rolenta Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Ugh! He's selling Midnight Tiger????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Ugh! He's selling Midnight Tiger????? Is that a horrible book? The writer of it asked me to put it on my own web site a while ago. Should I take it down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolenta Posted June 5, 2004 Author Share Posted June 5, 2004 Unfortunately, it is. Here's what we had to say about it on the DP forum: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic....=midnight+tiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolenta Posted June 5, 2004 Author Share Posted June 5, 2004 and here: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic....=midnight+tiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted June 5, 2004 Share Posted June 5, 2004 Unfortunately, it is. Here's what we had to say about it on the DP forum:http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31634&highlight=midnight+tiger OK, thanks. I'll take it off my web site today. I wish everyone who has read the book would review it at Amazon.com so people know how bad it is: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...8618083-0425719 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 Ugh! He's selling Midnight Tiger????? Is that a horrible book? The writer of it asked me to put it on my own web site a while ago. Should I take it down? This is off topic, but.. I had a bad experience with the author, Ben Coulson, with regards to the Midnight Tiger. A while back he wanted me to carry the book in the AtariAge Store. He sent me a copy of the book, and I looked through it briefly as I was busy at the time. In my initial browse through the book I saw MANY mistakes, as has been pointed out previously. I'm not talking just a typo here or there, but mistakes on nearly every page, with many factual errors. I told Ben I would go through the book in more detail when I had time and give him additional information on the mistakes I found. Well, some time passes, and Ben periodically emailed me asking when I would carry the book, and he was getting somewhat anxious. Then something strange happened. Out of the blue on February 12th I received several emails from different people inquiring about the book. I quote, Hello. First time I have done this, not quite sure what to say? I am looking for a book, an atari review guide called The Midnight Tiger Guide to Atari 2600 games. I was told that you might be stocking it but I searched your store and could not find it. I am trying to get a copy of it so could you please let me know if you are stocking said item or where I could find it. My thanks to you Next, I was wondering if you have heard of a book called MidnightTigers Guide to Atari Games? and if so, is it available to buy through your website? I have been looking to buy it and other atari type books. If you know how they can be purchased, please contact me. And then, Hi have you any plans to stock a review guide called the Midnight Tiger Guide to Atari 2600 games? I was told that you might sell them cheaper than amazon.com. Could you please advise if you have any in stock or if you are going to get any in stock? These messages were received within a few hours of one another and came from different AOL accounts. Not 34 minutes after receiving the last email (from "John Carter"), I received another message from Ben inquiring again as to when I would start selling the book. I thought this was somewhat suspicious, but I didn't say anything. Then a week later I received an email from Ben using a different email account that MATCHED the email address that "David Walker" used. I confronted Ben about this and he denied it all, claiming David Walker was a "co-worker" and that this was a work email address they shared. Right. Needless to say, I won't be adding this book to the AtariAge Store, not just because of the book's less than stellar quality, but also because of this attempt to manipulate me into thinking there is interest in the book. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk7382 Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 I confronted Ben about this and he denied it all, claiming David Walker was a "co-worker" and that this was a work email address they shared. Right. Needless to say, I won't be adding this book to the AtariAge Store, not just because of the book's less than stellar quality, but also because of this attempt to manipulate me into thinking there is interest in the book. That is pretty sad if someone tries to spur intrest in their book by sending fake emails and then lying about it when it is obvious there was no other people. (Like what are the chances of him and a "co-worker" sending emails to the same person about the same subject on the same day? Most likely about a million to one) I would have been quite irate with him if he tried to pull that crap on me. Thanks for the heads up from everyone about this book, I will be sure to NEVER pick up a copy of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted June 6, 2004 Share Posted June 6, 2004 I had a bad experience with the author, Ben Coulson, with regards to the Midnight Tiger. Thanks for the extra anti-Midnight Tiger information. I already took the links off my web site and I hope all of those who have read it and didn't like it will go to Amazon.com and write a negative review so that others will be warned. I haven't read it, so I can't review it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oesii Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 I had a bad experience with the author, Ben Coulson, with regards to the Midnight Tiger. Thanks for the extra anti-Midnight Tiger information. I already took the links off my web site and I hope all of those who have read it and didn't like it will go to Amazon.com and write a negative review so that others will be warned. I haven't read it, so I can't review it. In one of those links