ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog Posted October 6 Author Share Posted October 6 (edited) TBH Sauron I feel like Mr Nutz and Death Jr would be more worthwhile and interesting to explore compared to Bubsy. Death Jr's plots for the most part are kicked off by the fault of either himself or his friends. Mr Nutz fights freaky guys to save the world I doubt Bubsy would be redeemed through IMO like what GillyTheKid said Bubsy is always gonna suck Mr Nutz and Death Jr's absence feels wrong you can't have Atari without those guys and I'm trying to push those two as being alongside Bentley Bear as the "faces" over Bubsy Edited October 6 by ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roots.genoa Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Can you please show us where you saw that Atari owns the licenses of Mr Nutz and Death Jr? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog Posted October 6 Author Share Posted October 6 I can do that https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1e-tl9Oqwnr78879Lnne_uhlsGkPWFK_z428ZmUaJjog/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g2ff92e3406f_0_23 here's the link Death Jr and Mr Nutz are there 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 On 9/15/2024 at 12:49 AM, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: complain about this bobcat, I want Bubsy dead, and crushed to a point he'll never come back and rise again! You mean, you want a high quality Remaster of Death Jr., where the final and last character to be horribly slain is… Bubsy…? - - - Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog Posted October 6 Author Share Posted October 6 no, I didn't say I wanted a remaster of Death Jr where Bubsy was horribly slain, I meant to say that in a figurative sense the Bubsy franchise falls into ruin I just want a Mr Nutz and Death Jr Compilation because I feel Bubsy stole their "thunder and chance" Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) On 10/5/2024 at 5:20 AM, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: I want Bubsy crushed and knocked down so hard he can never get back up. And the only way to do that is to deny the Purfect Collection my money There is yet another better way! (add echo here for drama) If you’re serious, you buy the Bubsy IP from Atari, you buy the entire rights to everything AMICO, and make two happening in real life dependent on each others success. Now, if you’re not willing to go that far you’re not a serious critique nor threat to Mr. Bubsy… you’re just another handwaver and yeller. No peaceful protests will make Bubsy go away. No boycotting will work… … just you wait! You’ll never be safe; Bubsy can come through in patches, in DLCs, through old ROMs, through obscure EMU-releases on hardwares… Bubsy’ll get through, and stretch out a paw from under your bed and drag you straight into Low-Polygon Hell when you’re lose him out of sight for a second… Bubsy’ll come for you, he’s after you, you cannot stop him… he’s tireless and cannot be exhausted. He has only one mission; torment the soul of the platform-feinschmecker and irritate all normal gamers. All you can assemble is a peaceful ptotest… and like… boycott…? Wow… you’re not a hater, or even a remote disliker… What?! Are you a sort of Bubsy fan boy, just won’t admit you deep down admire his ways of seeping into the memory and consciousness of gamers … mark them, imprint itself in their minds, reset their focus… (look The Bubsy has you! You cannot think of anything but Bubsy now right, or ever, can you? Thats the mindtrick! - he just glues himself on, and now you’re doomed to define everything in your life according to Bubsy-standards! You’re in the trap already, so deep into the Shadow Bubsy Web Syndicate, you’ll never find out… Edited October 6 by Giles N Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog Posted October 6 Author Share Posted October 6 11 minutes ago, Giles N said: There is yet another better way! (add echo here for drama) If you’re serious, you buy the Bubsy IP from Atari, you buy the entire rights to everything AMICO, and make two happening in real life dependent on each others success. Now, if you’re not willing to go that far you’re not a serious critique to threat to Mr. Bubsy… you’re just another handwaver and yeller. No peaceful protests will make Bubsy go away. No God Dang It! That Bobcat is Like M Bison and Professor Bagura/Emperor Buggler and King Bowser Koopa! Why can he just die! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 32 minutes ago, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: no, I didn't say I wanted a remaster of Death Jr where Bubsy was horribly slain, …perhaps not directly at least… 32 minutes ago, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: I just want a Mr Nutz and Death Jr Compilation because I feel Bubsy stole their "thunder and chance" …do, what do you want that game to be about then…? So in this new ‘Death Jr. & Mr.Nutz’-game, what do you want Death Jr. to do with his Scythe on Mr. Nutz…? This one may fall off the shelves a little better, simply because, well, dunno if its been done before… in commercial video-gaming… Edited October 6 by Giles N Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog Posted October 6 Author Share Posted October 6 12 minutes ago, Giles N said: …perhaps not directly at least… …do, what do you want that game to be about then…? So in this new ‘Death Jr. & Mr.Nutz’-game, what do you want Death Jr. to do with his Scythe on Mr. Nutz…? This one may fall off the shelves a little better, simply because, well, dunno if its been done before… in commercial video-gaming… no, not Death Jr killing Mr Nutz, but a compilation of the all the Mr Nutz and Death Jr games and versions/ports out there Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: Why can he just die! because he always comes back to torment the souls of videogamers its always been his role In never-digitalized papers hailing back to the early 90ies, now yellowed with age and certain other uses, almost non-sensical scribblings were found… Analysed and translated by experts who’re no longer here, they found it said ‘I’ll be back too scratch your ‘woolly toyballs…particulary yours Mr.Nutz!Gettit-eh?! See ya in Low-Polygen-Hell!… HaHaaaHaa.’ As the analysing computer read out the last words, a hollow, thin, fizzy, voice, - a voice almost like a snotty, insolent kid as to intonation, yet even less charming and much less human-, could actually be heard in the room… Edited October 6 by Giles N Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5544998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDrawer Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: I can do that https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1e-tl9Oqwnr78879Lnne_uhlsGkPWFK_z428ZmUaJjog/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g2ff92e3406f_0_23 here's the link Death Jr and Mr Nutz are there I read that too, right when the IP list came out. I seriously hope Digital Eclipse releases a Death Jr. collection and gives it its signature "documentary game" approach to it. Screw it, they should even make a new game after that. Much more deserving of a comeback arc than Bubsy, for sure. That being said, I'd also like to see Bubsy getting redeemed somehow. Here's some interesting concept art for an alleged, official cancelled 3D Bubsy game, at least according to the artist. 1 2 3 and 4 Edited October 6 by TopDrawer 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 3 hours ago, TopDrawer said: That being said, I'd also like to see Bubsy getting redeemed somehow. Here's some interesting concept art for an alleged, official cancelled 3D Bubsy game, at least according to the artist. 1 2 3 and 4 Atari needs to not half ass it. They need to take the time and SPEND THE MONEY to do it right. Someone had a dialog with one of the neon sprint or Neo sprint developers and one of the main complaints was no online leaderboard or online play. Apparently the developers response was it wasn't worth it or something like that. I don't know if there was any clarity beyond that but that is ridiculous. I can only assume that the developers weren't paid for that and they had just finished their contract and finished up the basics or whatever and went no farther because it wasn't worth it to them. This has to stop right now because that's reminiscent of the old Atari. They need to pay the developers well enough to get a good job done or give the developers a stake in the games success. Whether that means percentage of the sales for the 1st year I don't know but something needs to be done differently. If they contract out Bubsy and get developers who really don't have the heart in it because it wasn't worth it or wanna do a do good job because it's not worth it that would be it a shame. Q: How come these levels and gameplay in this new Bubsy is poorly designed? Why not do x,y and z? Developer: It wasn't worth it. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) For retro-releases of Bubsy, Atari must embrace doing game-fixes, ie, - when an original had one or a handful of flaws that dragged down a, in other respects, ok, good or very good game, new retro re-releases must have alternative game modes - which either by using settings or options, or through new code implemented, does away with these flaws. 1. If its too difficult to loose a life, then more energy, some shield or some second chance-effect must in. 2. If the platforms are hard to hit with a overactive protagonist, throw in either an alternative, improved jump/land algorithm, or simply a new move - a break-hard button. 3.If camera is so ‘off’ you hardly see where you jump or fly, a new adjusted camera, must in. etc Edited October 7 by Giles N 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roots.genoa Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 11 hours ago, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: I can do that https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1e-tl9Oqwnr78879Lnne_uhlsGkPWFK_z428ZmUaJjog/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g2ff92e3406f_0_23 here's the link Death Jr and Mr Nutz are there Thanks. I stand corrected but I'm a little surprised since Mr Nutz creator's studio is called... Mr Nutz Studio. So if he doesn't have the rights to it, he could get into trouble. 😰 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 14 hours ago, ChefLowKeyAVengefulSavageDog said: TBH Sauron I feel like Mr Nutz and Death Jr would be more worthwhile and interesting to explore compared to Bubsy. Death Jr's plots for the most part are kicked off by the fault of either himself or his friends. Never heard of these. Bubsy is most likely the bigger IP. However if Atari also owns this IP there is no reason they couldn't explore that as well. Perhaps make it into a bigger IP. Right now with the gaming publics dissatisfaction with big companies like Ubisoft and others there is a chance for Atari to carve a niche for themselves. But they need to avoid developers who apparently say things in public like 'it wasn't worth it. No reason developers can't give it their all even if they're not getting paid top dollar. Then next time they come to the negotiating table they can tell Atari or whoever 'this is what we bring to the table. And now that you've gotten a sample, this time it will affect the price. Edited October 7 by JagChris Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 Also Atari needs to apply for government subsidies. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorclu Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 14 hours ago, TopDrawer said: Here's some interesting concept art for an alleged, official cancelled 3D Bubsy game, at least according to the artist. ... Above picture looks like it could have been for Bubsy: Woolies Strikes Back. Or maybe inspired by that game. 14 hours ago, TopDrawer said: Straight outta the Bubsy cartoon pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gFrJ72PxzU&t=207s 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDrawer Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 7 hours ago, Giles N said: For retro-releases of Bubsy, Atari must embrace doing game-fixes, ie, - when an original had one or a handful of flaws that dragged down a, in other respects, ok, good or very good game, new retro re-releases must have alternative game modes - which either by using settings or options, or through new code implemented, does away with these flaws. Basically the Nightdive approach. Re-release clunky boomer