8bitwidgets.com Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I make a coupler that works for the CX40 joysticks specifically and I just wonder if the coupler would work with 2600+ joysticks. Not sure if anyone who owns one happens to also own any of the couplers I make for the 2600 These are made VERY close to the exact size of a CX40 so even 1-2mm difference in any direction hight, width or depth could result in a poor fit. I did ask this question awhile ago, but never got a direct answer so I thought I'd give it a fresh try rather than try to bump the original question. Thanks, Caleb 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I was hoping yours will be one of those posts that answer the question with digital calipers and lots of numbers! You might have to send a sample of your device to so,some at Atari or another volunteer, or have them send you one of the new sticks for testing. Why the need for such precision? Are they 3D printed? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5397967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I'll measure them with calipers on Monday. Thanks 2 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5397971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 25 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: I'll measure them with calipers on Monday. thank you! yea i can compare even measurements to know if they are close enough. There is some room for variance, but not a lot. it's fine line between too tight and too loose. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5397987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 If they fit the new joysticks, I'm definitely up for getting one of these couplers for Robotron 2084 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5397988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 32 minutes ago, Flojomojo said: You might have to send a sample of your device to so, some at Atari or another volunteer yea or i'll pick up a 2600+ myself and test against it.. then return it.. but i'm not a big fan of doing that so that's a last resort. 33 minutes ago, Flojomojo said: Why the need for such precision? Are they 3D printed? Yes I design and make these for folks. https://www.ebay.com/itm/115705572856 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5397990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: If they fit the new joysticks, I'll definitely let you know as soon as I know myself. I think best buy might carry them. if they do i'll pick one up later this week unless i can get those measurements from @Ben from Plaion which i'm sure I will. As I was saying I'm not a big fan of buying something and returning it. If it doesn't fit, what I have done in the past for others like the 5200, 7800 and Gamestation Pro (systems I didn't own to test against myself) is someone mails me their controllers and I make the new coupler for them for free (they cover shipping) and i ship back the new coupler with their controllers. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5397993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 7 minutes ago, 8bitwidgets.com said: yea or i'll pick up a 2600+ myself and test against it.. then return it.. but i'm not a big fan of doing that so that's a last resort. Please do not do this. All that happens to your unit, is that the manufacturer makes a complete loss on the production of the machine and the product will probably end up in landfill 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5397997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 Just now, Ben from Plaion said: All that happens to your unit, is that the manufacturer makes a complete loss on the production of the machine and the product will probably end up in landfill that's exactly why i'm reluctant to do it. i seriously doubt it would come to that especially since you're being awesome to get those measurements. I'm not going to rush into it. Even if it takes longer to get a verification.. and just to save time, here are the measurements of my CX40s.. 89mm wide 97mm deep 36mm high These were the widest points of each dimension. If the 2600+ are within 1-2mm of this they should be ok. I have a list of early 2600 coupler owners who are on atari age.. i'll also go through that list of guys and see if any of them bought a 2600+ Maybe I could pay someone to ship a set to me to test and I could return them on my dime. I'd just like to not spend $130 to test the real thing. I game on a CRT so the HDMI perk (which is great for many people) and I own a 7800 so just a lot of money for something i don't need. Anyone in the greater Boston area?! =D Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+D Train Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 @sramirez2008 can you help here? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 48 minutes ago, D Train said: @sramirez2008 can you help here? Just compared my CX10s/CX40s to the CX40+ and there is a slight difference. The original controllers do not move at all when used with the coupler, but the CX40+ has a bit of movement (up/down) within the coupler. Appears to be a slight difference in the height of the CX40+. 3 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudografx Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 15 hours ago, 8bitwidgets.com said: yea or i'll pick up a 2600+ myself and test against it.. then return it.. but i'm not a big fan of doing that so that's a last resort. Yes I design and make these for folks. https://www.ebay.com/itm/115705572856 Well, you can also buy just the standalone CX40+ joystick. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, pseudografx said: Well, you can also buy just the standalone CX40+ joystick. yea that's true, i was looking at that last night. This is the exact one right? I just didn't want to buy something non official that someone is passing off as 2600+ compatible. https://www.ebay.com/itm/375117850136?hash=item5756c42618:g:wQwAAOSwDHZhSh-P&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwCJlDzOoFbsUAROUOkrU2TUiunIlDjFk1lUCAfTwYYIm6q7N%2Fih3YDO9j0NpCt%2B1d57Edp0y6ebO2fjHr%2FbYBa6kKGDoYVLPgkEK%2B4Eb20%2BrJyGMI2QBZHxi9cblplzKAnN0%2F%2ByPnrM3VUKniBWkQdudkGxjxeb8qZC75QqRTEOMaZeemE%2FYyDAhSknuUtn9hSG8j2KDeKvXyd9cbkWGWmskew6JwudVAshqaPBFxUO6uniTwhH2ROqvM7GiyBvVhw%3D%3D|tkp%3ABlBMUPSv14mqYw Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 That one is a third party knock-off. The real CX40+ looks like this 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 12 hours ago, sramirez2008 said: Appears to be a slight difference in the height of the CX40+. interesting. so to be clear it's a snug fit left right forward backwards, but vertically there is some play. question then.. is it still effective? or because of this is it prone to slide out? do you have the model 2 or model 3? the latest version I make has a lip on the back which locks in the controller, where my earlier model 1 and 2 were held in strictly by friction. I would imagine that it's possible with the model 3 that the vertical give might not matter so much I think I'm going to go ahead and buy a 2600+ and a hyperkin so I can test them all. I may need to make a few variations. To confidently account for each shape. This new version while better for CX40, has me wondering if the hyperkin (which would work if you put it in backwards, will work with this because of the lip and not sure how deep the hyperkin is. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 Just now, Dr Karnov said: The real CX40+ looks like this ah ok good to know! i'll keep looking and be sure it's authentic. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) This is the real one: https://www.amazon.com/CX40-Joystick-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B0CG7KK9V6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=1ES13PFQ49CRQ&keywords=atari+cx40%2B&qid=1706454855&sprefix=atari+cx40%2B%2Caps%2C223&sr=8-1 Or https://atari.com/products/cx40-joystick Edited January 28 by Dr Karnov 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 ok so they are out of stock officially: https://atari.com/products/cx40-joystick but at least it's there and a reasonable price. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, 8bitwidgets.com said: interesting. so to be clear it's a snug fit left right forward backwards, but vertically there is some play. The overall fit is a tad looser. It’s easier to slide them in, so overall there is a difference, but the biggest difference is vertically. I have the ones without the tab. The tab should help. I like mine to really lock in, but for others, especially with the tab, it may not be an issue. Note: I hadn’t tested the coupler with the CX40+ controllers because I have mine put away with two CX10s. I primarily use it when my sons come over to play the 2600 homebrew Robotwar 2684. I connect them and my Edladdin Twin-Stick (via the QuadTari) so we can play the two player version of the game. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scifidude79 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, 8bitwidgets.com said: ah ok good to know! i'll keep looking and be sure it's authentic. Another way to tell the difference is if they show the plug, like that listing did. The real CX-40+ has the Atari Fuji logo on the plug. If you don't see that, then it's not an authentic Atari controller. 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, 8bitwidgets.com said: ah ok good to know! i'll keep looking and be sure it's authentic. There’s a comparison between the CX10/CX40s and CX40+ in this video ~14:25 mark. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 OK so at this time I'm going to officially say the CX40 coupler is just that.. couplers made for the CX40.. up till now I've not had access to CX10 controllers or the others, but I will go ahead and invest in one of each of them so I can with certainty know what does/doesn't fit well (or well enough) to be useable. I may need to make some variations for folks like Trooper owners and such. Up till now it's not been enough demand for anything other than CX40 to make it worth it, but the troopers are still popular and there's a user base of those so they deserve to be represented and of course the 2600+ is the latest addition to the 2600 family, so a lot of energy and excitement is going on about it. I made one for the GameStation Pro that I really like as it also allows rotation insertion to do things like play NES games like Smash TV and rotate the physical controllers.. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5398741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I checked CX40+ with calipers 88mm wide 96mm deep 34mm high 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5399214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfriendly Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I'm curious to see how they hold up when compared to the old ones. Someone younger than me with less arthritis needs to put one through a few plays of Activision's Decathlon. If you have small children or grandchildren toss them a few bucks to run the 1500M and see what's left afterwards! 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5399368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
8bitwidgets.com Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: 88mm wide 96mm deep 34mm high ok compared to 89mm wide 97mm deep 36mm high So yea just a hair smaller and probably would work fine with the Model 3 Couplers, but I think once I get a CX40+ and a Trooper, I'll produce specific ones for each to insure maximum snugness and reliability. Making something universal is nice, but usually (like the Intellivision Coupler with the Flashback) trying to make one for all just makes it less optimal for any of them. However, for someone who wants to be frugal the reality is that putting a few pieces of foam in some key spots would likely give a suitable snugness when needed and when someone wants to use it with the originals they could just remove the foam or heck if you do it optimally, might be able to keep the foam in there for either. Just never try to force it in. Should insert and remove comfortably. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360219-how-identical-are-the-new-joysticks-for-the-2600-to-the-original-i-mean-down-to-the-millimeter-accurate/#findComment-5399440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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