I wish nintendo released the N64 in 1995 and both the gameboy advance & gamecube in 2000

[Video]

How would releasing a year earlier help though? Most systems, including Nintendo have a rather finite number of games available at launch anyways, and an earlier release would only hurt I believe.

 

Of listed, the only console that could have viable demo games is GameCube, as discs are cheap. I know now you can buy carts with dozens or hundreds of games on them, but that wouldn't really be doable at launch.

[dudeguy]

 

[Tanooki]

14 hours ago, Video said:

How would releasing a year earlier help though? Most systems, including Nintendo have a rather finite number of games available at launch anyways, and an earlier release would only hurt I believe.

 

Of listed, the only console that could have viable demo games is GameCube, as discs are cheap. I know now you can buy carts with dozens or hundreds of games on them, but that wouldn't really be doable at launch.

Yeah basically, and to be fair, two things more given actual history of both Nintendo and others.  When you prematurely pop off, as Sega learned with Saturn you piss off your major developers and they decide to turn on you like the snakes they are (EA) or give you the sloppy seconds treatment and you get stuff later, crappier.  Nintendo even got that with the PiiU when they were told by the groups of third parties they wanted them to have a me-too hardware setup like the PS3/360 had and when they said no, well...years old ports, broken ports, shoddy games with major bugs, endless snarky comments, etc.  The other and well it's localized homeland level example, Nintendo wasn't so anti-game copying ever in their history domestically.  Lawsons for years had kiosks for a few systems, and many more before hand with the Famicom with the Disk System.  You could go in and buy yellow disks with set games, or get blue discs (or write your yellow discs B side) and put games on them that were download only.  Ice Climber is a download only famicom game over there.  And after the FC kiosks was the Nintendo Power GB/SFC Memory kiosks and white cartridges.  They had a good large chunk of space so you could fit many smaller or 1-2 full size cart sized titles onto these things to play.  I've got a Gameboy one, it has Super Mario Bros Deluxe on it, which over there was only a download, not a retail title.  Nintendo *COULD* have done that here, but just didn't in the case of demo games or cheap sales for people to try out.

[johannesmutlu]

On 5/24/2024 at 7:06 PM, phoenixdownita said:

That is very disrespectful and it means you are selfish ‘cause you think only your time is valuable and let the readers deal with whatever, ‘cause their time is obviously worthless.

Haha 🤣🤣

[johannesmutlu]

9 hours ago, Tanooki said:

Yeah basically, and to be fair, two things more given actual history of both Nintendo and others.  When you prematurely pop off, as Sega learned with Saturn you piss off your major developers and they decide to turn on you like the snakes they are (EA) or give you the sloppy seconds treatment and you get stuff later, crappier. 

But did you know that many retailers did also got pissed on nintendo for delaying their N64 for so long? 

yes they did, as they already prepaired their space for the N64 but that delay costed them more time and money to be wasted and getting vaporized, heck even the intro of killer instinct in the arcade version did say in it’s into “availible for your home in 1995 only on the Nintendo ultra 64”

but sadly that didn’t happen,also the N64 was lately released on march 1 1997 in europe,

also the N64 did turned out to be not so powerful as stated in nintendo power and the hardware was also somewhat different then the arcade system, and i was also very astonished that the name  “ultra” was removed all because of konami owning that name,

yeah it’s understandible that nintendo had to ton things down to save on costs, but needless to say it’s not my favorite system as it turned out to be less cool then i trought to be, yes those screenshots of mario 64 demo were absolutely jaw dropping but that’s it, 

am sure there are lot’s of games wich i,ve missed out to be actually fun and impressive but i only got a few games for it wich i haven’t played for a loooong time.

but still i do believe that theres lots of potential in the hardware to push things up it’s it’s limit.

[+Sauron]

You guys are being way too hard on johannesmutlu. AA has always had its share of "special posters", and this one just so happens to be one of those. Yes, they take some time to get used to, but once you do all you can do is laugh along with them instead of getting riled up. 

