Reissues of third party 7800 titles, How realistic do you think that possibility is?

[Giles N]

6 minutes ago, ukiha said:

I've played Atari games on and off most of my life due to my parents, with me wanting to learn more about the games,

Well, so just to get a wider impression of your own likings for games, what are your top 10 games for any system (everything from home-computers to Arcades to the most recent generation of consoles, 8-bit, 16-bit, - everything inbetween. Just top ten games)?

[Maztr_0n]

7 hours ago, Giles N said:

Just throwing in here, that GnG, and MegaMan are probably expensive to get licenses for, or at least not ‘free’.
GnG have 1.st level demo and I don’t think anything MegaMan-like exists for the 7800 in demo/homebrew scene. 
I would guess Ikari Warriors would at least cost some money, but then you have the paperwork, and - if you by ‘Ikari II’ means a new game - someone would have to create it; coding, music, graphics and all. Some production costs right there.

BomberMan would cost money, and if  there was a demo put out somewhere (I usually only browse or briefly test half-made demos, I may remember wrong), it would have to be fully completed and playtested.

 

If Atari wants to go for spending bigger money on licensed runs, either directly or partnering with a 3rd party company doing cart reproductions and other release-formats that could help advance interest in Ataris retro-systems (the 2600+, and possibly a 2600/7800 games module for Playmajis Polymega console), they should first secure licenses for already completed games known for their high quality, genuine retro-value or that it generates some Atari-does-what-Nintendidn’t-effect’. Secure linced runs for Rikki & Vikki, 1942, Toki, Pac Man Collection (even if had to be a re-arranged version where certain levels would have to be redesigned to use ‘actual real-Pac-Man Namco-levels - old or new), Super Pac-Man, Jr. Pac-Man.

Actually, - I think it would cost less (even if much) to get licensed re-runs done, than getting a license for an incomplete game which then needed additional production to be completed (payment for workhours of the devs).

oh yeah, mega man does have a 2600 homebrew but not 7800 sadly

I think a port of Victory Road/Ikari II with atarivox or pokey sound chip would be really cool, i just hope if it proves to be a market, that third parties would want to try to bring their older experiences to the platform.

oh and i'm 100% sure that repressings would come first.

[Maztr_0n]

7 hours ago, Giles N said:

Well, so just to get a wider impression of your own likings for games, what are your top 10 games for any system (everything from home-computers to Arcades to the most recent generation of consoles, 8-bit, 16-bit, - everything inbetween. Just top ten games)?

might put mine here as well

 

1- Sims 2 (PC)
2- Half-Life (PC)
3- Minecraft (PC/360/3DS)
4- Garrys Mod (PC)
5- Red Faction Guerilla (Switch)
6- Saints Row 2 (Xbox 360)
7- GTA Vice City Stories (PSP)

8- GTA San Andreas (PS2/PC)
9- The Sims (PS2/Xbox/GCN)

10- Ikari Warriors (Arcade//7800)

these are the ones i can think of off the top of my head, mainly modern stuff, and mainly kinda sandbox/simulation titles but yeah.

[Giles N]

32 minutes ago, Maztr_0n said:

10- Ikari Warriors (Arcade//7800)

these are the ones i can think of off the top of my head, mainly modern stuff, and mainly kinda sandbox/simulation titles but yeah.

How did you come across Atari and the 7800…?

[Maztr_0n]

28 minutes ago, Giles N said:

How did you come across Atari and the 7800…?

Atari Flashback from the dollar store.

 

Cant go wrong with em, and since that AVGN video about ikari warriors was hilarious i had to try the "ikari atari" versions, the 7800 version was fun in the browser so, yesss.

[KrunchyTC]

Yeah, the 7800 version is much better than the NES version for sure 😁 

[Giles N]

3 hours ago, Maztr_0n said:

ikari warriors was hilarious i had to try the "ikari atari" versions, the 7800 version was fun in the browser so, yesss.

… and now? Are you collecting* for the 7800, - or would you be interested in doing that, be it that more of older third-party games got some rerelease or licensed run(s)…?

