pixelmischief Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 I've got a 1MB ICD MIO and I'd like to finally put a "drive" on it. My first thoughts are toward SCSI2SD or BlueSCSI. Can anyone offer their experience with this and recommendations for a solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 I've got a SCSI2SD on mine and it's been working for the last 3-4 years just fine. I do have issues/conflicts with the SIDE3 cart (didn't have any with SIDE2) so there's something going on there, but otherwise it works fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 6 minutes ago, tuf said: I do have issues/conflicts with the SIDE3 cart I have trouble with my MIO and the SIDE3 in general. I also don't have any problems with SIDE2 and the MIO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 7 minutes ago, tuf said: I've got a SCSI2SD on mine and it's been working for the last 3-4 years just fine. Can you give me a basic rundown on how you prepped it and how you generally use the "disks"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 36 minutes ago, pixelmischief said: Can you give me a basic rundown on how you prepped it and how you generally use the "disks"? Sure. on the Atari I've got the MIO SCSI set up as a single partition that lives on D7: and a RAMDisk that lives on D8: that I rarely use. All my SIDE drives are configured as D3: thru D6: and those are what I use primarily. I use the MIO's D7: as a backup/mirror of my main setup, so that if I'm using the SIDE to emulate a cartridge let's say, I can just boot from D7: (from the U1MB) and I have an identical system. I'd highly suggest going with BlueSCSI or ZuluSCSI and avoid older SCSI2SD devices b/c they are somewhat more complex and less flexible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 (edited) 24 minutes ago, tuf said: I'd highly suggest going with BlueSCSI or ZuluSCSI and avoid older SCSI2SD devices b/c they are somewhat more complex and less flexible. In what ways does the lack of flexibility of the SCSI2SD affect its usage for this application? In what ways are those other devices better? Specifically, what did/do you endure in using the SCSI2SD that you would not have with the Blue and Zulu products? Edited August 24 by pixelmischief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 There is nothing hard about setting up a SCSI2SD. I have 10 of them for various thing. I have a Falcon, a TT, a Mega STE and a few STs with these attached to them. A program you download that runs on your PC is used to set up the capacity of the HD. Then use the Atari to partition it. Pretty simple. I use ADSCSIs or Link2s and HD Driver on the Atari end. When using those two, you can set the capacity of the HD on your PC to the full capacity of the SD card. Mine are 32GB, so that is what I set it to. I want all my hard drives to be compatible for all the machines I own so I keep the partition valid for TOS 1.04 or above, it is around 500 MB for each partition. I cannot say what to do for an MIO, I have never worked with one. As easy as it is to get an ST setup, I cannot imagine it being too much harder for an MIO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonlight_mile Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 If you get a blue scsi I’d really like to know how it works out. I have a set up with an adcard and ide to cf and it works great but I’d love to try the Bluescsi. I just have had not time to take a chance for that working or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 16 hours ago, pixelmischief said: In what ways does the lack of flexibility of the SCSI2SD affect its usage for this application? In what ways are those other devices better? Specifically, what did/do you endure in using the SCSI2SD that you would not have with the Blue and Zulu products? Blue/Zulu allow you to use file-based images on a normally (exFAT, etc) formatted SD card. So for instance you could have files called HD0.img, HD1.hda and CD3.iso and those would represent 3 devices on SCSI ID 0,1 and 3. On the BlueSCSI you also get the option for some networking on certain systems. With either you simply copy image files to cards and organize them any way you want. Backing up your SCSI drive is as simple as copying an image file. SCSI2SD devices have to be connected to a computer via USB and configured using an app. The SD card is essentially married to the device once configured and acts very much like a real hard drive. Unlike the Zulu/Blue options you can't manage the hard disk images as conveniently. I believe the latest SCSI2SD is actually a ZuluSCSI 6.4 - which does not work the same as the more typical ZuluSCSI (file-based images) does allow some USB based access to the SD card, so that's another option. In my case I've trashed my Atari partitions in one way or another so many times over the years, the value for me in the Zulu is the ability to have backups and/or easily replace the SD card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted August 25 Author Share Posted August 25 @tuf Excellent. Thank you for explaining so completely. BlueSCSI ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted August 25 Author Share Posted August 25 @tuf And just to be certain...there isn't an intermediary controller card or other device required for this, right? BlueSCSI 50-pin connected directly to the 50-pin connector on the MIO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 10 hours ago, moonlight_mile said: If you get a blue scsi I’d really like to know how it works out. I have a set up with an adcard and ide to cf and it works great but I’d love to try the Bluescsi. I just have had not time to take a chance for that working or not. I have one on my Mega STE. Also going to try installing the PiScsi/RaScsi Phigan sent me... Maybe we can do a comparison on one of the BBS chats after VCF Midwest. You