82-T/A Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 9 hours ago, CyranoJ said: Even though they are, and always have been in the AA store for much less. I sold them in 2021... I have to assume this was during a run where they were no longer available... or I'm confusing them with some of the others. I know it bothers you to see these games get hawked for just high prices, and I don't blame you. To be fair, I bought every single one of your games. Masterfully done. My intention on buying them was never to make a profit by selling them after the fact... but to play them, and that's what I did. I realized around 2021, in addition to moving for my next assignment, that I was starting to be in a different place in my life. My daughter was getting older, and I'd moved twice already with all these Jaguar games. Someone on here made the point that, if you don't play it at least once every 6 months, you don't really need it... and I took that to heart. I still have about... I'd say 2/5ths of my Jaguar games, including Rebooteroids, Downfall+, and several others that you made / helped make / converted. I occasionally get PMs on here asking how / what my strategy for selling them was. And basically, I listed all the games I sold for about 10% less than what the going rate was (for similar condition) on eBay with other sellers. This also included AtariAge. When the game was available on AtariAge, I'd sell it for 10% less than what was on AtariAge. I can't find my original thread where I was selling everything off... but that's one of the things I did. MOST of your games though, were such limited runs, that they ended up selling for just insane prices. I don't feel bad because for one, I supported you in the beginning, and second... it helped pay for a down-payment for the house I'm in now (so I didn't have to sell my other house first... making my move much easier). 6 hours ago, madman said: The good news is millennials and gen Z are into "retro gaming" now, so I think the cartridge era will remain valuable for a while. It is amazing how Jag games and systems went from "you can't give them away" to "good luck finding anything at a remotely reasonable price". It's completely unbelievable to me how much the price of these things have gone up. Or pretty much anything "collectible" for that matter. I mentioned Porsche 911s... you could pick them up for a single middle-class paycheck. Now a rotted-out husk costs as much a middle-class annual salary. Even shit 80s cars that you could buy for $500 bucks... they're selling now for 20-30 grand for like a Mitsubishi Starion / Dodge Conquest. Just crazy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyranoJ Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 41 minutes ago, 82-T/A said: I sold them in 2021... I have to assume this was during a run where they were no longer available... or I'm confusing them with some of the others. I know it bothers you to see these games get hawked for just high prices, and I don't blame you. To be fair, I bought every single one of your games. Masterfully done. My intention on buying them was never to make a profit by selling them after the fact... Thank you, and honestly, I don't really blame people for getting as much as they can. They were, at least, originals and not some bootleg asshole etsy scumbag. But the people shelling out and buying them for that price without doing basic price and availability checking.... are fucking clueless and deserve what they get. I can do a lot of things to fix some of the problems, but you just can't fix stupid. Lots of things irk me as I get older but people not doing research (youtubers with "I guess" statements instead of, ya know, going to a source) just tops the list. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 24 minutes ago, CyranoJ said: Thank you, and honestly, I don't really blame people for getting as much as they can. They were, at least, originals and not some bootleg asshole etsy scumbag. But the people shelling out and buying them for that price without doing basic price and availability checking.... are fucking clueless and deserve what they get. I can do a lot of things to fix some of the problems, but you just can't fix stupid. Lots of things irk me as I get older but people not doing research (youtubers with "I guess" statements instead of, ya know, going to a source) just tops the list. I appreciate it. The only Etsy bootleg that I had was Battlesphere Gold. I paid $39 for it on Etsy, and was very clear that it was NOT original... it even had (in small print) DUPLICATE on the label. I think I sold it for just over $100. But I bought it originally just because I literally couldn't get it anywhere else. 