 

As for the topic of this post....the OP is obviously smoking crack. The N64 had a whole whopping 2 launch games (at least here in the US) when it came out in September of 1996, and the next 6 months after only saw a trickle of releases. What do you propose that gamers should play for the first year after its release? Sorry, but just having some demos available wouldn't have tided anyone over. Releasing the system with no complete games wouldn't ensured an early death for it.

 

[dudeguy]

14 minutes ago, Sauron said:

You guys are being way too hard on johannesmutlu. AA has always had its share of "special posters", and this one just so happens to be one of those. Yes, they take some time to get used to, but once you do all you can do is laugh along with them instead of getting riled up. 

 

As for the topic of this post....the OP is obviously smoking crack. The N64 had a whole whopping 2 launch games (at least here in the US) when it came out in September of 1996, and the next 6 months after only saw a trickle of releases. What do you propose that gamers should play for the first year after its release? Sorry, but just having some demos available wouldn't have tided anyone over. Releasing the system with no complete games wouldn't ensured an early death for it.

 

The only thing that would've helped Nintendo is announcing in 1994 that their next platform would be CD-ROM based. I don't know if it would've meant Nintendo dominating the 5th Gen but it would've put Sony in closer territory with the 3DO, being a system that also has CDs but has violent/adult oriented games. I'm glad Nintendo went the route they did. We are still able to play video games from 1996 to 2000 because Nintendo put the games on a format that is actually reliable and not prone to scratches, laser lens that barely works

[Tanooki]

Look I went out and got my N64 the day is came out, and was a loyal NP sub since the Fun Club era so yeah, I knew the details, even from early era online like IGN64 (1995-96) and what little was around then.  Yeah they got mad, Nintendo delayed the system, then released with 2 games, none of which were third party titles, and they went with expensive carts that cost them like $20 of a loss just for chip costs to sell the games vs a few cents on a disc.

 

The N64 though was as powerful as they puffed it up to be, it just had two primary hang ups, lack of storage vs price, and a very small texture buffer which some less willing developers we'll call them decided to strech and blur textures on to save the little space they stupidly were given which coupled with the AA filter made them get the muddy visuals reputation.   KONAMI did NOT own the Ultra name, that was taken down due to a european company, I think it was German, having the rights to it and they didn't want to get sued or have to pay fees/rights to use it so it was dropped.  Ultra Games was not Ultra 64, not the same.

 

You clearly have little clue if what you're saying is your reality in that closing bit of that headache of a post.  There are a number of games you ignored because you already made up your mind without giving it a try.  And now looking back, it's very easy to see which they were, and there were quite a number vs the total # of games in the library as it is which likely also plays into some pretty annoying prices on some titles because of it.

 

 

But as @dudeguy said perfectly, Nintendo in hindsight perhaps did the right thing, at least from a long term players perspective.  Optical drives are finicky motors and lasers, the discs are flimsy, cheap, weak and rot fairly easy compared and as such are more a ticking time bomb and risk to keep unless you just like games on a shelf whether you can use them or not.  The N64 is utterly reliable, the console and those carts were built like a tank.  The only weak aspect of the system is the plastic 2 piece internal stick mechanism in the bowl they rest which can get sloppy over time from heavy hard jamming control abuse -- which Mario Party did hardcore, but you can get 1:1 replacement pieces for under a dollar now from kitsch-bent website.  They work, I've used them on controllers I found before.

[phoenixdownita]

27 minutes ago, dudeguy said:

We are still able to play video games from 1996 to 2000 because Nintendo put the games on a format that is actually reliable and not prone to scratches, laser lens that barely works

What are you... my PS2 has had access to plenty of original and burnt PS1 titles since I remember (mod chips were a thing pretty soon) ... yes discs will rot but roms fail too and for both we have copies, lots of them.

 

I don't think we have had any issues playing a whole lot of cd rom based games in modern times for any system that adopted that format, heck I can play iso on GameCube just fine with a 10us$ mod (yes those are technically mini DVDs).

