Tempest Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 There is a prototype of Submarine Commander by Atari, but it was never released by them (it's exactly the same since they developed it), maybe that's what he's refering to? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 Uh, yeah, there's also no such thing as Glacier Patrol by Sunrise, so I don't know where he's pulling that $30 value from. Etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Asmo Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 The Digital Price Press guide has Glacier Patrol being released by both Sunrise and Telegames.. The telegames version is a 12$ (3) and The Sunrise version is a $30 (6). I don't have a copy of the Sunrise version, so I can't verify it's existence personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 Glacier Patrol by Sunrise simply does not exist. It's an error that's been repeated by many sources, including the DP Guide. I would love to be proved wrong (show me a cart!). Ask around, *nobody* has this title, because it doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Asmo Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 Wow.. I didn't know that. I'd had always just assumed it existed, because I had seen it in so many sources, and I'm quite a way from having a complete 2600 collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 I would humbly submit that our list is the most complete by far, except for the label variation list that Tempest maintains. If you see something in another list that we don't have, it's either just been discovered, it's a minor label variation, or it's probably wrong. We take great pains to update our list as quickly as possible, and we always invite people to submit corrections/additions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Asmo Posted July 17, 2001 Share Posted July 17, 2001 What do you consider a "minor" label variation? I've seen Zellers end-label variations that you don't have.. mainly that some Zellers games come with the end label written in a "wide" and a "narrow" font... it's pretty instantly recognizable.. I can send a pic if you'd like. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Please submit all those Zeller label variations to me as well. I don't have those listed. http://www.msu.edu/user/reicher6/labelvar7.txt Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Asmo Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 "Challenge" is the only label variation I own, but I've seen others. I'll try and get pics of them from other people's collections (I only recently started collecting label variations). Note how one of the labels is upsidedown as well. Here's some pics I took: Cheers, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Asmo Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Oops.. I'll try that again: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Personally, I consider font size a minor label variation. I don't think most people want to have every game in every font that it was made. I'm always for including more stuff on the site, but I prefer to get entirely new listings before I go after font/copyright/printing type variations. There are lots of PAL games that I'll make an effort to add in the future. Major variations are like Atari silver label vs. red label. Or Activision normal labels vs. blue labels. When you get into fonts etc, the list will just get incredibly huge. Could you imagine the Giant List that Tempest has, but in the format that we have (scans, etc.)? Ack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Font differences like that I'll go for, but I draw the line at the text2/text3 font difference. Different text colors and Sears serial numbers, these are a few of my favorite things... Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Asmo Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 I prefer the really "obvious" differences too, like the Activision blue vs. color or Atari text vs. silver vs. red, etc. I think the Zellers one almost fits into this definition, tho, becuase the difference in the end labels is rather dramatic. My rule of thumb is, if a "non-collector" can easily spot the difference between two carts, then it counts. Differences like © 1987 and © 1988 don't interest me that much. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 Chess by Sears Submarine Commander by Atari I have been using a rarity list I got from: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcad...883/rarity.html That list contains those two carts but they aren't listed here. The other list could very well be wrong but just wanted to bring it up in the message board to see if anyone knew. Unfortunately, I don't own either so I can't say whether they exist or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Submarine Commander was never released by Atari, instead they gave it to Sears to release as an exclusive (along with Steeplechase and Stellar Track). The Sears version of Chess is called Video Chess. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 Thanks! It's interesting that the creator of the rarity list at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcad...883/rarity.html must really believe that Submarine Commander was made by Atari and Sears. He has Sear's version with an estimated value of $35 and Atari's version with an estimated value of $75!!! I'll email him and let him know of the error on his list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 Wow, I really have sparked off quite the conversation here! I don't think I'd ever buy a game off eBay just because it has a different label than the game I have has. But when I'm lucky enough to see games at a garage sale (and I haven't been in about a month now), I want to buy them all regardless of whether I have the exact game already. But then when I'd go to sell/trade my duplicates, I'd definitely lean towards getting rid of exact duplicates and would lean towards saving games with different label versions. Just a thought. I have been collecting Atari games since I was a kid (I'm 26 now). I'm the original owner of many of my games. As the stores in the early 90's slowly stopped carrying the games, I started going to garage sales and picking them up. Then I stopped collecting them from about 93 thru 98 (my college years) and I've been back in the swing of things in the last couple years now. For my 2600, I have 233 non-duplicate games and 63 duplicates. I know that's not nearly the impressive collections that many have today but I just love playing the old games! Not sure why I just launched into this rambling but I think it's just really great being able to talk to so many other retrogaming fans at the same time.....somebody who will appreciate when I say I have about 300 atari games. And for the record, I'd say my favorite games for the 2600 would be Midnight Magic, Golf and Adventure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 What happened to my tank!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 There's my tank!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Golf??? You actually list Golf as one of your favorite games? I always thought it was poor even for 1977, it's right up there with Football. Your chracter is a blob with a severe beer gut and the mechanics with the swinging make it play more like croquet. Yuck! Mini-golf on the other hand wasn't that bad. Graphics suck, but it was interesting... Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 Oops! I did mean Mini-golf. Thanks for jogging my memory so I could set the record straight! But I don't think Golf was as bad of a game as you make it out to be! What's a good sports game made in the early Atari days? Homerun? Football? Golf? Video Olympics? Basketball? I guess they'd all be pretty bad from a neutral standpoint. Maybe I would prefer Realsports Football to Football today, but I definitely have spent time enjoying all those games when it was their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 And by the way, the famous Robsterman gave the game a 70/100 with the indepth comment: "Not a bad game of golf, if you like the sport, that is, which I don’t." So come on! How can you ignore that!!! Not to give the guy too much crap, he's put effort into a web page to promote retrogaming. Does everyone know about his website? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 That may not be a name you want to mention around here... I actually thought most of the early sports games were ok. Basketball is the best of the lot I think, it's still kind of fun to plug in for a few mintues every now and then. Mini-Golf doesn't ever get mentioned, it's like most people don't know it exists. Of course since Atari stopped distributing it in 79 that may contribute to that. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstefans Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 I just came across his website one day and didn't really understand what he was trying to do. They weren't really reviews, just weird comments....I thought he was making fun of people who write reviews or something. I haven't been on these message boards other than recently so I probably haven't heard everything that went on. I'd like to find some message board archives to get myself up to date on the whole thing which sounds interesting. I'm way out of the loop on this one! Oh, and I definitely agree that mini golf doesn't get the attention that it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Oh, and when you try out that rom remember that it doesn't use the joystick. The # and * buttons change you angle and the button fires. It took me forever to figure that out. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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