😕 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 (edited) Thanks to everyone who responded. You've been great! I think I can go for an Atari Jaguar but it will take a lot of saving and a lot of keeping my eye open for those amazing deals. With regards to my PSP collection, should I hang on to it? Could the value sky rocket like retro games are doing now? Edited September 18 by guitarmas Spelling error. Grammar error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitanClassic Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 4 minutes ago, guitarmas said: With regards to my PSP collection, should I hang on to it? Could the value sky rocket like retro games are doing now? Only you can decide if you should hang on to it. If you still enjoy playing the games, then sure. If you are expecting it to be some sort of investment that will make you lots of money when you sell when you get old, probably not. The PSP sold over 80 million units, so it isn't rare. For something to become valuable, it usually has to go through a point where it is useless, and almost no one wants it. If you track the average price of games, they don't keep up with inflation (ie. $40 in 1989 is about $100 today), let alone the average stock market index fund ($40 in 1989 would be worth about $900). The majority of the higher priced games are those that release at the end of the systems life, when people have moved on to the next great thing. The only games likely to skyrocket in value are those that didn't sell well originally. In general, the price of old video games tends to follow a curve. They are usually the cheapest when they are 2 console cycles behind (ie. NES games were cheapest when the N64 was just being released). Then they spike when people who grew up with them (8yo -15yo) are hitting their prime earning years (30yo-40yo), and have more money than they know what to do with, and want some of that nostalgia from their childhood. By the time they are 65yo, they likely have any game they really wanted to get. Prices will start to fall again, when all the older people start dying off, and their kids don't have any nostalgic attachment to their parents older collectibles. (See Lionel trains, Elvis memorabilia, vinyl records etc.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cubanismo Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 Yeah, unfortunately I don't think Gen X dying off is going to help much. YouTube is driving the latest wave, and that's solid younger millennials/older Gen Z. I suspect we just don't hear from many of them because posting here is probably at least as scary as taking a fucking phone call, and most of them can't handle that apparently. 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyranoJ Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 18 minutes ago, cubanismo said: Yeah, unfortunately I don't think Gen X dying off is going to help much. YouTube is driving the latest wave, and that's solid younger millennials/older Gen Z. I suspect we just don't hear from many of them because posting here is probably at least as scary as taking a fucking phone call, and most of them can't handle that apparently. "I guess" If they did come here, it 100% wouldn't be to get their facts straight..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 On 9/18/2024 at 11:09 AM, guitarmas said: Thanks to everyone who responded. You've been great! I think I can go for an Atari Jaguar but it will take a lot of saving and a lot of keeping my eye open for those amazing deals. With regards to my PSP collection, should I hang on to it? Could the value sky rocket like retro games are doing now? @CapitanClassic said it best where he said... "For something to become valuable, it usually has to go through a point where it is useless, and almost no one wants it." I'm at the age now where I've been around long enough to see this literally happening almost everywhere, and for everything. It doesn't mean that everything becomes popular again, or that anything and everything increases in value eventually. But using my Porsche 911 example above... I can think of at least a dozen more examples. Watches, for example. Late 1960s BS Swiss watches... no one cared about those. I could buy a box of them... 100 for $100 bucks. These watches have become super-exclusive to the younger crowd, and now a crappy non-running mid-60s Swiss watch of a defunct brand is like a hundred bucks by itself. Going back to cars... Pontiac Fieros... there was a time when you could pick them up for a couple hundred bucks. Now, the crappiest one on eBay is selling for over $7,000 bucks, and the auction just started. There are several of them selling for over 30 grand. It's insane to me. So, I would say, with your PSP... if you really like the