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* hardware stuff, carts,

(emu-)consoles and what-not…?

[Maztr_0n]

14 minutes ago, Giles N said:

… and now? Are you collecting* for the 7800, - or would you be interested in doing that, be it that more of older third-party games got some rerelease or licensed run(s)…?

—

* hardware stuff, carts,

(emu-)consoles and what-not…?

Yes, i have a 2600+, i am very interested in the platform, and honestly. I think the support atari is giving to their old platforms is a big motivator for me to try a 7800 collection.

I think for many young people it would be, we like these games, we dont want to replace our PS5s with them but we want them right beside them to pick up and play, just have fun, but not all of us are all that committed to recapping old hardware, modding it to have a different output, finding a CRT TV, possibly modding that or trying not to break it if, say you have an issue that requires going to the service manual, etc.

And obviously many of us dont have the "luxury" of being able to find our "old collection" or sometimes even asking our families about it, so our collection starts from square one, and it sucks having to try to find a copy of your favorite 7800 games for a less absurd price, or trying to find out how to make your own PCB, Cartridge, Label or using a flashcart (i dunno if 2600+ even supports that yet).

so all of that helps, not to mention the fact that homebrew for 7800, while it isn't a huge as something like Game Boy afaik, it is pretty active, and there are useful tools to make approaching development less "scary" and more modern, and on the game boy, i think for my age demographic in terms of retro gaming, thats basically the #1 popular system, likely because it was massively available, had basically any game of any genre at the time (Action, Adventure, RPG, Simulation, Strategy, etc), and is just really accessible. And basically none of it was for nostalgia for them, just that it was cool.

 

The 7800 may not be as lucky as the game boy in terms of accessibility, but i think now is absolutely its chance. Atari seems to actually want to keep these old systems going, and with homebrew, the skys the limit, making the 2600+ as accessible as possible will grow this community and already many here are super experienced so eventually over time as newbies learn to be pros, they'll fill in the gaps of genres, and already theres amazing homebrew and ports like 1942 and Jr. Pac Man, with time, i think the 7800 especially could become universal in retro gaming.



also yeah i am so struggling with trying to get Ikari 7800 without selling my kidney, i just figure if SNK will let HAMSTER fill the ps4 and switch stores with $7 arcade titles, i dont think they or at least a few other companies would be against a reasonable deal to repress stuff, release/fund homebrew ports, to a point where the 2600/7800 will be seen as "really great retro platforms" and at least 1 kid in a school would be an Atarian.




and for you wondering how its going, i think a friend of mine is going to give me some 7800 stuff, which is cool. I am very grateful for it.

[Giles N]

23 minutes ago, Maztr_0n said:

The 7800 may not be as lucky as the game boy in terms of accessibility, but i think now is absolutely its chance. Atari seems to actually want to keep these old systems going, and with homebrew, the skys the limit, making the 2600+ as accessible as possible will grow this community

Yes, - now is the chance, and if Atari cannot make a rereleaee license-run program/project themselves, partnerimg with some company doing that, selling re-pressings for the 2600+, would be a way to create synergy of interest.

 

23 minutes ago, Maztr_0n said:

a flashcart (i dunno if 2600+ even supports that yet).

I believe only the out-of-print Dragonfly-flashcart works as of now, because it uses an independent power-supply, which allows the ROM  presented to be changed. Not sure about the how the hardware technicalities work here.

You can (if you haven’t) ask in the 2600+ firmware update threads.

 

 

Edited June 29 by Giles N

[Maztr_0n]

and to add on to what i mean its like.


Young People (at least those my age like young adults and teenagers) know stuff like game cartridges, floppy disks, cassette tapes, VCRs, CRTs, Atari, CD Walkman, etc and some of us are genuinely enthusiastic about these things, i mean we were in the latter part of those technologies, even if for only the first 5 years of our lives we "had the experience of them at home" there was always the local kids who had CRT tvs in their room or you'd find a walkman in a box in the attic, and our parents and even cartoon makers were the ones who grew up on all of that in the peak of those technologies


I'm gonna guess most americans in their early 20's late teens who recognize the Sega Master System recognize it from Regular Show.