 

Hope you don't regret MS/Sony/Nintendo moving to DVD and then MS/Sony to Blue Ray.

Edited May 26 by phoenixdownita

[dudeguy]

24 minutes ago, phoenixdownita said:

What are you... my PS2 has had access to plenty of original and burnt PS1 titles since I remember (mod chips were a thing pretty soon) ... yes discs will rot but roms fail too and for both we have copies, lots of them.

 

I don't think we have had any issues playing a whole lot of cd rom based games in modern times for any system that adopted that format, heck I can play iso on GameCube just fine with a 10us$ mod (yes those are technically mini DVDs).

 

Hope you don't regret MS/Sony/Nintendo moving to DVD and then MS/Sony to Blue Ray.

nah, it was inevitable to move everything to disc but the only reason people can still play old games (games meaning physical games) is because of the solid state nature of the hardware. I can't see many PS1s, Sega CDs, and 3DOs still working by the year 2040. I doubt they'll even make it to the year 2032 at the rate it's going. unless you want to "mod" the consoles.

Edited May 26 by dudeguy

[phoenixdownita]

15 minutes ago, dudeguy said:

nah, it was inevitable to move everything to disc but the only reason people can still play old games (games meaning physical games) is because of the solid state nature of the hardware. I can't see many PS1s, Sega CDs, and 3DOs still working by the year 2040. I doubt they'll even make it to the year 2032 at the rate it's going. unless you want to "mod" the consoles.

So it’s about the longevity of the physical media.

 

Honestly all my cart based consoles have a flash cart so (one exception for the 7800 that I skipped as I built manual low tech multi myself, but 2600 go via flash cart) … wrt CD ones for now I burn what I want to play (this spans from mega cd to Saturn etc..), DVD based ones (og Xbox, ps2, gc) are modded so there’s no need for a disc unless I want to, I have not yet touched my DC ‘cause I don’t care and also more modern stuff (ps3, xb360, …) is untouched for the same reason … but I can see myself using ODEs or modding as needed, aka the physical medias themselves are largely irrelevant to my playing abilities (and I have a MiSTer too as well as jailbroken SuperNt and MegaSg so even lots of actual hw is irrelevant if I want to) …

 

So toldif I want to resell the physical media I do have (I do own maybe 150-200 orig on cd/dvd/gd/wii+u and about the same on carts for 7800/2600/cv/jag/gba/ds), that’s a different topic, but I made peace with loosing all of it to the sand of time if I sit on it long enough. And resale is about money not gaming.

Edited May 27 by phoenixdownita

[Tanooki]

It's entirely about longevity, sustainability, and stability too.  When I last had a DC which wasn't that many years back I started seeing signs of where the age of the drive within a sooner than later period would cause an increasing level of more and more finicky media not working.  Some DC games even new were kind of bitchy making the drive really work harder, louder.  The Gamecube is designed similarly with overly compressed discs too, just mini dvd vs an over stuffed CD called a GDROM.  The Gamecube I had 2 towards the end, one was more of a beater I found, the other was a replacement for my original that kicked the bucket, no tuning would do much.  As it aged into its 20th year it started to like the DC get louder, take a little more time but not enough to get errors, more so shitty about the heavily compressed games that really loaded the disc out (and wasn't just dummy data, again like DC.)  It eventually would get bad about normal discs, then just croaked, and I had to get another, and that one while it held out it started after just a couple years of very light use compared to my original(not that I know the past original owners history of it for hours) getting loud again and the rest too.  That's when I chewed on it for a good year watching the shitty investor a-hole toxic nightmare the GC was 3 years beyond the virus when other stuff pushed back, it stayed up or worsened.  I had a fuck it moment in the first early second quarter of this year and sold it all off... I miss a few few titles, but the risks were there, and I was not going to have a shit ton of quality games I can't use and use some shitty micro-sd mod to run ISOs, nor was I going to trust yet another old drive.

