oceanix42 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Are all homebrews compatible with the 2600+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, oceanix42 said: Are all homebrews compatible with the 2600+? No. That's a no for some retail era games too. On a cellphone so it's hard to type. I'm sure someone will point you to Ataris tested/untested list. This is an emulator in a box. Expect at least the basic advantages and disadvantages of a Retron 77 without community firmware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanix42 Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) That's what I heard but wanted to confirm. Well, that's another Atari product I'm not purchasing, rather just get a third 2600 from ebay. Though for collectors' sake, I might pick one up second hand in the distant future. A note to Atari: IF you are going to do something like this, put an actual 6502 chip in the box, better yet, an FPGA...it's cheap, not difficult, and you can have it work with everything. Anyway, keep trying though! Edited September 27, 2023 by oceanix42 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, oceanix42 said: That's what I heard but wanted to confirm. Well, that's another Atari product I'm not purchasing, rather just get a third 2600 from ebay. Though for collectors' sake, I might pick one up second hand in the distant future. Yep, and once you buy that 2600 and then HDMI mod it so you can use it on a modern TV, you have a great system... That is awesome... Some people just want something simple to plug in and work. And don't necessarily need 100% compatibility (and heck, some 7800's don't play all 2600 games (or at least easily because of some cart designs, so 100% is tricky). And this is an option for those... More options are good. But that doesn't mean that those options will work for everyone! And that is fine... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanix42 Posted September 27, 2023 Author Share Posted September 27, 2023 1 minute ago, desiv said: Yep, and once you buy that 2600 and then HDMI mod it so you can use it on a modern TV, you have a great system... That is awesome... Some people just want something simple to plug in and work. And don't necessarily need 100% compatibility (and heck, some 7800's don't play all 2600 games (or at least easily because of some cart designs, so 100% is tricky). And this is an option for those... More options are good. But that doesn't mean that those options will work for everyone! And that is fine... I don't disagree but my marketing strategy mind is at work...and things aren't adding up LOL oh well. I love that this is even a thing and hope it continues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famicommander Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, oceanix42 said: I don't disagree but my marketing strategy mind is at work...and things aren't adding up LOL oh well. I love that this is even a thing and hope it continues. The target market is the same people who bought every single version of the Atari Flashback, and the same people buying all these new MyArcade devices. People that just want more boxes with Atari logos to put on the shelf no matter how bad they are at playing Atari games. If this thing cost twice as much and played half as many games as the compatibility list indicated there would still be the same number of people here defending it, saying maybe if this one sells well enough they'll release a good one next year. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Or just grt a gamestation pro and load all the homebrew roms on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Here's a crazy idea: somehow get an insider to talk Atari into allowing bare metal homebrew carts for the system. AtariAge and AtariAge members could make sweet ARM based games. The 2600+ becomes the actual, real, not emulated 2600+ system. Could probably use many of the development tools the Evercade does. Anyone know of a high ranking AtariAge and Atari employee that can get this blessing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSamyon Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 16 hours ago, 0078265317 said: Or just grt a gamestation pro and load all the homebrew roms on it. The challenge is finding those roms. I have quite a few homebrew cartridges I purchased but I don't have access to the rom unless I dump it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0078265317 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Maybe aomebody here can dump the home brew carts and we can start a collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, 0078265317 said: Maybe somebody here can dump the home brew carts and we can start a collection. Assuming the original programmers are OK with it... Might be good to see whether some of the original programmers come up with an alternate method to get the ROMs. Either just offering them or a digital purchase option... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+splendidnut Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 Most homebrew cartridges should work. It's mainly the newer ARM-based games that are the issue. Most of those are Champ Games... who have the ROMs available for purchase. They also have Demo ROMs available. Champ Games website: https://champ.games/ Now you just need a way to load them onto the 2600+. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 7:02 PM, oceanix42 said: Are all homebrews compatible with the 2600+? The Atari 2600+ uses ProSystem 1.3e emulator for 7800 games. @Trebor tested 110 games for 7800 under ProSystem 1.3 Core via RetroArch. Most are 7800 Homebrews games, including some on sale in the AA store. Test Results: - 20 games = Black screen - 6 games = No audio / No music / No sound (POKEY or TIA) - 36 games = Works with issue: graphic issue graphic corruption speed / timing issue enemies absent player will not move sound issue POKEY notes incorrect - 1 game = Needs light gun support (Sentinel) - 49 games = Works without issue Spoiler Test Results under ProSystem 1.3 Core via RetroArch: 7ix = Works without issue 1942 = Black screen 2048 = Graphic issue throughout A.R.T.I. = Black screen A Roach in Space - Part 2 = Works without issue Ah Zombies = Graphic issue throughout Alpha Race = Works without issue Apple Snaffle = Some graphic corruption after screen scrolls Arkanoid = Black screen Armor Attack II = Works without issue Asteroids Deluxe = Speed/Timing Issue present Astro Blaster = Works without issue Astro Fighter = Works without issue Attack of the Petscii Robots = Black screen Baby Pac-Man = Graphic issue pinball screen Beef Drop = POKEY sound not present, enemies absent, player will not move Bentley Bear's Crystal Quest = No POKEY music or TIA sound effects present Bernie and the Cubic Conundrum = Graphic issue throughout Bernie and the Tower of Doom = Black screen BlocDrop = Works without issue Block'em Sock'em = Black screen BonQ = Works without issue Cannon in D - D for Defense = Work without issue Cartesian Chaos = Graphic issue throughout Crazy Brix = Brix display incorrectly Crazy Otto = Works without issue Danger Zone = Graphic issue throughout Death Merchant = Graphic issue throughout Donkey Kong PK = No audio DopeWars = Graphic issue throughout Dragon's Cache = Works without issue Dragon's Descent = Works without issue Dragon's Havoc = Graphic issue throughout Drelbs = Works without issue Drone Patrol = Black Screen Drunk Witch = Works without issue Dungeon Stalker = Works with issue E.X.O. = Black screen FailSafe = Works without issue FlappyBird = Works without issue Freeway = Graphic issue throughout Frenzy (w-Berzerk) = Works without issue Froggie = Some POKEY notes incorrect Frogus = Black screen Galaxian = Plays without issue Game of the Bear - Polar Opposites = Works without issue Get Lost = Works without issue Ghosts'n Goblins = Graphic issue throughout Graze Suit Alpha = Works without issue Harpy's Curse = Black screen Harry's Hen House = Works without issue Heartlight = Works without issue I.C.B.M. = Graphic issue throughout Jacks or Better = Graphic issue throughout Jr Pac-Man = Works without issue K.C. Munchkin = Works without issue Keystone Koppers = Black screen Klax = Black screen Knight Guy - Quest for Something = Works without issue Knight Guy in Low Res World - Castle Days = Works without issue Knight Guy on Board - 30 Squares of Fate = Works without issue Legend of Silverpeak = Black screen Lunar Patrol = Graphic corruption throughout Meteor Shower = Works without issue Millie & Molly = Black screen Missing In Action = Graphic issue throughout Moon Cresta = Works without issue Ms. Pac-Man Twin = Works without issue Ninjish Guy - Perilous Island = Works without issue Oozy the Goo - Gaiden = Works without issue Pac-Man - Energy Drink Edition = Graphic issue with sprite bottom of maze Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition = Black screen Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition (Short Mazes) = Black screen PentaGo = No POKEY sound and graphic issue throughout Pirate Cove = Works without issue Plink = Graphic issue throughout Plumb Luck DX = Works without issue Plutos = Graphic issue throughout Poetiru = Works without issue Pong = Graphic issue throughout Popeye = No POKEY sound and graphic issue throughout RatTrap = No POKEY sound and graphic issue throughout Rescue On Fractalus = Black screen after starting game ReZolve = Works without issue Rikki and Vikki (No Music) = Works without issue Rip-Off = Works without issue Robbo = No sound Robots Rumble = Black screen Santa Simon = Works without issue Scramble = Sound issue Sentinel = Needs light gun support Serpentine = Black screen Sick Pickles = Works without issue Sirius = Works without issue Slide Boy in Maze Land = Works without issue Space Duel = Speed/Timing Issue Space Invaders = Works without issue Space Peril! = Graphic issue throughout Space Race = Graphic issue throughout Spire of the Ancients = Graphic issue throughout Super Circus AtariAge = Works without issue Super Pac-Man = Works without issue T:ME Salvo = Works without issue Touchdown Challenge = Graphic issue throughout Tunnels of Hyperion = Works without issue UniWarS = Works without issue Wasp! = Works without issue Wizard's Dungeon = No background sound and graphic issue throughout Wordle = Graphic corruption - letter selection