FPS games, but bundled with the game option of an enhanced mode with game fixes, etc. 3 hours ago, JagChris said: Never heard of these. Bubsy is most likely the bigger IP. However if Atari also owns this IP there is no reason they couldn't explore that as well. Perhaps make it into a bigger IP. Death Jr. was a pretty fun hack n slash for the PSP. It has a very 2000s Hot Topic-esque "quirky cartoony horror" aesthetic (think shit like Invader Zim, Nightmare Before Christmas, etc). It also had a sequel for the PSP and Wii, as well as a spinoff game for the DS. It even had a fairly successful comicbook series, with cover art done by Mike Mignola of all people (creator of Hellboy). It wasn't a showstopper back then, but I can see it sell pretty well tbh (nostalgia factor + that Hot Topic aesthetic is in vogue again). Edited October 7 by TopDrawer 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDrawer Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 Here's some more environment concepts for what I believe was also part of this cancelled project. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 9 hours ago, JagChris said: Also Atari needs to apply for government subsidies. Lols - in this thread we see things escalating: - Bubsy to be boycotted through demonstrations on the street (peaceful it is claimed, and really, who the hell believes that a anti-Bubsy demonstration will end up peacefully?) - Atari getting lobbyists in higher political circles just, of course to secure a few more bucks… After this thread we’ll see the Rise of a overnational political Atari-Party and the outbreak of global anti-Bubsy demonstration in the streets of every major city in the world; Bubsy-teddys burnt in piles, homes ripped open and ‘hidden Bubsies’ confiscated and piled on the fires.., But before any Celebrate these events we must of course make sure any Bubsy-game will be released at all. Lols / Edited October 7 by Giles N Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 5 hours ago, TopDrawer said: Basically the Nightdive approach. Re-release clunky boomer FPS games, but bundled with the game option of an enhanced mode with game fixes, etc. Two things then: 1) The need to get this done with the Bubsy 2D games 2) Well, actually do it! Do it, not just remind fans ND or DE could hypothetically do it. Make the games come with different / alternative versions having game modes where the issues are solved. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 1 hour ago, Giles N said: Lols - in this thread we see things escalating: - Bubsy to be boycotted through demonstrations on the street (peaceful it is claimed, and really, who the hell believes that a anti-Bubsy demonstration will end up peacefully?) - Atari getting lobbyists in higher political circles just, of course to secure a few more bucks… After this thread we’ll see the Rise of a overnational political Atari-Party and the outbreak of global anti-Bubsy demonstration in the streets of every major city in the world; Bubsy-teddys burnt in piles, homes ripped open and ‘hidden Bubsies’ confiscated and piled on the fires.., But before any Celebrate these events we must of course make sure any Bubsy-game will be released at all. Lols / Subsidies were originally meant to help struggling American companies or startups. Yeah Iit's unfortunately become something different now. But I don't see why Atari shouldn't give it a try. The iconic original video game company could use the help. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDrawer Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 4 hours ago, Giles N said: Two things then: 1) The need to get this done with the Bubsy 2D games 2) Well, actually do it! Do it, not just remind fans ND or DE could hypothetically do it. Make the games come with different / alternative versions having game modes where the issues are solved. I agree. Still pretty baffled why Atari went with Limited Run of all people to handle the game collection. My guess is that it wasn't actually their call, and this was mostly pre-planned when Billionsoft/Tommo was at helm of the franchise (before Atari reacquired it). I'd much rather prefer if DE handled that instead. With all the classic games (including the Jaguar game), enhanced/game-fixing modes for each game, as well as other game modes, original promo material, ads, interviews with the creators/developers, a whole segment breaking down the development of Bubsy 3D (what went wrong?), maybe a recreation of how Bubsy 3D was originally envisioned to be, a restored high quality version of the TV pilot, etc. Edited October 7 by TopDrawer 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 (edited) 47 minutes ago, TopDrawer said: I agree. Still pretty baffled why Atari went with Limited Run of all people to handle the game collection. My guess is that it wasn't actually their call, and this was mostly pre-planned when Billionsoft/Tommo was in helm of the franchise (before Atari reacquired it). I'd much rather prefer if DE handled that instead. With all the classic games (including the Jaguar game), enhanced/game-fixing modes for each game, as well as other game modes, original promo material, ads, interviews with the creators/developers, a whole segment breaking down the development of Bubsy 3D (what went wrong?), maybe a recreation of how Bubsy 3D was originally envisioned to be, a restored high quality version of the TV pilot, etc. Look here! A superb plan for a quality way to ‘revisit’ Bubsy in one way or other, which would have almost something for everyone! Atari, can you stop and hear; just hire TopDrawer and have the team ask him what they need to get in there! Edited October 7 by Giles N 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted October 7 Share Posted October 7 21 minutes ago, Giles N said: Look here! A superb plan for a quality way to ‘revisit’ Bubsy in one way or other, which would have almost something for everyone! Atari, can you stop and hear; just hire TopDrawer and have the team ask him what they need to get in there! 🙄 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/372500-my-own-personal-thoughts-on-bubsy-the-bobcat/page/3/#findComment-5545669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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