly.  While I was NOT in DC, I was friends with part of its membership and was around to see the outcome of the hack and the proofing being released.  Sardu(Addis) had an epic meltdown and quit, closed up NES, Genesis(Genecyst) and the soon to be released SNESticle too.  Oddly enough he did in time use the source as that emulator was used by EA for the emulation of Super Punchout on Gamecube for their Fight Night game that had Lil mac as a selectable unique character for that release.  Interestingly enough about 5 years ago he (Addis) put his emulator final source/build up on the internet archive, he still holds to his same lie and shaming of the theft calling out the hacker and playing the innocent role of the victim, when he in fact was a thief stealing source from someone who made it his college living having paid emulators and other programs as a side job while doing schooling.  Pretty f'd up if you ask me stealing from a college students part time job income source, but whatever.  I always felt that shitman was self projecting at that rate.  I know I'm kind of outing myself for age, how long I've been online, and some of the depth of what I got into back in that decade, but I'll leave the rest of it to speculation since some was shady stuff.

 

[Wayler]

3 hours ago, Tanooki said:

Scrot for an icon, severed bloody hand for a pointer,

Aah, so my innocent young mind was right all along, it was just my depraved  cynical memories that got twisted through the years. 

 

And about the rest, did not know there was so much more to this story, thanks for the write up @Tanooki. 

[Atariboy]

4 hours ago, Tanooki said:

Icer Addis was the pinnacle of maturity at the time in the collective of early emulation authors.  He may have had some good ideas that saved a lot of resources so low spec stuff worked great (486) but in turn he was later found out to be a source code thief, gas lighter(before it was a term), and all around shielded punk by an online army of suck ups. 

Do you mean gaslighting?

 

Gaslighting as a term has been around since at least 1944 (and probably for quite a few years earlier before the famous Ingrid Bergman, Charles Boyer, and Joseph Cotten film popularized the term in reference to psychological manipulation where you try to make someone start questioning their own sanity).

 

Nothing at all new about it.

Edited October 6, 2023 by Atariboy

[Memblers]

On 10/4/2023 at 9:27 PM, Domeshtan said:

I thought the point of the SPC700 being it's own CPU and stuff was so that if the 65816 side got bogged down with stuff that the music would not slow down. Yeah, those timers seem screwy to me. They reset after being read? To me that's like having a watch that keeps perfect time but anytime I look at it it would reset to 12:00. I know I'm missing something. I can activate them and see them working while debugging but something is screwy when reading them.

To be clear, the interval time value is write-only, and the count value is read-only.  The count value is how many times the selected interval has passed.  The count output is only 4-bits wide, and having it reset when read is good because it simplifies extending it, just add it to a variable to let it accumulate into a larger range.  Since there is no interrupt, the SPC program's main loop could have it's idle time polling all this stuff.  The main loop needs to complete before the 4-bit count can overflow, otherwise those signals are lost.  It may help to manually insert more calls to the polling/accumulating subroutine elsewhere, if the SPC code's worst-case timing runs longer than the intervals.

 

Somewhat related, just this week, the LLVM-MOS compiler started supporting SPC700 in the latest release.  Now you can program in C/C++, if you want.  Performance-wise it's been great for 6502, and it looks like 65816 support may be coming eventually.

https://github.com/llvm-mos/llvm-mos/pull/357

https://github.com/llvm-mos/llvm-mos-sdk

[Tanooki]

7 hours ago, Atariboy said:

Do you mean gaslighting?

 

Gaslighting as a term has been around since at least 1944 (and probably for quite a few years earlier before the famous Ingrid Bergman, Charles Boyer, and Joseph Cotten film popularized the term in reference to psychological manipulation where you try to make someone start questioning their own sanity).

 

Nothing at all new about it.

Yes I was speaking in past terms, current would have been gas lighting, but I don't know, so I used lighter for past.  I just don't recall people using it as a trendy current word for situations such as it was defined for so I did it that way.

 

@Wayler No problem, there's plenty more details I just didn't want to do a deeper dive, and I'd have to do some old archive digging to see what I could skim up.  Needless to say sardu(Addis) was quite the thieving egomanic prick of sorts at the time who couldn't take being found out, nor didn't he like when people make comments about his attitude.  In a way he was like alex on the neogeo forums where he had an army of suck-ups that would shield the fragile person from criticism by attacking anyone that wouldn't kiss the ring (that classic situation.)  The fact that Mindrape did what he did crushed the luster of his awesomeness and so-called creativity and exposed the guy as a petty thief with skills, who took the windows/linix copy of iNES and re-coded it another way for DOS which emphasized speed over some levels of compatibility.  In a way but not, like how UltraHLE got N64 working on a moderate Pentium in the late 90s/00 era of emulation when that should never been possible.  A more than competent coder thief, unlike someone else here on the site who just likes to only gaslight and divert but can't do anything but throw around mockups and shade.