Bubsy: Purrfect Collection - no Jaguar Bubsy?

[doctorclu]

Hey Atari owned Atariage.com, can you confirm one question:

 

Will Bubsy: Fractured Furry Tales be in the upcoming Bubsy: Purrfect Collection?

[famicommander]

Obviously not. They wouldn't show screenshots for every retro game in the series except for the only one that ever appeared on an Atari platform if they had any plans (or the ability) to release said Atari version.

[doctorclu]

 

I will simply state, as apparently Atari owns these forums and hopefully reads these threads, that a Bubsy: Purrfect Collection would be amiss not to have Bubsy: Fractured Furry Tales.  Been a fan of Bubsy since 1999 when I first got my Atari Jaguar.  While I'm a fan of the Bubsy franchise, that love started with the Bubsy game on the Atari Jaguar.  And from there created the Bubsy Bobcat Fan Blog way back in 2006 which has had 314,000 views and 290 articles.  I enjoy a lot of the Bubsy list of games, but had a focus on the Jaguar game and have enjoyed meeting the game's developers.

 

There seem to be those, mostly due to the cost of obtaining a Jaguar setup and also partly due to the fact that there were some aspects of the game that could have been better polished, that like to write off the Jaguar Bubsy game from the franchise.  Much like in Aesop's fables on the tree that was too high to reach and written off as "sour grapes". But there are also quite a few Bubsy players that want to experience Atari's unique addition to the Bubsy collection.  Many would like to be able to play Fractured Furry Tales on a Playstation 4 and 5, along with Steam, and the means of emulation exist for those platforms.

Atari developed the game and own the rights to Accolade and it's properties.   Hopefully Atari has not found any challenges to include their own game, or worse, for whatever reason would exclude this from the Bubsy library of games.

[famicommander]

You've put more thought into that post alone than anyone ever put into any Bubsy game including the developers. You're the only person who's even going to notice or care that the Jag game is missing. It's a forgotten franchise with no good games in it. 

[+jeremiahjt]

3 hours ago, famicommander said:

You've put more thought into that post alone than anyone ever put into any Bubsy game including the developers. You're the only person who's even going to notice or care that the Jag game is missing. It's a forgotten franchise with no good games in it. 

What an idiotic statement. Plenty of people enjoy the Bubsy games, or at least some of them, including me. If there were really no good games in the franchise, then this new collection would not have been made. The Bubsy Two-fur collection would not have been made either. Heck, if the first game didn't at least have a fair amount of fans, then the sequel would not have been made.

[+Neon Wraith]

3 hours ago, famicommander said:

You've put more thought into that post alone than anyone ever put into any Bubsy game including the developers. You're the only person who's even going to notice or care that the Jag game is missing. It's a forgotten franchise with no good games in it. 

Wow, you're just a ray of fuckin' sunshine, aren't you.  I believe I have said this to you before but, perhaps, judging from your screen name, you might be more at home HERE, or somewhere else on the web.  I'm no fan of Bubsy, but I'm not going to shit on someone else's joy.

[Austin]

I am not a fan of the Bubsy games nor will be buying the collection, but I do find it extremely odd that the Jaguar game will not be in it and think it should be.

[+jeremiahjt]

My original thought was that Atari did not own the rights to Jaguar Bubsy In: Fractured Furry Tails. The original impetus for this idea was the fact that the Jaguar game was not mentioned with the rest of the Bubsy games when Atari sold the Bubsy games back in 2013 or 2014.

 

I have asked multiple people from Atari if Atari owns Jaguar Bubsy, but I have never received any response to my queries.

 

When this collection was announced without Jaguar Bubsy, it seemed to confirm my suspicions, but somebody else did give a possible reason for Jaguar Bubsy's absence. The company responsible for the development of this collection might not have the ability to emulate Jaguar games.

[Video]

Well if it was just emu, doesnt Atari own, or at least have access to the emulators? The other bubsy collection topic discussed this quite a bit, no jag bubsy, and the two new ones, seems an oversight for a "purrfect collection" heck, I even picked up the dmg game after being made aware it existed (its alright, not great)

 

What the? No fans? I'm totally a fan, and while the first two were definite favorites, especially bitd, the absence of the jag and modern ones is just perplexing. Oh well, ill still get it, may be interesting to see how crap (or overblown crap) the 3d one really is.

[doctorclu]

Thanks for all the comments.  The honest one, but also good to hear the support for the inclusion of the Jaguar Bubsy game from fans and non-fans alike.

 

52 minutes ago, jeremiahjt said:

My original thought was that Atari did not own the rights to Jaguar Bubsy In: Fractured Furry Tails. The original impetus for this idea was the fact that the Jaguar game was not mentioned with the rest of the Bubsy games when Atari sold the Bubsy games back in 2013 or 2014.

 

I have asked multiple people from Atari if Atari owns Jaguar Bubsy, but I have never received any response to my queries.

 

When this collection was announced without Jaguar Bubsy, it seemed to confirm my suspicions, but somebody else did give a possible reason for Jaguar Bubsy's absence. The company responsible for the development of this collection might not have the ability to emulate Jaguar games.