system and play it a lot... then maybe it's worthwhile to keep. But if it's just taking up space... what are you going to do with it? Unless you have kids that desperately want it, or you have dreams of one day opening a video game museum (you won't), then move on with it... you can probably use the money to buy Jaguar stuff. You could also do what I did with my Jaguar. I sold everything I didn't think I'd want to play in the next 6 months. Period... so I got rid of a lot, and I've been happy with it. You could keep only the PSP games you play, and get rid of the rest. It's hard to get rid of "stuff" ... it's a natural tendency to want to collect... but yeah... you know where I'm going with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editorb Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 7 hours ago, 82-T/A said: @CapitanClassic said it best where he said... "For something to become valuable, it usually has to go through a point where it is useless, and almost no one wants it." I'm at the age now where I've been around long enough to see this literally happening almost everywhere, and for everything. It doesn't mean that everything becomes popular again, or that anything and everything increases in value eventually. But using my Porsche 911 example above... I can think of at least a dozen more examples. Watches, for example. Late 1960s BS Swiss watches... no one cared about those. I could buy a box of them... 100 for $100 bucks. These watches have become super-exclusive to the younger crowd, and now a crappy non-running mid-60s Swiss watch of a defunct brand is like a hundred bucks by itself. Going back to cars... Pontiac Fieros... there was a time when you could pick them up for a couple hundred bucks. Now, the crappiest one on eBay is selling for over $7,000 bucks, and the auction just started. There are several of them selling for over 30 grand. It's insane to me. So, I would say, with your PSP... if you really like the system and play it a lot... then maybe it's worthwhile to keep. But if it's just taking up space... what are you going to do with it? Unless you have kids that desperately want it, or you have dreams of one day opening a video game museum (you won't), then move on with it... you can probably use the money to buy Jaguar stuff. You could also do what I did with my Jaguar. I sold everything I didn't think I'd want to play in the next 6 months. Period... so I got rid of a lot, and I've been happy with it. You could keep only the PSP games you play, and get rid of the rest. It's hard to get rid of "stuff" ... it's a natural tendency to want to collect... but yeah... you know where I'm going with this. Fieros are odd cuz was designed as sports car and got GMd into an underpowered commuter car with Chevette front end, and it caught fire. After coupla years they fixed front end, dropped in V6, got much more positive response, then axed it. Hmm. Wonder if Tramiels were pulling strings at GM … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 4 hours ago, Editorb said: Fieros are odd cuz was designed as sports car and got GMd into an underpowered commuter car with Chevette front end, and it caught fire. After coupla years they fixed front end, dropped in V6, got much more positive response, then axed it. Hmm. Wonder if Tramiels were pulling strings at GM … Well, it's funny... people don't realize this, but they sold almost 400k Pontiac Fieros (370,168). The first year they sold over 184k of them. Each successive year, the car got better... but they sold fewer and fewer of them. There were so many Fieros made, that under the short time span from 84-88, they made almost 100k more Fieros in those 5 years than Toyota made MR2s for the entire global production run from 1985-2005. People today don't really realize that the car was a sales success. They cancelled it because of declining sales of sports cars, and it was being built in a factory that didn't produce anything else other than just Pontiac Fieros... so they cancelled it before it started to become a cost liability for them. But back in the day, all the cool kids in high school in the 80s had them. They'd put a 140hp V6 in the car by the second year... and it was a low 15 second quarter mile car (which was really good for the time). