Atari2600PAL Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I received an HSGPL Card, which when it arrived was working fine in 80 column mode on my F18a Console However, not realising this was unusual, I loaded the 40 column DSR package from SNUG with the intention of going back to 80 column But it turns out the 80 column DSR files on SNUG do not support the F18a! (confirmed by Harald) I was wondering if anyone knows where I could get an F18a compatible DSR packaged from please? or a 40 column manual... Many thanks Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 The 80-column DSR for the HSGPL is available from the SNUG website as well as Winfred Winkler's 80-col GROM0. The English translation of the manual is there also. Here are the downloads from the SNUG site. hsgpk.p99 dsrldr3_en.p99 grom0ww.bin hsgpldsr80_en.zip grom0-80.bin hsgpl_en.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Just now, atrax27407 said: The 80-column DSR for the HSGPL is available from the SNUG website as well as Winfred Winkler's 80-col GROM0. The English translation of the manual is there also. Here are the downloads from the SNUG site. hsgpk.p99 1.09 kB · 0 downloads dsrldr3_en.p99 7.98 kB · 0 downloads grom0ww.bin 8.38 kB · 0 downloads hsgpldsr80_en.zip 37.27 kB · 0 downloads grom0-80.bin 6.38 kB · 0 downloads hsgpl_en.pdf 321.66 kB · 0 downloads Hi. Thanks but the 80 column on SNUG doesn’t work with f18a (confirmed by Harald, and by me loading it) and the manual is 80 column only (apparently there is no 40 column manual) I haven’t tried the alternate grom0 files as I can’t find any description of what they do (and because Harald said SNUG don’t have any F18a support) Will try to find out more about the Winfred Grom0 though just in case Thanks Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) The manual applies to both 40 and 80-column HSGPL cards. The only difference is which DSR and GROM0 that you load. I have never heard of a different, specific program(s) for the HSGPL and F18A. Edited January 29 by atrax27407 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 I don’t disagree that the details are in the manual, but all you get in 40 column mode is one simple screen. Which makes working out what you can and can’t do, compared to 80 column (menus/multiple screens), very difficult. Having used 80 column easily I find the 40 column version almost unusable/unbearable The F18a just isn’t supported (but the owner of the card before me managed to sort it somehow, sadly deceased) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Do you have a copy of the GROM0 code or know where he got the woking copy of it? Tony Knerr did his own 80-column GROM0 which differs from the Winkler 80-col GROM0. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Here is a copy of Tony's GROM0 (with a TIFILES header) TKG0 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Thanks. I think I need to understand whether the issue is in the DSR or GROM0 before I try loading alternative GROMS But the 40 column app has hardly any of the functions of the 80 column so I’m pretty screwed I think, so may have nothing to loose trying one of those GROMS anyway Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 14 hours ago, atrax27407 said: Here is a copy of Tony's GROM0 (with a TIFILES header) TKG0 8.38 kB · 1 download I'm a bit confused by this file When I use TIFilesTool to copy it to a DSK image it's 8196 bytes in size All the other GROM 0 files from SNUG are around 6144 (or so) I thought the GROM address space was >1800 or 6144 bytes (still new to this!) But I see in another thread I found that you have used the TKG0 with HSGPL Could you just confirm I'm not doing anything stupid before I try and write the image to my HSGPL please? Many thanks Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 The HSGPL supports GROM contents up to 8K to support all the GROM emulations out there. The contents of real GROMs are only 6K. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Just now, mizapf said: The HSGPL supports GROM contents up to 8K to allow for all the GROM emulations out there. The contents of real GROMs are only 6K. Thanks, does it seem correct that the file is 8196 bytes when 8k is 8192 bytes (iirc) please? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 The one thing I'm sure of now (well pretty sure at least!) is that the F18a for 80 column mode wasn't placed in GROM0 I tried loading TKG0 into 3rd Bank which left that bank corrupted which mean't as soon as I navigated to that bank on the start screen the machine crashed (Managed to restore it though from a backup I took of 2nd bank GROM0, was sweating for a while though) Given that FCTN-8 won't work with any of the banks selected I think it follows (as the other banks are original) that the mod isn't in there? However, if I could get a GROM0 that supports 80 column maybe I could run 80 column app from EA5 Any ideas why when I copy TKG0 to disk using TIFilesTool it seems 4 bytes too large or it gets corrupted please? Many thanks Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Atari2600PAL said: Thanks, does it seem correct that the file is 8196 bytes when 8k is 8192 bytes (iirc) please? The files are headered with 4 bytes. