tradyblix Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 3 minutes ago, OLD CS1 said: We do not need to belabor this, but I also included person, picked-up-in-hand experience later in that post. In my universe of samples, I have been able to walk into game stores and find 5200 cartridges. I have been able to go to flea markets and swap shops and find 5200 cartridges. I also knew people who had them BITD, so for my sampling that does not equate to "super rare." Not a nit-pick, but an observation, and the eBay link was only to show that they are not "super rare," as it appears plenty of people have them, as a rebuttal of your personal experience. Anyway. People always love to take things personally. Okay. You win. Thanks for contributing. I'm wrong. Are you finally happy ? Plenty of 5200 carts everyone, forget what I said. FFS.... Whole thing is moot anyhow. We're not getting a 5200+. Carts or not. Edited August 29 by tradyblix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 23 minutes ago, Fred_M said: What is an option, in my opinion, is a completely separate Intellivision+ platfrom with its own hardware and emulator. But that has be commercially viable anyway. Most of us here act like kids in a candy store, but that is (sadly) not a reality 😉 It might not be all that nonviable. I have been surprised to learn of the number of people who, I thought were rare as hens teeth, not only had an Intellivision but also remember it fondly. Was not the case in my corner of the world. Ultimately, I have no idea what the actual audience is for one. I picked up a hand-held Intellivision TV game controller a while back. I am curious to know what its sales were like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 3 minutes ago, tradyblix said: Okay. You win. Thanks for contributing. I'm wrong. Are you finally happy ? Jesus Christ, dude. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 3 minutes ago, OLD CS1 said: Jesus Christ, dude. Well are you happy or not. You won. You nit picked the point to shit, and you expect me to like, not be annoyed ? You know that the gist of what I was saying is that they are less common than 2600 carts, but you still had to hold me to exactly correct, like I was running for president or something. it's tiresome buddy. tiresome. Edited August 29 by tradyblix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicodemusLegend Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 38 minutes ago, Fred_M said: At the moment all released cartridges for the A+ platform are compatible with original hardware (2600 and 7800). Atari and Plaion even put a Pokey compatible sound chip in their new 7800 releases to make these releases 100% compatible. Personally I don't think that publishing cartridges which are not compatible with original hardware is a good idea. I like the way what they are doing now: releasing new games for the 7800 and even port great games from other systems (for example Bounty Bob Strikes Back) to the 7800. What is an option, in my opinion, is a completely separate Intellivision+ platfrom with its own hardware and emulator. But that has be commercially viable anyway. Most of us here act like kids in a candy store, but that is (sadly) not a reality 😉 Per my disclaimer above, I actually DON'T think that's currently an option for Atari. Perhaps it will be before long, but those rights were (I was under the impression) specifically carved out when Atari otherwise bought the Intellivision rights. If I'm wrong, then I withdraw my suggestion entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Fred_M said: Atari and Plaion even put a Pokey compatible sound chip in their new 7800 releases to make these releases 100% compatible. FWIW, I do not think this gets enough press. There is nothing forcing them to make new releases compatible with original systems. This is a big I-heart-U to us. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/29/2024 at 2:56 AM, Defender_2600 said: Considering the large Atari 8-bit library, the CX40 joysticks, the CX30 paddles, etc... it might make more sense to make an Atari XEGS+ [..] When considering the production of new cartridges compatible with original hardware, it should be remembered that the Atari 8-bit computer line sold approximately 4 million units between late 1979 and mid 1985, with additional units sold through the end of 1991. Total sales of the 5200 were approximately 1 million units. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 17 hours ago, OLD CS1 said: It might not be all that nonviable. I have been surprised to learn of the number of people who, I thought were rare as hens teeth, not only had an Intellivision but also remember it fondly. Was not the case in my corner of the world. Ultimately, I have no idea what the actual audience is for one. I picked up a hand-held Intellivision TV game controller a while back. I am curious to know what its sales were like. I've seen those for sale on ebay. Not sure about how well it's sold. Apparently the games or some of them are not official intellivision games? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Fred_M Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 59 minutes ago, shane857 said: I've seen those for sale on ebay. Not sure about how well it's sold. Apparently the games or some of them are not official intellivision games? 