In a way, a lot of us enjoy "old stuff" as a complimentary item to the modern equivalent, like we aren't going to use a Walkman over Spotify most of the time, but its sometimes cool to do that.

I think the appeal that systems like Game Boy have to younger folks, besides "Nintendo" and all those IPs is the fact that there was a version of many popular titles of the day and of many genres on Game Boy, so your library or wantlist would be different from somebody elsesm besides, like Pokemon or something like that.

So effectively seeing more NES classics, RPGs, Simulation/Strategy titles as well as the old Atari Classics is a really good way to do what Nintenwont, "Our classic console plays cartridges, others dont" stuff like that. At least speaking as a young person in this community, if we could just get 1 Main retro console for most of our retro fix, we'd do so, so i see the 2600+/7800 as that possible system.

And no i'm not saying "we need to do absurd demakes like the game boy/advance has, ya know like Disco Elysum, Dark Souls, Tomb Raider, Minecraft, HellDivers 2, Among Us, etc (or even the official ones like Resident Evil, Diablo or GTA)" it's just something that i'm saying as someone in the younger age group that seems to work.

[Maztr_0n]

1 minute ago, Giles N said:

Yes, - now is the chance, and if Atari cannot make a rereleaee license-run program/project themselves, partnerimg with some company doing that, selling re-pressings for the 2600+, would be a way to create synergy of interest.

 

 

I'm also thinking, since stuff like Grimace's Birthday has happened, what is stopping Atari from making deals about doing 7800 games? A company can put a retro game on their website VIA an emulator and then offer the rom, OR A SPECIAL CARTRIDGE OF THEIR GAME, i'm not expecting McDonalds or Pepsi Invaders or anything like that but its also a possibility that Atari could take advantage of.

[Maztr_0n]

also weirdly i might say,



Ikari Warriors, Dark Chambers, Ghosts and Goblins, 1942, Rescue on Fractalus and especially Water Ski would be the most compelling for like the zoomers, I know fractalus was only 50% complete on 7800 but, damn it deserves to be finished, and some are homebrews but Water Ski by Froggo from what i hear about it just sounds like a classic flash game that lets players would play all the damn time.

Atari Re-Releasing Water-Ski and idk... sending some youtubers (some who dont even cover atari but sometimes do retro like Scott The Woz) a copy of Water Ski with the 2600+ could do surprising numbers...

[Giles N]

23 minutes ago, Maztr_0n said:

also yeah i am so struggling with trying to get Ikari 7800 without selling my kidney,

Well, prepare for

 

 

…if you really want Ikari…

 

[Maztr_0n]

1 minute ago, Giles N said:

Well, prepare for

 

 

…if you really want Ikari…

 

I'm prepared for Rambo Commando, White Chocolate Bars and Scrotum Guns...

[Giles N]

10 minutes ago, Maztr_0n said:

Ikari Warriors, Dark Chambers, Ghosts and Goblins, 1942, Rescue on Fractalus and especially Water Ski would be the most compelling for like the zoomers

Well, I understand most of these, but Water Ski very tough to navigate…?

 

Why is that attractive to zoomers do you think?

 

Froggo also released their own top-down war game: Tank Command.

A bit more on the strategical side, quite generic, but I don’t see why Atari or its partner wouldn’t to secure both… 

 

…but, sure, not at the expense of getting 1942 properly out there.

 

I’ve even wondered if a partial

crowdfunding thing for some sought-after title could be way to start? I believe the Modern VCS was released through those means.
 

But it’s just a thought, and a solid 3rd party company partnering with Atari to do releases that would increase Ataris 2600+ sales the next fiscal year, would probably be better…

[Maztr_0n]

22 hours ago, Giles N said:

Well, I understand most of these, but Water Ski very tough to navigate…?

 

Why is that attractive to zoomers do you think?