 

It's interesting, when Billionsoft owned Bubsy to make the 2017 and 2019 games, Bubsy In Fractured Furry Tales was listed on the Bubsy timeline.

 

43 minutes ago, Video said:

Well if it was just emu, doesnt Atari own, or at least have access to the emulators? The other bubsy collection topic discussed this quite a bit, no jag bubsy, and the two new ones, seems an oversight for a "purrfect collection" heck, I even picked up the dmg game after being made aware it existed (its alright, not great)

 

What the? No fans? I'm totally a fan, and while the first two were definite favorites, especially bitd, the absence of the jag and modern ones is just perplexing. Oh well, ill still get it, may be interesting to see how crap (or overblown crap) the 3d one really is.

Quite a fan.  Had to think about "bitd" which I realized was "Bubsy In Three D"?  An the .dmg would be the spoof of Bubsy 3D otherwise known as....

 

 

It's looking more and more the Bubsy collection will bring Bubsy 1, Bubsy 2, and Bubsy 3D to new platforms.  That would be pretty cool.  We already have Paws on Fire (2019) on a good variety of places (PS4/PS5, Steam, Switch), Woolies Strike Back would be nice to have on Switch.  The Jaguar version though needs to be on more platfomrs than just the Jaguar.  😳

 

[Austin]

13 hours ago, jeremiahjt said:

When this collection was announced without Jaguar Bubsy, it seemed to confirm my suspicions, but somebody else did give a possible reason for Jaguar Bubsy's absence. The company responsible for the development of this collection might not have the ability to emulate Jaguar games.

Yet the Jaguar emulator is used in, what I assume is, multiple compilations (Atari 50 and Jeff Minter packs). It's weird to me.

[roots.genoa]

21 hours ago, doctorclu said:

Had to think about "bitd" which I realized was "Bubsy In Three D"?

I'm pretty sure "bitd" means "back in the days". 😅

[doctorclu]

31 minutes ago, roots.genoa said:

I'm pretty sure "bitd" means "back in the days". 😅

smh

 

23 hours ago, Video said:

Oh well, ill still get it, may be interesting to see how crap (or overblown crap) the 3d one really is.

Never tried Bubsy 3D yet?   As part of the franschise as a character Bubsy is the underdog in this game since he was kidnapped and just trying to get home.  Helps him be bit more likeable than the jerk he can be other in other Bubsy games (Bubsy II, Paws on Fire).  Has some fun cutscenes and a bigger variety of death animations which was one of the original selling points for Bubsy in the first two games.  Gameplay is clunky with the tank controls but some fun to be had.  Got through the first quarter of the game.  If in the collection I'd play it a bit more.

 

[Video]

Yes, "bitd" was "back in the day" early to mid 90's I was all over bubsy games, but the PlayStation one never made it here, and the internet of the era wasn't like it is now, so I couldn't just order or eBay one or I would have. By the time those became options I was onto other things and forgot about it. "Dmg" was gameboy, lot of us handheld crew call it that shorthand as most have a dmg designation as part of their serial number, or the "dot matrix video" plastered across the top of the original units.

 

Tank controls, eew. What was the fascination with tank controls in early 3d games anyways? (Tombraider, resident evil) oh well, maybe fixing controls is part of updating that they were talking about? I just assumed any updating was adding higher resolution graphics since the early ones, while great for their time, ran at 320x240. Not exactly "HD ready" don't know about the jag one, might have been higher resolution, as it supported composite AND component out of the box, but I'd only ever played on SD TV.

[JPF997]

Do we have confirmation that Bubsy 3D is going to be fixed/improved upon for this rerelease? You know stuff like making the game run at 60 fps, improved texture quality , smother gameplay/animations, add in cut content that never made it to the original release?

I think this rerelease would be the perfect opportunity to turn Bubsy 3D into a legitimately fun 3d platforming game as it was always supposed to be, it would be a shame if it was just the original broken PS1 version that got ported over to new systems.

Edited August 5 by JPF997

[MrMaddog]

On 8/4/2024 at 5:08 PM, Video said:

Well if it was just emu, doesnt Atari own, or at least have access to the emulators? The other bubsy collection topic discussed this quite a bit, no jag bubsy, and the two new ones, seems an oversight for a "purrfect collection" heck, I even picked up the dmg game after being made aware it existed (its alright, not great)

 

 

That could be the issue... Bubsy Collection is being done by Limited Run Games and not Digital Eclispe, so they might not have access to the same Jag emulator.

 

I was hoping that for Atari 50 Extended they would have a seperate chapter with Accolade games like they will with the Intellivision stuff.

[+jeremiahjt]

Guys, he knows what bitd and dmg are. It was a joke.

[+swlovinist]

Have to admit that not having the Jaguar version of Bubsy is a disappointment with the collection.   

[Video]

21 hours ago, jeremiahjt said:

Guys, he knows what bitd and dmg are. It was a joke.

I assumed, but its sometimes hard to tell jokes and sarcasm online.