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmOneGarand Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 On 9/18/2024 at 12:32 AM, madman said: The good news is millennials and gen Z are into "retro gaming" now, so I think the cartridge era will remain valuable for awhile. It is amazing how Jag games and systems went from "you can't give them away" to "good luck finding anything at a remotely reasonable price". What I dislike most about modern "collectors" is all they think about is "how much is this worth" not whether its fun to play or to collect, or the history behind it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 20 hours ago, 82-T/A said: Well, it's funny... people don't realize this, but they sold almost 400k Pontiac Fieros (370,168). The first year they sold over 184k of them. Each successive year, the car got better... but they sold fewer and fewer of them. There were so many Fieros made, that under the short time span from 84-88, they made almost 100k more Fieros in those 5 years than Toyota made MR2s for the entire global production run from 1985-2005. People today don't really realize that the car was a sales success. They cancelled it because of declining sales of sports cars, and it was being built in a factory that didn't produce anything else other than just Pontiac Fieros... so they cancelled it before it started to become a cost liability for them. But back in the day, all the cool kids in high school in the 80s had them. They'd put a 140hp V6 in the car by the second year... and it was a low 15 second quarter mile car (which was really good for the time). No "cool kids" owned a Fiero at our school. It was a "Chick Car" and kinda a joke to most guys. Low 15's is a stretch. A GT could barely break 16. Not many GTs were made. They are more "cool" today than during production. Calling it a success is also a stretch. I am guessing you own/owned one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarmas Posted September 21 Author Share Posted September 21 (edited) Thanks everyone for all of your input. There's so much to learn and understand when it comes to value and retro video games. I just made a spreadsheet of my PSP collection. ...About $625. I guess I've really gotta keep my eye out if I'm going to score a decent system CIB. Edited September 22 by guitarmas Added text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 3 hours ago, Machine said: No "cool kids" owned a Fiero at our school. It was a "Chick Car" and kinda a joke to most guys. Low 15's is a stretch. A GT could barely break 16. Not many GTs were made. They are more "cool" today than during production. Calling it a success is also a stretch. I am guessing you own/owned one? Lol, ok man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cubanismo Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 On 9/21/2024 at 6:58 PM, 82-T/A said: Lol, ok man... Also, just to pile on the high-school hatorade: Yo mamma's so fat, she sat on two 32-bit processors and made the world's first 64-bit video game system. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 (edited) 51 minutes ago, cubanismo said: Also, just to pile on the high-school hatorade: Yo mamma's so fat, she sat on two 32-bit processors and made the world's first 64-bit video game system. Hah... yeah. I tried not to get into it, but it gets so lame when a NON-car person starts telling an actual car person "what's up." The guy says, "A GT could barely break 16. Not many GTs were made." Which tells me all I need to know about his knowledge of cars. For one, there were almost 100k GTs made. Second, a GT, "Grand Touring" or "Gran Turismo" in Italian, is a bloated version of a car. It's literally defined as long-distance driving, in style and comfort. Specifically, that means it came with leather seats and power lumbar, the Performance Sound subwoofer system, the fastback body work (which was heavier), the extra-thick carpet, the additional sound deadening... and an automatic, maybe even TTOPs and / or the removable thick-glass sunroof. He even assumes the V6 was only in a GT. No comment of course on the fact that the V6 was available in literally every model Fiero, and you could get it in the stripped down "2m" coupe body style, with no options except the WS6 suspension and a 4-Speed or 5-Speed manual transmission. Even in 88, with the suspension designed by Porsche (not Lotus like people think), and an internally balanced V6... you could get it in the Fiero Formula that was an even lighter version of the otherwise base-coupe body, specifically for performance. Back in those days, mid to low 7 second 0-60 times were VERY common with Fieros. And mid-15s was basically what you expected for most V6 Fiero. All of that to say, it was an extremely popular car at the time. They sold almost 400k of them. That's more than all the Toyota Supras made in the entire world across all generations. More Mazda RX-7s made in the entire world across all generations (I had one of these too), etc., etc... any reasonable person would say that wasn't a success. It was one of the rare few cars at the time that had a fully independent suspension, with four-wheel disc brakes all around. It had Multi-Port Fuel