area Worm! = Works without issue Not a great showing for the 7800 Homebrews to state the least. Best we can hope for is Atari integrating the updates readily available via JS7800 posted sources, which several from the community have assisted with updating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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arpruss Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 17 hours ago, 0078265317 said: Work would be needed to support homebrew mapper schemes with my dumper. Currently, my dumper in theory supports all the classic 2600 mappers (in practice it's only been tested with two, and there are probably bugs), but for any different mapper one would have to add code. (One could add code to auto-detect the new mapper, but I would be worried that this could break the auto-detection for one of the classic mappers, which are my priority. Probably a better solution would be to add code for the homebrew mappers that need to be manually set.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Mental Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Will Star Castle homebrew or anything 2600 or 7800 bought from Atariage be compatible with the Atari 2600 +? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 12:18 PM, 0078265317 said: Maybe aomebody here can dump the home brew carts and we can start a collection. Yeah, don't do this unless you want to discourage homebrew authors from continuing to develop new games in the future. In other words, please respect homebrew authors' wishes on this front. And certainly do not discuss dumping and sharing binaries for homebrew games here on AtariAge. Thank you, ..Al 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/14/2023 at 3:37 PM, Judge Mental said: Will Star Castle homebrew or anything 2600 or 7800 bought from Atariage be compatible with the Atari 2600 +? Many games will run, not all of them, but we are working on improving compatibility on this front. The biggest battle will be over Melody-based games, but we're confident we will ultimately be able to get those to work as well. We are working on a "Atari 2600+ Community Compatibility List" and should have an initial version posted soon (both here and on Atari.com). Ben from Plaion and I are currently working on getting most of the AtariAge 7800 homebrew games working, and I'll solicit help from the community in getting non-AtariAge 7800 homebrews running as well. ..Al 12 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Albert said: The biggest battle will be over Melody-based games, but we're confident we will ultimately be able to get those to work as well. That sounds very promising! I guess @batari is involved with this as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANC3L0T Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 12:23 PM, desiv said: Yep, and once you buy that 2600 and then HDMI mod it so you can use it on a modern TV, you have a great system... I don't like modding my vintage Atari systems. I use a $3 coaxial RCA Adapter to get my old Atari consoles working with a modern TV. As far as I know, modern televisions can still tune into channels 2.0 and 3.0 just fine. At least all of mine can. https://console5.com/store/gold-plated-premium-coaxial-rca-to-f-type-converter.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bent_pin Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 1:09 PM, Gemintronic said: No. That's a no for some retail era games too. On a cellphone so it's hard to type. I'm sure someone will point you to Ataris tested/untested list. This is an emulator in a box. Expect at least the basic advantages and disadvantages of a Retron 77 without community firmware. I believe that @Albert confirmed that some of them did work, just none with melody boards. It has been discussed in other threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bent_pin Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 1:18 PM, 0078265317 said: Maybe aomebody here can dump the home brew carts and we can start a collection. Many are available on here from the authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 10:14 PM, Albert said: The biggest battle will be over Melody-based games, but we're confident we will ultimately be able to get those to work as well. I can’t wait to see Space Rocks, etc., running on the 2600+. Btw, has anyone tried the 7800 homebrew Asteroids Deluxe? I’d like to know if it’s currently compatible with the 2600+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 hours ago, sramirez2008 said: I can’t wait to see Space Rocks, etc., running on the 2600+. Btw, has anyone tried the 7800 homebrew Asteroids Deluxe? I’d like to know if it’s currently compatible with the 2600+. It doesn't currently work with the systems that are shipping, but it does work on newer firmware. ..Al 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 hours ago, bent_pin said: Many are available on here from the authors. This is very true. My post above still stands as far as homebrew games for which authors have NOT made final ROMs available. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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