Video Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 Yeah, vectrex. Would be cool to see some adds from bitd, but yeah, I never even heard of it till late 90's personally. Wonder between o2 and Fairchild which did worse? I knew a few people with the channel f, but not till the 90*s did I find someone who had an odyssey2, just as I was coming into finances and collecting everything was becoming a thing for me. Totally bought it, kind of disappointed it was "just A 2600 with a keyboard" (loved the joystick on that thing though, so springy) Anyhow, yeah, following generations is a pain, especially when you go multiplatform as companies routinely tried to one up each other as their previous console was waning. Like atari, obviously pong, 2600, 5200, 7800, jaguar, pretty easy to follow, unless you count lynx, but I'd lump it with 7800 as it was intended to cohabitate with that. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 30 minutes ago, Video said: Wonder between o2 and Fairchild which did worse? I knew a few people with the channel f, but not till the 90*s did I find someone who had an odyssey2, just as I was coming into finances and collecting everything was becoming a thing for me. Totally bought it, kind of disappointed it was "just A 2600 with a keyboard" (loved the joystick on that thing though, so springy) My gut says that O2 did better, but maybe because I remember seeing the ads for that, especially when they released the "KC Munchkin" game which caused a bit of a stir at the height of Pacman-mania I don't recall seeing any ads or hype for Channel-F, but I might just have been too young? I knew one person who had each system so that doesn't help haha. 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+jeremiahjt Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 I have heard the Odyssey 2 sold upwards of two million units. Anecdotally, I have two or three Odyssey 2 systems, quite a few games, and I see them regularly in the wild. My local game store has two boxed ones right now, one of which is near pristine. Conversely, I have never seen a Channel F and I have only come across a small handful of games in my entire life. 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 The Odyssey2 did particularly well in Europe and had a second life in Brasil. A March 1982 newspaper article had the Odyssey2 install base in the United States at the time at around 200 thousand homes. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPF997 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, jeremiahjt said: I have heard the Odyssey 2 sold upwards of two million units. Anecdotally, I have two or three Odyssey 2 systems, quite a few games, and I see them regularly in the wild. My local game store has two boxed ones right now, one of which is near pristine. Conversely, I have never seen a Channel F and I have only come across a small handful of games in my entire life. If the Odyssey 2 sold around 2 million units then that means it sold roughly the same as Ataris other competitors (Intellivision and Coleco Vision), yet another reason why the name of this DLC is more marketing than actual history. Edited October 11 by JPF997 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 14 minutes ago, JPF997 said: If the Odyssey 2 sold around 2 million units then that means it sold roughly the same as Ataris other competitors (Intellivision and Coleco Vision), yet another reason why the name of this DLC is more marketing than actual history. Mattel engaged in a console war through all the head-to-head comparisons, and Atari struck back with their own ads. I don't recall Magnavox doing the same. There also weren't legions of Odyssey 2 fanboys proclaiming the superiority of their console, so no I don't think that was a console war, they were just two products that happened to be on the market at the same time that ignored each other (apart from the time Atari sued Magnavox over KC Munchkin) 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, JPF997 said: If the Odyssey 2 sold around 2 million units then that means it sold roughly the same as Ataris other competitors (Intellivision and Coleco Vision), yet another reason why the name of this DLC is more marketing than actual history. Lifetime Intellivision system sales were more than double that number. North American Intellivision console numbers through 1981 more than four times Odyssey2. Edited October 11 by mr_me 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPF997 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 (edited) 33 minutes ago, mr_me said: Lifetime Intellivision system sales were more than double that number. North American Intellivision console numbers through 1981 more than four times Odyssey2. The last sales figures I've seen for Intellivision put it's total sales at roughly 3.7 million units which is not more than double of the Odyssey 2 and Coleco Vision ( 2 million ). Intellivision selling four times more than the Odyssey 2 in 1981 in America reminds me of the Game Gears Christmas victories in 1991/1992 in the US against the Gameboy, impressive but inconsequential at the end of the day. Edited October 11 by JPF997 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 (edited) 44 minutes ago, JPF997 said: The last sales figures I've seen for Intellivision put it's total sales at roughly 3.7 million units which is not more than double of the Odyssey 2 and Coleco Vision ( 2 million ). Intellivision selling four times more than the Odyssey 2 in 1981 in America reminds me of the Game Gears Christmas victories in 1991/1992 in the US against the Gameboy, impressive