 

as a zoomer, its because of flash games, it used to be big when we were younger to see people on youtube play CatMario, The Impossible Quiz, I Wanna Be The Guy, The Impossible Game, QWOP, etc.

It has the most Flash Game energy to me, for THAT REASON, thus i genuinely think as a rage bait game it would be perfect for re-release, if we're joking about "making thee 2600+ go viral" then getting youtubers to play Water Ski is probably the best way, or heck maybe these days you get atari to hook up Vinesause or Jerma985 on twitch to do an atari playthrough.

i think youtuber FrameRater also compared the game to Rage Bait games as a reason for it holding up, as long as its marketed as some kind of Rage/Foddian esque experience then, i see no reason why it cannot release again.

Edited June 30 by Maztr_0n

[ukiha]

On 6/29/2024 at 7:15 PM, Giles N said:

Well, so just to get a wider impression of your own likings for games, what are your top 10 games for any system (everything from home-computers to Arcades to the most recent generation of consoles, 8-bit, 16-bit, - everything inbetween. Just top ten games)?

A tough one to answer, I don't think I could come up with ten on the spot without really sitting there for a while, but Milestone's shmups for the Sega Naomi would be in my top three.

 

Otherwise I spent far too much time playing Gauntlet and Rampart with my father, great arcade games.

 

Maybe sometime I'll think up a true top ten...

[Maztr_0n]

the irony is the 2600+ kinda opens up a kind of new market... ironically a budget one, budget retro gaming... And normally that... thats a funny joke but, its almost possible now with 7800/2600, and thats exciting.

[Giles N]

3 hours ago, Maztr_0n said:

And normally that... thats a funny joke but, its

 

    almost possible now

 

with 7800/2600, and thats exciting.

…such markets will be as strong as the availability of the best games, most fun games, most sought after games…

 

If rereleases of rare gems or WayTooExpensive 2600 & 7800 games, gets going in addition to new titles/games with retro-vibes or actual licenses, something new could happen - a second official in-market period for these old systems, with a new status as ‘reborn/revived as re-continued Cult-System’.

Edited July 5 by Giles N

[jerseystyle]

Just bring back Super Skateboardin’. When I realized you could end the game early by jumping off the roof… good times.

[Maztr_0n]

57 minutes ago, Giles N said:

…such markets will be as strong as the availability of the best games, most fun games, most sought after games…

 

If rereleases of rare gems or WayTooExpensive 2600 & 7800 games, gets going in addition to new titles/games with retro-vibes or actual licenses, something new could happen - a second official in-market period for these old systems, with a new status as ‘reborn/revived as re-continued Cult-System’.

Yes. And i think it's got that. At least in some capacity.

[Maztr_0n]

11 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

Just bring back Super Skateboardin’. When I realized you could end the game early by jumping off the roof… good times.

Both Skateboardin' Entries were bussin' If atari doesn't own Absolute, they're absolutely missing out on that... and Super Battletank...

Majesco ported that game to EVERYTHING, even the game gear IN 2001... and then repackaged it to be about iraq war in 2003 for the GBA, so... C'mon atari! Skateboardin' Collection + Super Battletank 7800 (War in the Donbass)

[Maztr_0n]

honestly Absolute, ya just can't go wrong with.

I swear Majesco hasn't touched Battletank since Saddam first and last watched South Park, The Activision side might also be more willing to give up Skateboardin' compared to pitfall...

[Bakasama]

46 minutes ago, Maztr_0n said:

Both Skateboardin' Entries were bussin' If atari doesn't own Absolute, they're absolutely missing out on that... and Super Battletank...

Majesco ported that game to EVERYTHING, even the game gear IN 2001... and then repackaged it to be about iraq war in 2003 for the GBA, so... C'mon atari! Skateboardin' Collection + Super Battletank 7800 (War in the Donbass)

I remember Absolute was owned by Activision at the time.

[Maztr_0n]

20 minutes ago, Bakasama said:

I remember Absolute was owned by Activision at the time.

i just know somehow Absolute's assets relating to Garry Kitchen's Super Battletank were owned by majesco around 1999-2004?