 

My story isn't unique on certain systems more than others mind you, but the failures are increasing and I'd call it a more alarming rate over solid state chips as those going to ghost is rare when they're not just abused in some steaming hot swampy mess of an attic, a shed, etc.

[phoenixdownita]

1 hour ago, Tanooki said:

It's entirely about longevity, sustainability, and stability too.  When I last had a DC which wasn't that many years back I started seeing signs of where the age of the drive within a sooner than later period would cause an increasing level of more and more finicky media not working.  Some DC games even new were kind of bitchy making the drive really work harder, louder.  The Gamecube is designed similarly with overly compressed discs too, just mini dvd vs an over stuffed CD called a GDROM.  The Gamecube I had 2 towards the end, one was more of a beater I found, the other was a replacement for my original that kicked the bucket, no tuning would do much.  As it aged into its 20th year it started to like the DC get louder, take a little more time but not enough to get errors, more so shitty about the heavily compressed games that really loaded the disc out (and wasn't just dummy data, again like DC.)  It eventually would get bad about normal discs, then just croaked, and I had to get another, and that one while it held out it started after just a couple years of very light use compared to my original(not that I know the past original owners history of it for hours) getting loud again and the rest too.  That's when I chewed on it for a good year watching the shitty investor a-hole toxic nightmare the GC was 3 years beyond the virus when other stuff pushed back, it stayed up or worsened.  I had a fuck it moment in the first early second quarter of this year and sold it all off... I miss a few few titles, but the risks were there, and I was not going to have a shit ton of quality games I can't use and use some shitty micro-sd mod to run ISOs, nor was I going to trust yet another old drive.

 

My story isn't unique on certain systems more than others mind you, but the failures are increasing and I'd call it a more alarming rate over solid state chips as those going to ghost is rare when they're not just abused in some steaming hot swampy mess of an attic, a shed, etc.

I see your point but tbh none of the hw was planned and designed for a 20y+ life, I have a couple of Saturns here with original cd reader going strong and reaching almost 30y … that’s insane, granted they have not been played daily or even weekly at times in a long time but that’s the same for my pair of n64 or sms or genny or ps2 ….

 

So told yes cart based system usually last longer (media included) however I had to resolder the connector on a couple different systems with cracked joint, usually much easier than hunt for new transports or whole readers for the cd/dvd based hw but then again any consumer good that made it to the 10y mark has done pretty well imho, a US launch PlayStation was 299$, if it lasted 10y that’s 29.9$ a year or 2.5$ a month … that’s great value for me, and the price went down from there. 

 

I understand that it’s awesome when these systems reach the 30y or 40y mark but the games themselves (not necessarily the actual copies we bought way back when) are still playable, there are still enough systems that who wants to play on real hw can so we can’t be too mad.

 

My point being yes cart based system seems in general to outlast cd based ones but even them eventually die (solid state devices have their own issues, I do have a couple of actually dead rom carts), today we have plenty of ways to play those games including on still surviving hw (eventually though only via emu [fpga or sw or hybrid]) so we really only lost the resale value of what we held onto.

 

This is obviously just my opinion on the matter, I do get bummed when I find a broken cd, dvd, cart, controller, other gizmo or whole console in my physical collection but aside the monetary loss I can play all of the games still one way or another.

Edited May 27 by phoenixdownita

[dudeguy]

My consoles and discs go the distance. I wanna be like those guys you see driving cars from the 1910s, only with games 

[dudeguy]

the verbal abuse directed toward some of the people on this site is basically what discourages any sort of independent thought and is what pushes people into feeling pressured to have "the right opinion", I really hope the site doesn't continue down this direction as Id hate to see certain members leave the site for feeling disrespected

[johannesmutlu]

On 5/24/2024 at 10:25 AM, Wayler said:

Yes, that is....hmmmm....ok.........nope, moving along.

 

 

 

 

Just wildly off-topic but anyone else have situations were you have lots and lost of questions but really, really do not want to know the answers?