Injection, and a whole host of other advancements that most cars of the time didn't have. It literally was GM's innovation car for the decade, combining all the latest technology they'd come up with, including advanced space-frame design, unique mill & drill construction, etc. The first year it came out, nearly all the other sports cars of the time still had drum brakes in the rear. It's also ignorant to compare a car from ~1985 to modern vehicles of the day. Everything was slow in 1985 comparative to anything made in the early to mid 2000s and newer. For that matter, everything made from 1978-1983 was even slower. My guess, Machine (and he can respond to this), probably had some front wheel drive shit-box in the 90s and thought he was cool shit with the Green Day & Magic the Gathering crowd. I definitely dislike it when non-car people start throwing out what they think are "facts" based on some tertiary knowledge they might have because of something they read somewhere. I've rebuilt dozens of engines, restored tons of classic cars, from Porsches, to TransAms, to Oldsmobile Cutlasses, to turbo VWs, to you name it. Edited September 24 by 82-T/A 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) 7 hours ago, 82-T/A said: Hah... yeah. I tried not to get into it, but it gets so lame when a NON-car person starts telling an actual car person "what's up." The guy says, "A GT could barely break 16. Not many GTs were made." Which tells me all I need to know about his knowledge of cars. For one, there were almost 100k GTs made. Second, a GT, "Grand Touring" or "Gran Turismo" in Italian, is a bloated version of a car. It's literally defined as long-distance driving, in style and comfort. Specifically, that means it came with leather seats and power lumbar, the Performance Sound subwoofer system, the fastback body work (which was heavier), the extra-thick carpet, the additional sound deadening... and an automatic, maybe even TTOPs and / or the removable thick-glass sunroof. He even assumes the V6 was only in a GT. No comment of course on the fact that the V6 was available in literally every model Fiero, and you could get it in the stripped down "2m" coupe body style, with no options except the WS6 suspension and a 4-Speed or 5-Speed manual transmission. Even in 88, with the suspension designed by Porsche (not Lotus like people think), and an internally balanced V6... you could get it in the Fiero Formula that was an even lighter version of the otherwise base-coupe body, specifically for performance. Back in those days, mid to low 7 second 0-60 times were VERY common with Fieros. And mid-15s was basically what you expected for most V6 Fiero. All of that to say, it was an extremely popular car at the time. They sold almost 400k of them. That's more than all the Toyota Supras made in the entire world across all generations. More Mazda RX-7s made in the entire world across all generations (I had one of these too), etc., etc... any reasonable person would say that wasn't a success. It was one of the rare few cars at the time that had a fully independent suspension, with four-wheel disc brakes all around. It had Multi-Port Fuel Injection, and a whole host of other advancements that most cars of the time didn't have. It literally was GM's innovation car for the decade, combining all the latest technology they'd come up with, including advanced space-frame design, unique mill & drill construction, etc. The first year it came out, nearly all the other sports cars of the time still had drum brakes in the rear. It's also ignorant to compare a car from ~1985 to modern vehicles of the day. Everything was slow in 1985 comparative to anything made in the early to mid 2000s and newer. For that matter, everything made from 1978-1983 was even slower. My guess, Machine (and he can respond to this), probably had some front wheel drive shit-box in the 90s and thought he was cool shit with the Green Day & Magic the Gathering crowd. I definitely dislike it when non-car people start throwing out what they think are "facts" based on some tertiary knowledge they might have because of something they read somewhere. I've rebuilt dozens of engines, restored tons of classic cars, from Porsches, to TransAms, to Oldsmobile Cutlasses, to turbo VWs, to you name it. You are wrong. My 1st car was a '78 Z28. Mid 14s (was my brothers) I got a 77 Vette in my senior year. - Not as fast, but fun car. 70 Buick Electra 225 Convertible. It was clean. 25ik orig miles. A/C with power windows/doors(rare on convert) 455 69 Caddy Coupe DeVille (an amazing car) 13 yr restore by a neighbor. Perfect. 