🤔 If that controller looks like this, it contains ports of Intellivision games running on a Nintendo Entertainment System 😒 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 30 minutes ago, Fred_M said: If that controller looks like this, it contains ports of Intellivision games running on a Nintendo Entertainment System 😒 Oh, how cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillDMatt Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/28/2024 at 5:34 PM, tradyblix said: It would be cool, because the games for that system are good and they're different from the 2600/7800 versions. The problem with a cart only device would be that nobody has the 5200 carts. They're super rare. I've literally NEVER SEEN ONE IN THE WILD in my life, and I'm not young. So yeah.... probably wouldn't get it for that alone. my first console when I was 9 was the 2600 but when the 5200 came out and my friend got one, and had all the heavy hitters, Pacman, Ms Pacman, Vangaurd the Real Sports. Centipede Pole Position, Galaxian I could go on, he was "that kid" in the neighborhood that had the stuff nobody else had. LOL That was the first system that blew me away with the graphics. How awesome those arcade ports were. Don't have much memory of complaining about the controllers but I do have a vivid memory and begging and begging my parents for one. Centipede was so close to Arcade accurate. But we lived in a different time back then. I heard the same answer most kids heard in 1982 that wanted a 5200 or a ColecoVision. NO. But to your point those games were really good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillDMatt Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 20 hours ago, OLD CS1 said: It might not be all that nonviable. I have been surprised to learn of the number of people who, I thought were rare as hens teeth, not only had an Intellivision but also remember it fondly. Was not the case in my corner of the world. Ultimately, I have no idea what the actual audience is for one. I picked up a hand-held Intellivision TV game controller a while back. I am curious to know what its sales were like. Same with my corner of the world, I think I knew one or two kids that had one, they were always left out because EVERYONE had the 2600, we had our own ecosystem of borrowing and trading, If you had an Intellivsion you were basically left out. Nobody wanted to go your home and play. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/28/2024 at 5:56 PM, Defender_2600 said: Considering the large Atari 8-bit library, the CX40 joysticks, the CX30 paddles, etc... it might make more sense to make an Atari XEGS+, maybe slightly revisited in aesthetics, with the plastic color updated from the original gray to a new "Atari black", and not supplied with the original additional keyboard. When necessary, a common PC keyboard (not included in the package) could be connected, as was done with THEC64 Mini etc. The new cartridges produced would obviously be compatible with the entire original Atari 8-bit line. The new XEGS+, with its console look, would fit between the 2600+ and the 7800+, as the natural successor to the 5200 but less expensive to design, more versatile, and with a large library to draw from. Just a thought. P.S. Or, would you like a new shell? An XEGS + might actually make sense. Even go one step further and provide two cart ports like those Nintendo clones that have more than one. Features: 8 Bit port 5200 port Some sort of controller that is compatible with both that has a keypad USB PC keyboard compatible so you can plug in a keyboard for 8 bit game use Avoid the horrible pastel colors...🙃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 55 minutes ago, BillDMatt said: Same with my corner of the world, I think I knew one or two kids that had one, they were always left out because EVERYONE had the 2600, we had our own ecosystem of borrowing and trading, If you had an Intellivsion you were basically left out. Nobody wanted to go your home and play. LOL 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insertclevernamehere Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 If we don't get a 5200+, which frankly, I understand why we probably won't, the next best thing, or possibly even better, would be 7800 versions of some 5200 games. Ones that were either released back in the day or subsequently as home brews, that I would love to see are - Dreadnaught Factor (There's a home brew of this under a different name in the works for the 7800. I hope it gets finished and a physical release), Gremlins (a different and superior game to the 2600 version. Obviously the rights would be an issue but a homebrew under a different name but essentially the same game for the 7800 would be awesome), Gyruss, Kangaroo (a 7800 version please), Sinistar, Space Dungeon, Tempest, Zaxxon, Zone Ranger. I thank you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudografx Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Let's talk Jeff Minter into making his next Tempest game for the 7800! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_813 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 I love my 5200. I just fixed my controllers with new mylars and buttons a couple of weeks ago, and tweeked the color pot to dial it in just this morning. I prefer 5200 arcade ports over the 7800. I know it probably won't happen, but I would love to see some of the rarer cart reissues made. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted September 1 Author Share Posted September 1 I think maybe I should change this threads topic to.. Will there be an Intellivision+? To me, it seems more likely because of the availability of carts. Maybe Atari should try to make this happen next? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+pboland Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 On 8/28/2024 at 8:56 PM, Defender_2600 said: Considering the large Atari 8-bit library, the CX40 joysticks, the CX30 paddles, etc... it might make more sense to make an Atari XEGS+, maybe slightly revisited in aesthetics, with the plastic color updated from the original gray to a new "Atari black", and not supplied with the original additional keyboard. When necessary, a common PC keyboard (not included in the package) could be connected, as was done with THEC64 Mini etc. The new cartridges produced would obviously be compatible with the entire original Atari 8-bit line. The new XEGS+, with its console look, would fit between the 2600+ and the 7800+, as the natural successor to the 5200 but less expensive to design, more versatile, and with a large library to draw from. Just a thought. On 8/30/2024 at 2:59 PM, Zonie said: An XEGS + might actually make sense. Even go one step further and provide two cart ports like those Nintendo clones that have more than one. Features: 8 Bit port 5200 port Some sort of controller that is compatible with both that has a keypad USB PC keyboard compatible so you can plug in a keyboard for 8 bit game use Avoid the horrible pastel colors...🙃 Actually XEGS+ does make the most sense. Mainly because what is stated above. With that in mind I would suggest making the XEGS+ compatible with the new CX78+ controllers and porting those 5200 games (that make sense) to the 8-bit line using the newer two button controllers. A usb keyboard would allow for any 8-bit computer/5200 keypad functions. This makes all the new stuff compatible with the older 8-bit computer line. I'm sorry, I just feel the 5200 cart slot is unnecessary (mainly do to the popularity of the 5200 console over all). It makes more sense to just make those 5200 games into 8-bit computer games that function with the CX78 controllers. This makes it a heck of a lot more cost effective and a good reason to come out with new 8-bit/XEGS game carts utilizing stuff current Atari already makes (and of course backward compatible with most of the old 8-bit computer equipment which is more plentiful than 5200 stuff). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bent_pin Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 1 minute ago, pboland said: I'm sorry, I just feel the 5200 cart slot is unnecessary It would serve to keep this argument from coming back up, if nothing else. That alone should be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+pboland Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 On 8/28/2024 at 4:36 PM, Ben from Plaion said: hell I've been looking at a Magnavox Odyssey recently. I assume you mean Odyssey2. This would be a fantastic idea. O2 cart are cheap and I think somebody in the homebrew community just made molds for O2 carts. It would be interesting to see a membrane keyboard on a mini console. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted September 1 Author Share Posted September 1 Some great ideas. I wonder where Atari will go next?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 1 hour ago, pboland said: I just feel the 5200 cart slot is unnecessary If you don't need a cart slot, you can easily just build your own console, plenty of fast enough MCU's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 25 minutes ago, CPUWIZ said: If you don't need a cart slot, you can easily just build your own console, plenty of fast enough MCU's out there. It seems to me that he is responding to the idea of designing an XEGS+ that has two cartridge slots: Atari 8-bit + 5200. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) On 8/30/2024 at 8:59 PM, Zonie said: An XEGS + might actually make sense. Even go one step further and provide two cart ports like those Nintendo clones that have more than one. Features: 8 Bit port 5200 port Some sort of controller that is compatible with both that has a keypad USB PC keyboard compatible so you can plug in a keyboard for 8 bit game use Avoid the horrible pastel colors...🙃 3 hours ago, pboland said: Actually XEGS+ does make the most sense. Mainly because what is stated above. With that in mind I would suggest making the XEGS+ compatible with the new CX78+ controllers and porting those 5200 games (that make sense) to the 8-bit line using the newer two button controllers. A usb keyboard would allow for any 8-bit computer/5200 keypad functions. This makes all the new stuff compatible with the older 8-bit computer line. I'm sorry, I just feel the 5200 cart slot is unnecessary (mainly do to the popularity of the 5200 console over all). It makes more sense to just make those 5200 games into 8-bit computer games that function with the CX78 controllers. This makes it a heck of a lot more cost effective and a good reason to come out with new 8-bit/XEGS game carts utilizing stuff current Atari already makes (and of course backward compatible with most of the old 8-bit computer equipment which is more plentiful than 5200 stuff). I think an XEGS+ should simply be an "XEGS" with HDMI output (and with A/V output too, that would be great) and that only supports Atari 8-bit cartridges and original controllers like the CX40 joysticks, the CX30 paddles, etc. I think any form of "5200 contamination" should be avoided to preserve the identity and aesthetics of the XEGS, keep the design "simple", and make sure that new Atari 8-bit cartridges and accessories are backward and forward compatible (ATARI+ *8-bit* PLATFORM), as was done for the 2600+ / 7800+. On the other hand, the 5200 had a small library that included a few exclusives (that were later ported to Atari 8-bit) and, with a few exceptions, the entire library is made up of games that were born and require *digital* controllers and therefore do not work well with the original *analog* controllers, regardless of the self-centering issue. Don't get me wrong, I own two 5200 consoles, but realistically a "pure" XEGS+ would be a less expensive design to build, more versatile and capable, and would appeal to a wider audience. Edited September 1 by Defender_2600 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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