 

Mad props that his definition actually fits, Bubsy In Three D LOL

 

Yeah, bubsy 3d looks like it would have been at home on Jaguar, rather than PlayStation. But while slow gameplay games can get away with it, tank controls just don't do it for anything even remotely resembling an actiony platformer.

[Giles N]

They need to understand that Bubsy isn’t a game/franchise that sells ridiculous amounts just because it contains ‘something intended to conceptually be akin to Sonic or Mario’. 
 

It’s not the 90ies anylonger, and if IP have collected dust on a shelf, don’t just dust it off and try to resell.

 
Please, give it a good polish - like with tarnished silver which have stood for years.

 

And if its more bronze or iron than silver; get a smith to rework some of dirty, stained parts, get someone to jerk free what’re rust-jammed…

 

Give them some heavy duty remastering, and let some DE hacker spin some new levels.

 

Let Nightdive handle Bubsy 3D (at their nigthshifts). 
 

Throw in original Jag-Bubsy as Atari 50th DLC in some future thingy.

 

Let both original Jag.-Bubs and ‘Jag-Bubsy: The Offical Fuzzy Remake’ be found on this upcoming Bubsy Fest.

 

Atari can will to impact with some focus and attention to what, lets say, - conceptually 75-90% of Atari- and general retro-game fans would love to buy, or already are seen buying in real life…

… or they could go for  just sort-of hangin’ in there, with mediocre new-games with little depth and fullness, just generic game-frames hidden behind some thin make-up visuals.

 

 

 

 

[Jinroh]

2 hours ago, Giles N said:

They need to understand that Bubsy isn’t a game/franchise that sells ridiculous amounts just because it contains ‘something intended to conceptually be akin to Sonic or Mario’. 
 

It’s not the 90ies anylonger, and if IP have collected dust on a shelf, don’t just dust it off and try to resell.

 
Please, give it a good polish - like with tarnished silver which have stood for years.

 

And if its more bronze or iron than silver; get a smith to rework some of dirty, stained parts, get someone to jerk free what’re rust-jammed…

 

Give them some heavy duty remastering, and let some DE hacker spin some new levels.

 

Let Nightdive handle Bubsy 3D (at their nigthshifts). 
 

Throw in original Jag-Bubsy as Atari 50th DLC in some future thingy.

 

Let both original Jag.-Bubs and ‘Jag-Bubsy: The Offical Fuzzy Remake’ be found on this upcoming Bubsy Fest.

 

Atari can will to impact with some focus and attention to what, lets say, - conceptually 75-90% of Atari- and general retro-game fans would love to buy, or already are seen buying in real life…

… or they could go for  just sort-of hangin’ in there, with mediocre new-games with little depth and fullness, just generic game-frames hidden behind some thin make-up visuals.

Agreed, I too love me some Bubsy. Would love to see that crazy Bobcat given the red carpet treatment, but the trend just seems to be.

 

"OMG REMEMBER THAT THING! YOU CAN PLAY IT ON XYZ CONSOLE/MACHINE! BUY IT FOR $10+ BECAUSE WE SLAPPED THE ROMS IN AN OPEN SOURCE EMULATOR!"

 

So not expecting too much. xP

Edited August 19 by Jinroh

[PlutoniumPasta]

1 hour ago, Jinroh said:

 

"OMG REMEMBER THAT THING! YOU CAN PLAY IT ON XYZ CONSOLE/MACHINE! BUY IT FOR $10+ BECAUSE WE SLAPPED THE ROMS IN AN OPEN SOURCE EMULATOR!"

If their $10 ROM console sells enough, they'll make another one with 2 more games and swap out the AV cables for HDMI.

Edited August 19 by PlutoniumPasta

[The Helper]

Think I still have 2 copies of Jaguar Bubsy.  Never got passed the first level of that game.  One hit death bullshit.

[Giles N]

5 hours ago, The Helper said:

Think I still have 2 copies of Jaguar Bubsy.  Never got passed the first level of that game.  One hit death bullshit.

Yes, Bubsy should’ve been able to collect cat-toy balls, up to 50, which gave him an extra hit as long as he managed to keep at least one, or find find a CatNip Power Pill, which makes him take a second hit (or ear his enemies, preferably).

I think these are a very highly original and novel ideas, fitting the genre well in style.

 

 

Which other things makes the game less of a jewel?

 

How is the crash-detection? Sharp or sluggish?

 

How is the camera/placement of main character sprite-on-screen as it scrolls/stops (in level corners)? Do you get a good sense of seeing where you’re supposed to go/land?

 

How is the frame-rate? Smooth? Jerky?

 

How is the speed of things happening? Fair/unfair?

 

 

 

 

[GoldLeader]

6 hours ago, The Helper said:

Think I still have 2 copies of Jaguar Bubsy.  Never got passed the first level of that game.  One hit death bullshit.

 

 

Sounds Awful!

 

I bet you'd like to sell me one of those copies cheap!

 

TBH,  if you do,  let me know.  

 

(I haven't heard too much good about it,  but still would like to try it,  even if there's one too many dimensions for my usual taste)