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Just now, mizapf said: The files are headered with 4 bytes. Can I do anything about that please? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 The 4 bytes are required for the HSGPL loader: Byte 0 = Target address (high byte) Byte 1 = ROM bank address and more files bit Byte 2, 3 = length Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Just now, mizapf said: The 4 bytes are required for the HSGPL loader: Byte 0 = Target address (high byte) Byte 1 = ROM bank address and more files bit Byte 2, 3 = length The linked TKG0 file must be corrupt or something then? I was able to repair the corrupt bank by saving/loading to/from floppy using another bank ok Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, Atari2600PAL said: The linked TKG0 file must be corrupt or something then? Erm, no, why? 000000: 00 00 20 00 aa 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 13 10 13 20 .. ............ 000010: 00 00 00 00 43 dc 44 3c 49 a9 43 96 43 9e 44 46 ....C.D<I.C.C.DF 000020: 44 49 44 4c 40 52 51 fe 4c 82 4d 59 4d b4 4e 64 DIDL@RQ.L.MYM.Nd 000030: 4e f9 4f 01 4f 5f 4f 80 43 ce 43 d6 05 4d 12 52 N.O.O_O.C.C..M.R 000040: 5e 44 17 05 28 44 05 37 b4 60 0d 00 11 00 43 c2 ^D..(D.7.`....C. 000050: 04 b4 06 b4 08 74 87 80 ce be 8f 11 00 70 be 81 .....t.......p.. 000060: 00 9f be 81 00 bf be 81 00 df be 81 00 ff bf 72 ...............r 000070: ff 7e 39 00 10 00 19 80 86 00 35 00 71 01 00 35 .~9.......5.q..5 ... Target address = 0000 Length = 2000 Then the GROM contents start with AA 02 ... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 18 minutes ago, mizapf said: Erm, no, why? 000000: 00 00 20 00 aa 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 13 10 13 20 .. ............ 000010: 00 00 00 00 43 dc 44 3c 49 a9 43 96 43 9e 44 46 ....C.D<I.C.C.DF 000020: 44 49 44 4c 40 52 51 fe 4c 82 4d 59 4d b4 4e 64 DIDL@RQ.L.MYM.Nd 000030: 4e f9 4f 01 4f 5f 4f 80 43 ce 43 d6 05 4d 12 52 N.O.O_O.C.C..M.R 000040: 5e 44 17 05 28 44 05 37 b4 60 0d 00 11 00 43 c2 ^D..(D.7.`....C. 000050: 04 b4 06 b4 08 74 87 80 ce be 8f 11 00 70 be 81 .....t.......p.. 000060: 00 9f be 81 00 bf be 81 00 df be 81 00 ff bf 72 ...............r 000070: ff 7e 39 00 10 00 19 80 86 00 35 00 71 01 00 35 .~9.......5.q..5 ... Target address = 0000 Length = 2000 Then the GROM contents start with AA 02 ... Because when loaded into GROM0 the boot select screen is corrupted when the bank is selected and the system hangs? All I'm doing is downloading the file, dragging it onto a new floppy image in tiimagetool, load the 40 column HSGPL loader app via EA5, choosing a bank, pointing it to the file, de-selecting all GROM/ROM and selecting GROM 0 then pressing L to load. It then gets listed as 'HEADER' (seems strange though) and on a reboot it's corrupt. But there's no problem loading another saved GROM0 to repair it Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5399985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Just looked at the file on my DSK image with TIDIR and it looks the same as yours, but just doesn't work when loaded into HSGPL I'll have a try with one of the other GROM0 files on SNUG Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5400011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Which DSR do you have loaded in the card? TKG0 is for 80-column cards. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5400015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Just now, atrax27407 said: Which DSR do you have loaded in the card? TKG0 is for 80-column cards. The HSGPL has 80 column loaded in DSR, but I use 40 column app via EA5 to use the loader The console has F18a The hang happens when you move thru the banks after first switching on, the loader app is always fine Not sure if that's what you mean please? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5400017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Ok, same thing is happening with other GROM0 I've tried, so not a corrupt file - Sorry for assuming that Am wondering if it's just a case that I'm moving from 1st Bank GROM0 and when it gets to the bank with the uploaded GROM0 they just aren't compatible (or shouldn't that matter?) Am loathe to load new GROM into the first bank (and second) as if it goes wrong I don't think there's an easy way to recover? BTW The current 1st bank GROM0 shows (c)1998 Alan Bray on the boot screen Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5400038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 can you download a copy here? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5400051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari2600PAL Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, atrax27407 said: can you download a copy here? This should be in TIFiles format (if I've done it right!) GROM0AB Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5400062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrax27407 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Thanks - does it work with the F18A and 80-columns? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/360328-hsgpl-80-column-problem/#findComment-5400063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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