472 -Handled amazingly for a Caddy. New front end 50 Olds Rocket 88 (fully restored by my father inlaw) I sold it 2 yrs. ago. Now I have a 70 Marauder X100- I am almost done restoring(driver). Orig 429 bored/stroked to a 472- it's mean I have owned many cars, not super fast, but everyone would smoke a stock Fiero. (Excl. OLDS 88) All you need to do is look up the Fiero's numbers. Pretty tame. It wasn't a fast car. Novel, but not fast. Well, if you define fast as high 15's, then I guess a Fiero would fit. We had many guys with fast cars who smoked my Camaro. Someone is always faster. V6 wasn't what it is now. They couldn't hang with a V8 back then. Edited September 25 by Machine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 10 hours ago, Machine said: You are wrong. My 1st car was a '78 Z28. Mid 14s (was my brothers) I got a 77 Vette in my senior year. - Not as fast, but fun car. 70 Buick Electra 225 Convertible. It was clean. 25ik orig miles. A/C with power windows/doors(rare on convert) 455 69 Caddy Coupe DeVille (an amazing car) 13 yr restore by a neighbor. Perfect. 472 -Handled amazingly for a Caddy. New front end 50 Olds Rocket 88 (fully restored by my father inlaw) I sold it 2 yrs. ago. Now I have a 70 Marauder X100- I am almost done restoring(driver). Orig 429 bored/stroked to a 472- it's mean I have owned many cars, not super fast, but everyone would smoke a stock Fiero. (Excl. OLDS 88) All you need to do is look up the Fiero's numbers. Pretty tame. It wasn't a fast car. Novel, but not fast. Well, if you define fast as high 15's, then I guess a Fiero would fit. We had many guys with fast cars who smoked my Camaro. Someone is always faster. V6 wasn't what it is now. They couldn't hang with a V8 back then. The problem I have is the context with which you are comparing things. In the mid 1980s, everything was really slow. For that matter, everything that came pretty much a whole decade before that was even slower. My 1982 Pontiac TransAm had an LG4 V8 that literally had the exact same horsepower as my V6 Fiero did. Why are you comparing a bunch of heavily modified cars (your cars) with a totally stock mid-80s car, and then saying it's slow? What is the point you're trying to make here? In 1985, the Fiero was a fast car. It would literally destroy all of the cars you've listed, if they were also stock, except for the Mercury Marauder. You could put an LS V8 into the Fiero, and there's nothing you could build that would compare with that. But what is the point you're trying to make here? "V6 wasn't what it is now. They couldn't hang with a V8 back then." ... and yes, yes it could. The Fiero was quicker than the Pontiac TransAm in all years until they came out with the 5.7L. Literally the L69 was a 9 second 0-60 car. You have an unreasonable understanding of what cars were like in the 80s, and it's ridiculous to compare a Muscle car from the peak era of 1969-1970, or modern cars today, with something from the 80s. Is this a pissing contest? Because if it is, I have had a shit ton better cars than you've listed... and several vehicles that are faster than what you have currently... but I don't feel the need to list them (though I do like your Mercury Marauder). You're not a real car guy... you just buy cars and drive them. Have you ever rebuilt an engine yourself? Ever rebuilt a Th-350? You want a pissing contest, even my (then 13 year old) daughter would run rings around you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHATEIT Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 On 9/17/2024 at 9:20 AM, guitarmas said: Absolutely! Great advice! That's the only kind of advice you get in the Jaguar section, great advice! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 (edited) On 9/25/2024 at 7:58 AM, 82-T/A said: The problem I have is the context with which you are comparing things. In the mid 1980s, everything was really slow. For that matter, everything that came pretty much a whole decade before that was even slower. My 1982 Pontiac TransAm had an LG4 V8 that literally had the exact same horsepower as my V6 Fiero did. Why are you comparing a bunch of heavily modified cars (your cars) with a totally stock mid-80s car, and then saying it's slow? What is the point you're trying to make here? In 1985, the Fiero was a fast car. It would literally destroy all of the cars you've listed, if they were also stock, except for the Mercury Marauder. You could put an LS V8 into the Fiero, and there's nothing you could build that would compare with that. But what is the point you're trying to make here? "V6 wasn't what it is now. They couldn't hang with a V8 back then." ... and yes, yes it could. The Fiero was quicker than the Pontiac TransAm in all years until they came out with the 5.7L. Literally the L69 was a 9 second 0-60 car. You have an unreasonable understanding of what cars were like in the 80s, and