Hey sir what kind of phone is that? It’s a nokia 9210 wich was released in 2001 but i wish it was released in 2000 sothat we could use it when we really needed it.

could we also getting of topic with it when we do have a distance conversation with it with our friends sir?

yes we can.

great i want to have a nokia 9210 too because it’s definitely a cool and handy gedjet🤣

Edited July 19 by johannesmutlu

[Wayler]

Every thread is a "distance conversation" with you, we don't need Nokia 9210's for that. 

 

 

distance conversation

/ˈdɪs.təns/ /ˌkɑːn.vɚˈseɪ.ʃən/

talk between two or more people in which thoughts, feelings, and ideas are expressed but where one participant resides on the edge of reality, in the cross section between cohesion and carrots. 

[johannesmutlu]

7 minutes ago, Wayler said:

Every thread is a "distance conversation" with you, we don't need Nokia 9210's for that. 

 

 

distance conversation

/ˈdɪs.təns/ /ˌkɑːn.vɚˈseɪ.ʃən/

talk between two or more people in which thoughts, feelings, and ideas are expressed but where one participant resides on the edge of reality, in the cross section between cohesion and carrots. 

Well that nokia 9210 was just a joke althrough it’s still an appealing gedjet.

and yes these days we don’t need any nokia 9210 or palm |||c systems to communicate or to track down or scheduals etc…

these days it can be all done with our iphone.

But still it’s cool to get back and relive the 2000’s once again that way😁

[roots.genoa]

So you were not banned? Well, I guess only "the other guy" got banned. 😉

[johannesmutlu]

1 hour ago, roots.genoa said:

So you were not banned? Well, I guess only "the other guy" got banned. 😉

Yep,

by the way, i readed a while ago that somebody claimed that i was banned from this site for 3 years or something like that.

i was amezed like “huh how could that be”

but as it turns out, i was only moderated for 8 years.

but then the moderater system on me was for some reason disabled.

but once i got accused by other members for being “abusive” against other members, i did got remoderated again.

and while i was not being frustrated at first glance, but once i wanted to bring up a certain topic without getting any pass, it started to getting frustrating because of doing my best for nothing.

So eventhrough i was warned that in case i will come with another account, that i then will get blocked permanently.

And that’s the whole story.

 

 

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

1 hour ago, johannesmutlu said:

Yep,

by the way, i readed a while ago that somebody claimed that i was banned from this site for 3 years or something like that.

i was amezed like “huh how could that be”

but as it turns out, i was only moderated for 8 years.

but then the moderater system on me was for some reason disabled.

but once i got accused by other members for being “abusive” against other members, i did got remoderated again.

and while i was not being frustrated at first glance, but once i wanted to bring up a certain topic without getting any pass, it started to getting frustrating because of doing my best for nothing.

So eventhrough i was warned that in case i will come with another account, that i then will get blocked permanently.

And that’s the whole story.

 

 

Thanks for clearing it up...........

 

[+bent_pin]

2 hours ago, johannesmutlu said:

Yep,

by the way, i readed a while ago that somebody claimed that i was banned from this site for 3 years or something like that.

i was amezed like “huh how could that be”

but as it turns out, i was only moderated for 8 years.

but then the moderater system on me was for some reason disabled.

but once i got accused by other members for being “abusive” against other members, i did got remoderated again.

and while i was not being frustrated at first glance, but once i wanted to bring up a certain topic without getting any pass, it started to getting frustrating because of doing my best for nothing.

So eventhrough i was warned that in case i will come with another account, that i then will get blocked permanently.

And that’s the whole story.

 

 

[Razzie.P]

If flashing images like that really can trigger a seizures in people, then I'd say that's about the biggest "douche move" post I've ever seen on here and should be deleted, at the very least.  I'm not epileptic, but seeing that pop up in the dark here kinda hurts the ol' eyes a bit.

 

 

[Wayler]

Yea, it's not some urban legend, those things can be nasty. That is why the seizure / flashing lights warning has been on video games for ages.