but inconsequential at the end of the day. That number is only through 1983. We don't have numbers for Intellivision console sales from 1984 through 1990 but based on serials it would certainly take it over four million. Colecovision numbers are only through first quarter 1984, and based on serials, estimates take it to around 2.5 million maybe more. Those aren't 1981 sales numbers, they are based on the install base in the US at the time from that March 1982 newspaper article. Considering that Intellivisions sold for about 50% higher price than an Odyssey2 that would give Mattel an even larger market share. Another thing you can do to compare the impact these systems had is looking at discussion forum activity over time. You'd have to go find the popular Odyssey2 discussion forums because it doesn't seem to be on Atariage. Edited October 11 by mr_me 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+pboland Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 19 hours ago, zzip said: ...There also weren't legions of Odyssey 2 fanboys proclaiming the superiority of their console, so no I don't think that was a console war, they were just two products that happened to be on the market at the same time that ignored each other (apart from the time Atari sued Magnavox over KC Munchkin) As an Odyssey 2 fanboy, I'm officially proclaiming the superiority of the Odyssey 2 console. Long live the keyboard! 😁 😎 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5547929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cjherr Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 On 10/12/2024 at 9:58 AM, pboland said: As an Odyssey 2 fanboy, I'm officially proclaiming the superiority of the Odyssey 2 console. Long live the keyboard! 😁 😎 Agreed. The O2 has it's own charm. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5549299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyindrew Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 On 10/12/2024 at 9:58 AM, pboland said: As an Odyssey 2 fanboy, I'm officially proclaiming the superiority of the Odyssey 2 console. Long live the keyboard! 😁 😎 My Odyssey 2 story-Christmas morning 1981, my best friend got an Odyssey 2 under his tree. We hooked it up, played it for over an hour, I looked at him and my 9 year old self commented "this is Atari for poor people". LOL! 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5549318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 On 10/11/2024 at 1:50 PM, JPF997 said: yet another reason why the name of this DLC is more marketing than actual history. Nope. It's history and marketing, and It really happened.There's a story to be told, simple as that. Just like the SNES vs Genesis days.. Turbo who? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5549422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwlngmad Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 On 10/11/2024 at 8:28 AM, Video said: Wonder between o2 and Fairchild which did worse? I knew a few people with the channel f, but not till the 90*s did I find someone who had an odyssey2, just as I was coming into finances and collecting everything was becoming a thing for me. Totally bought it, kind of disappointed it was "just A 2600 with a keyboard" (loved the joystick on that thing though, so springy) The O2 definitely did better as the Videopac G7000 was popular in Europe and Brazil, as noted earlier. The Fairchild, while quirky and cool, just wasn't a winner. Not to say that the O2 did amazing or anything. But, it had legs and sold well. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5549486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+pboland Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 4 hours ago, Flyindrew said: My Odyssey 2 story-Christmas morning 1981, my best friend got an Odyssey 2 under his tree. We hooked it up, played it for over an hour, I looked at him and my 9 year old self commented "this is Atari for poor people". LOL! I guess we were poor. 😞 But back then it was still fun! 😀 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5549508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyindrew Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 (edited) 15 hours ago, pboland said: I guess we were poor. 😞 But back then it was still fun! 😀 Oh no I wasnt insinuating that you were poor, I just thought the non politically correct statement (by todays standards) was kinda funny LOL In reality, every system has its own unique charm (including the Odyssey 2 lol) , and with that said there is no "better or worse". Edited October 16 by Flyindrew 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5549845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+pboland Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 10 minutes ago, Flyindrew said: Oh no I wasnt insinuating that you were poor, I just thought the non politically correct statement (by todays standards) was kinda funny LOL In reality, every system has its own unique charm (including the Odyssey 2 lol) , and with that said there is no "better or worse". You're fine. I didn't take it personally. I thought your statement was a funny. I was just rolling with it. 👍 Long live the keyboard!!! (give me a break, I'm trying to start a movement here ) But seriously, sometimes some of these topics get a little heated and sometimes I just want to see a little levity. I do like my O2 but I wouldn't really call myself a fanboy (even through I did just that as a joke). It was just for some lighthearted banter. @atarifan88 I'm sorry if I didn't stay on topic. I do agree with your original post. I too am hoping to play Tower of Mystery, Treasure of Tarmin, and In Search of the Golden Skull. If that does become a reality. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5549858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabialt Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 On 10/8/2024 at 2:46 PM, MateusSolo said: Given the inclusion of 500 versions of Berzerk in the first DLC (which was a GREAT decision, by the way), I suppose Digital Eclipse will include both M-Network's 2600 games and their respective original Intellivision versions? There will be no Intellivision games, only games for 2600 (M-Networks) and other systems that are already available in the collection (like the 800). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabialt Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 So far, the following games have been confirmed: The First Console War: Armor Ambush - Atari 2600 Astroblast - Atari 2600 Dark Cavern - Atari 2600 Hardball - Atari 800 International Soccer - Atari 2600 Super Challenge Baseball - Atari 2600 Super Challenge Football - Atari 2600 Previously 20, now 19 games, as Frisky Tom (5200) was removed from the DLC. Prototypes (plural) that have never been available online before will be available in the DLC. I can't confirm anything, but several M-Network prototypes fit the bill, even if you only include games that aren't licensed. https://history.blueskyrangers.com/mnetwork/ This site says there are 19 Mattel prototypes for the 2600, but only 14 do not involve third parties. To find out about the games that Atari could include in the collection, we can round up the list of I.P. that Atari recently released: When comparing this list of Atari IPs with the list of games on the website I shared, you will notice that 18 of the 36 games are not on the Atari list. (Including Swordfight, which was available in the Atari Vault DLC.) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabialt Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 (edited) I personally don't think there will be any future Atari 50 DLCs that contain Intellivision games, but I believe that in the near future we will hear about a collection entirely and exclusively of Intellivision games. My speculation is based on 3 facts; Atari owns Digital Eclipse and a large catalog of Intellivision games, no Intellivision game will be available in the "Atari 50: The First Console War" DLC, and it makes more sense to sell it as a new collection than to sell it as DLC for the Atari 50. Catalog ^ Maybe you can already see if my theory is correct, but I really don't know how to look at SEC documents. https://realotakugamer.com/sec-report-reveals-numerous-collections-coming-including-a-llamasoft-collection-karateka-collection-pong-collection/85850/ News talking about Karateka, Llamasoft and Pong Collections being published 10 months before the release of The Making of Karateka, 17 months before Llamasoft: The Jeff Minter Story, and also commented on a Pong Collection being developed by Digital Eclipse. Edited October 21 by wasabialt Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 1 hour ago, wasabialt said: I personally don't think there will be any future Atari 50 DLCs that contain Intellivision games, but I believe that in the near future we will hear about a collection entirely and exclusively of Intellivision games. My speculation is based on 3 facts; Atari owns Digital Eclipse and a large catalog of Intellivision games, no Intellivision game will be available in the "Atari 50: The First Console War" DLC, and it makes more sense to sell it as a new collection than to sell it as DLC for the Atari 50. When was this confirmed? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasabialt Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 9 minutes ago, Atariboy said: When was this confirmed? There are some screenshots showing DLC content (only 2600 and 800 games appeared), also the description only mentions M Networks and M Networks prototypes. Very strange that there is no mention of Intellivision games + screenshots of Intellivision games being included. It's a guess, but I would bet on it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 Thanks I wouldn't call it a fact, although I suspect that your guess will end up accurate. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyindrew Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 10 hours ago, wasabialt said: I personally don't think there will be any future Atari 50 DLCs that contain Intellivision games, but I believe that in the near future we will hear about a collection entirely and exclusively of Intellivision games. My speculation is based on 3 facts; Atari owns Digital Eclipse and a large catalog of Intellivision games, no Intellivision game will be available in the "Atari 50: The First Console War" DLC, and it makes more sense to sell it as a new collection than to sell it as DLC for the Atari 50. I totally agree. I think we will see "something" with the original Intellivision content in the future. Thus far we really havent heard a peep from Atari regarding original Intellivision content. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 4 hours ago, Flyindrew said: Thus far we really havent heard a peep from Atari regarding original Intellivision content. Except for this, which is … something interesting if you’re familiar with Bob’s work. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/373497-atari-50-the-first-console-war/page/4/#findComment-5552755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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