it's ridiculous to compare a Muscle car from the peak era of 1969-1970, or modern cars today, with something from the 80s. Is this a pissing contest? Because if it is, I have had a shit ton better cars than you've listed... and several vehicles that are faster than what you have currently... but I don't feel the need to list them (though I do like your Mercury Marauder). You're not a real car guy... you just buy cars and drive them. Have you ever rebuilt an engine yourself? Ever rebuilt a Th-350? You want a pissing contest, even my (then 13 year old) daughter would run rings around you... If you think so, that's fine. I just told you I'm rebuilding my Marauder. We had 2 Fieros at our school and both were considered slow. They raced every weekend and rarely won. We never considered "16" fast. It's apparent my opinion struck a nerve and I apologize. Edited September 26 by Machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Machine said: If you think so, that's fine. I just told you I'm rebuilding my Marauder. We had 2 Fieros at our school and both were considered slow. They raced every weekend and rarely won. We never considered "16" fast. It's apparent my opinion struck a nerve and I apologize. No, I just don't understand what kind of person "shits" on another person's choice of collector car. That shows extreme immaturity... what do you get out of it? I could buy a Tesla Plaid right now and have the fastest car on the forum... is that what it's all about? The Fiero had models that were anywhere between low 15s and mid 16s in the quarter. With some breaking into the 14s (zero-optioned Fiero Formula). AT THE TIME... that was FAST and QUICK compared to everything else that was sold at the time. This is a fact. Why does this bother you? Your Z-28 Camaro (which I've also owned several 2nd gen Camaros and Firebirds and love them), was absolutely slow as shit. When stock, your Camaro had a 0-60 of almost 10 seconds, and a high 17 second quarter mile. It looked AMAZING, and totally awesome (my opinion), but holy shit... that V8 was a turd. I just find it odd that you'd feel the need to shit on someone's car, and then think it normal to compare your highly modified slow car (which you didn't do yourself), to a totally stock car, and crap on it as being garbage. If you care, I had a Fiero in high school (in the mid 90s), and I was popular (maybe not because of my car). I still have that car, and have a modified 3.4 V6/60 (internally balanced) engine with 3.4 DOHC pistons on it giving me 9.7:1 compression, H272 Cam, roller rockers, blah blah... etc. ~210hp is all I'm looking for, and low 14s in the quarter. I have much faster cars... but I wanted to keep the car (and engine) looking totally stock, and not lose the behavior and feel of an original Fiero (not to be confused with the 4 cyl Fiero in my daughter's videos). I also have this... which is looking for a home... if you have any thoughts? - 1969 Oldsmobile 455 Big Block (69 "F" Block, F1 [High Nickle Content]) - 1969 Oldsmobile 455 "C" Large-Port Heads (2.07:1 Intake / 1.72:1 Exhaust Valves, Stainless Steel) - 1970 Oldsmobile 455 HO Toronado "K" Intake - TRW Forged Pistons .030 Overbore (w/ Chrome Moly rings) - 1969 Hardened Crank / Forged Rods (Shot peened / polished) - Joe Mondello JM-20-22 Camshaft (1400-5800 RPM Range, 0.496 In. Lift / 0.512 Exh. Lift) - Crane 1.6:1 Roller Rockers - Cloyes Tru-Roller Roller Timing Chain - 1972 Rochester QuadraJet (Tuned for a 72 Olds 455) - GM Performance Parts Hi-Volume Oil Pump - Light bowling / port and polish Edited September 26 by 82-T/A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punisher5.0 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 @82-T/A Machine apologized to you. Its time to move on. This has absolutely nothing to do with how much a Jaguar costs. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 2 minutes ago, Punisher5.0 said: @82-T/A Machine apologized to you. Its time to move on. This has absolutely nothing to do with how much a Jaguar costs. Well... we both could have afforded more Jaguars if we didn't spend so much money on cars. 😜 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 22 minutes ago, Punisher5.0 said: @82-T/A Machine apologized to you. Its time to move on. This has absolutely nothing to do with how much a Jaguar costs. True dat, but I must admit it was an interesting change from the usual kind of arguments in this forum 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Editorb Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 I have much slower cars, but only one at a time. Only mod I make is slowly filling it with detritus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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