might want to consider that direction since Uwe Seimet is pretty active in the development of Scsi2Pi (which is something of a replacement of the PiSCSI software that even has some great tools that work natively on the Atari). If I had known that at the time I probably would have gone that route. BlueSCSI is more Mac oriented (though it does work fine if you're ok without the tools). PiSCSI and SCSI2Pi also have web and android interfaces for controlling it... BlueSCSI doesn't seem to have that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Uwe's SCSI2Pi page. https://www.scsi2pi.net/ Now to be clear, the "native" tools are for the Atari ST line, but the web interface and Android control could be a benefit to the 8-bit users as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 23 hours ago, pixelmischief said: @tuf And just to be certain...there isn't an intermediary controller card or other device required for this, right? BlueSCSI 50-pin connected directly to the 50-pin connector on the MIO? This is also my question. Thinking of getting one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 23 hours ago, pixelmischief said: @tuf And just to be certain...there isn't an intermediary controller card or other device required for this, right? BlueSCSI 50-pin connected directly to the 50-pin connector on the MIO? Possibly if the genders work out. I use the external 25-pin version on mine and use a 50 to 25 adapter and it's very clean and works great. Whatever you could replace the cable with it'll work. No additional Adaptec products required Edited August 26 by tuf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 17 hours ago, Tillek said: Uwe's SCSI2Pi page. https://www.scsi2pi.net/ Now to be clear, the "native" tools are for the Atari ST line, but the web interface and Android control could be a benefit to the 8-bit users as well. This is a very cool but different device. You get web based control of drive mounting, image downloading and plenty of other awesome stuff. The one disadvantage (or advantage) is that this is a "big" Pi so it takes a while to boot up. SCSI2Pi is better off using as something external that's always powered on, vs something installed inside or connected directly to a machine powering on when the machine does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 5 hours ago, tuf said: Possibly if the genders work out. I use the external 25-pin version on mine and use a 50 to 25 adapter and it's very clean and works great. Got a picture of that adapter... or maybe a schematic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 39 minutes ago, bf2k+ said: Got a picture of that adapter... or maybe a schematic? I use something like this one. I'll take a pic of it hanging off the MIO when I get a sec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 6 hours ago, tuf said: This is a very cool but different device. You get web based control of drive mounting, image downloading and plenty of other awesome stuff. The one disadvantage (or advantage) is that this is a "big" Pi so it takes a while to boot up. SCSI2Pi is better off using as something external that's always powered on, vs something installed inside or connected directly to a machine powering on when the machine does. Mine is actually going to be using a PiZero so the size won't be too bad, but I do get you on the boot time. In my case, I'm going to be using it to run a BBS so it will be "always on" (and not sure specifically how Giarc is going to use it, but he's part of our BBS group as well. But at the end of the day... you're right on your observations, which is why I have both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, tuf said: I use something like this one. I'll take a pic of it hanging off the MIO when I get a sec. Yeah, I use these with my MIO as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 53 minutes ago, bf2k+ said: Got a picture of that adapter... or maybe a schematic? I swear the other day I had a ton of these come up in a search for something else on Amazon... but now that I want them I can't find it. But eBay seems to have a good variety now with some different connector options too, depending on the setup (link to search results) https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=db25+to+idc50+adapter&_sacat=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 6 hours ago, bf2k+ said: This is also my question. Thinking of getting one. Maybe we'll have to move the BlueScsi stuff to the Sunday chat instead of post VCF Midwest... I've been debating what to use for storage on the BBS display anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 As promised, a pic of how my SCSI2SD is attached to my MIO. Also took a pic of the BlueSCSI, ZuluSCSI and SCSI2SD v5.5 for comparison. You can clearly see the Zulu is nearly identical to the SCSI2SD - but they work very differently. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bf2k+ Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 On 8/26/2024 at 8:21 PM, Tillek said: Maybe we'll have to move the BlueScsi stuff to the Sunday chat instead of post VCF Midwest... I've been debating what to use for storage on the BBS display anyway. I'd rather wait until my BlueScsi and adapter get here. I ordered them both earlier this week. But I guess it doesn't really matter since mine will be for 8-bits & MIO connection... we can do that later when I get mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 7 hours ago, tuf said: As promised, a pic of how my SCSI2SD is attached to my MIO. Also took a pic of the BlueSCSI, ZuluSCSI and SCSI2SD v5.5 for comparison. You can clearly see the Zulu is nearly identical to the SCSI2SD - but they work very differently. Which do you recommend, if I were to get only one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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