Jump to content
IGNORED

Best loader device and Basic for the C64.


Geister

Recommended Posts

Hi all,

 

What is the best device for loading software on the C64 and what is the best Basic version that can run from that device?

 

I'm looking for the best performing Basic with advanced graphics and sound commands.  Something like the Basic 7.0 on the C128.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, evg2000 said:

you might want to look at something like this 

https://visionbasic.net/

While speed is desirable, a better basic is the goal.  If that goal requires the addition of a ton of extra hardware, it's not the droid I'm looking for.  

What I'm looking for is a period correct Basic that can be loaded from a cartridge or SDIEC device.

Sorry about all the "Bests"  in the original post, I'm not looking to build the ultimate C64, just something better than the plain vanilla basic that came in the original unit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, motrucker said:

I think this is the latest version of Simon's Basic;

 

https://commodore.software/downloads/download/10-basic-extensions/958-simon-s-basic-v3-1

 

Hope this helps.....

 

Norton spazzes out over this website calling it a "Dangerous Webpage".  It often does this to many Atari webpages that offer software for downloading.  I think the assumption is "Warez=Hackerz" and most people can't be bothered to straighten Norton out.  

Thanks, I'll look into Simons Basic.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Generally, the Commodore computers never got any alternative or updated BASICs. There were all sorts of extensions like Simons' BASIC, Tool 64, Super Expander 64 and so on, plus toolkits that were part of freezer cartridges but despite you can disable the ROM chips, almost nobody released a BASIC replacement of its own. I do believe there is a port of BBC BASIC though.

 

Then there were environments offering BASIC language meant to be compiled. I believe Laser BASIC is one of those, to which extent it is backwards compatible with the Commodore/Microsoft variant. Of course there were other BASIC compilers too, but that is not what you're looking for.

 

Regarding a device to load programs, it depends on your budget. Top of the line still appears to be the Ultimate-II+ or whatever it is named today, but it also is the premium choice that sets you back quite a lot of money (ok, the Turbo Chameleon would set you back even more). Some people think it is too expensive for a starter in the hobby, while others see all the bells and whistles it offers and figures if they're going to spend money, might as well get the best that can do almost everything from the start, than go for a cheaper solution that after a while might seem like a roadblock. Among those cheaper options may be Pi1541 (if you have a spare Raspberry Pi), one of many different SD2IEC devices including uIEC/SD, and several that I haven't kept track of. Generally the cheaper ones work well for standard disk images, but software that tries to reprogram the floppy drive on the fly tends to fail in the middle of loading. The Pi1541 might be able to do that, but I've read mixed reviews about it through the years.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

17 hours ago, motrucker said:

There is the fixed Simons Basic called Tuned Simons Basic (TSB).  You can find it at https://github.com/godot64/TSB

Truly,

Robert Bernardo

Fresno Commodore User Group - http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm

Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network - http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan

Edited by RobertB
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/15/2023 at 8:38 PM, Virtualsky said:

I mention four different BASIC 2.0 "enhancements" that were published by Loadstar  HERE.  They're pretty easy to implement on a non-expanded authentic C64 using any disk drive or modern SD2IEC device.  Disk images and documentation has been provided in the article.

Another webpage that Norton Spazzes over. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 10/12/2023 at 2:38 AM, RobertB said:

There is the fixed Simons Basic called Tuned Simons Basic (TSB).  You can find it at https://github.com/godot64/TSB

Truly,

Robert Bernardo

Fresno Commodore User Group - http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm

Southern California Commodore & Amiga Network - http://www.portcommodore.com/sccan

That's what I was looking for, but could not remember the proper name. Many thanks.

@ Geister - this is the one you want - forget my post.

 

 

 

Edited by motrucker
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks all.  I may have an option from the guy I bought my 64's from.  He's selling a package called "The Tool" which claims to have several new graphics commands for the C64 including the ability to print text in Hi-Res mode.    

 

I'll definitely look into TSB incase he sells his copy before I get off my butt.  (I'm busy doing drywall repair ATM.)

Edited by Geister
Link to comment
Share on other sites

41 minutes ago, Geister said:

Thanks all.  I may have an option from the guy I bought my 64's from.  He's selling a package called "The Tool" which claims to have several new graphics commands for the C64 including the ability to print text in Hi-Res mode.    

https://www.ebay.com/itm/185918012191?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=_Uagd4WrRf2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Handic Software repackaged The Tool by Tri-Micro into a cartridge called Tool 64. I believe it is the same software package, just different form.

 

Simons' Basic contains more commands, and the tuned version of course is even more advanced if you only want one extension, and ideally one that still has some usage today. As noted, none of those replace the ROM BASIC, they extend it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...