over at DP, the author of Midnight Tiger obviously did the same thing by posting with a made up name, his support of the book and trying to discredit Leonard's review. Pretty sad shilling and don't these guys figure out that shilling through the internet is usually seen easily with all the electronic tracking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 In one of those links over at DP, the author of Midnight Tiger obviously did the same thing by posting with a made up name, his support of the book and trying to discredit Leonard's review. Pretty sad shilling and don't these guys figure out that shilling through the internet is usually seen easily with all the electronic tracking? LMFAO! I just went back and looked at that post, you can see it here. The first time I read this message I didn't think much about the username foxbatslayer, but then it clicked!! The guy's main email address is foxbatslayer1989@aol.com. This address was listed as contact information for an article on the book in Retro Magazin (appears to be the April issue, but I don't have the magazine, only found a PDF of that single page here.) That certainly sheds any doubts I might have had about what Ben was attempting to do to me. The many errors in the book don't seem very surprising in hindsight, as this guy doesn't appear to be too bright. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Player Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Now if Ben had only spend that much time writing his book, think of where we would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 I just went back and looked at that post, you can see it here. The first time I read this message I didn't think much about the username foxbatslayer, but then it clicked!! The guy's main email address is foxbatslayer1989@aol.com. This address was listed as contact information for an article on the book in Retro Magazin (appears to be the April issue, but I don't have the magazine, only found a PDF of that single page here.) BTW: I didn't know that you are reading(? ) German magazines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolenta Posted June 7, 2004 Author Share Posted June 7, 2004 BTW: I didn't know that you are reading(? ) German magazines. Thomas, can you translate this for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Thomas, can you translate this for us? With a "little" help from Bablefish: Literature for Atari of 2600 friendsA new, remarkable book for all Atari 2600-Fans is recently in Great Britain appeared, which we absolutely present you want: Ben Coulson: The Midnight tiger - Complete Guide ton of Atari 2600 video Games Midnight tiger?! Clearly: the first question, those emerges! Calling the book has one very special background. Ben Coulson, author the book, only Atari is notfan but full-time writers. In one its Novels at which it straight, is called those writes Main figure "Midnight tiger". There Ben besides Fable for tigers does not have and it straight anything better , he broke in for this title decided. Whether this title and the pertinent frontispiece itself absolutely salespromoting on its book affect are times undecided, but possible It has law cases thereby already in Apron impossible... That would hereby be clarified; -) In the age of the Internets are New publications on the book market surely rather the exception. Usually bring up for discussion these books then also usually history the video game industry or those describe Variety of the historical geraetschaften. Here however it exclusively concerns for that VCS Atari 2600 published plays. Ben Coulson, the author, collects after own Data, since 1981 plays for Atari 2600 and have accordingly all plays, those before and appeared also afterwards in its Book taken up. One sees times of "regional" rare pieces and approve of Taiwan Pirat copies off, in addition count also in Germany von Quelle and other department stores sold plays, the sub-title meets "Complete Guide ton of Atari 2600 video Games "the nail on the head! All plays of the well-known and unknown Manufacturers do not only become here on 180 sides mentioned, no - all plays become Comments delivered. The comments contain personal in each case Evaluations of the author whether the play value, in addition, interesting background informations, Rare piece estimates etc.. Even plays of "unofficial" manufacturers (Hozer, Ebivision, Atariage) and prototypes are missing here not! The plays are in alphabetical Sequence arranged. At the end of the book the author gives information to the individual manufacturers (historical, information, number of programmed ...) and it also, numerous does not forget plays To abandon InterNet addresses. This (unfortunately only) into English paperback appeared can I each collecting tank of Atari 2600 plays recommend - the book pleases me really much well! If one can live thereby, not always with the estimates of the author conformal too go doing and without pictures and Screenshots can (then would be safe from the paperback a thick expensive book become) and one not collecting tank of pirat copies is absolute: BUY! Appeared the book 2003 in the Upfront P u b l i s h i n g VE r l A g (L e i C e s t e r s h i r e) (www.upfrontpublishing.com). ISBN: 1-84426-265-0 Momentary is me an order only over AMAZON.de admits. Who a marked copy of the author wishes, which has me Ben insured, gladly personally, with the reference Retro can To be magazine reader, with it contact aufnehmen:Foxbatslayer1989@aol.com It offers the book for 11,50 Pound (inclusive dispatch) on, those are approx.. 16 euro. Ben puts still CD for the PC von Hozer Hozer-Video in addition! And still something: Ben Coulson works at present at a "Arcade Review Guide (1975-2000), the date of publication stands however still not firmly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirantho Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 OK, thanks. I'll take it off my web site today. I wish everyone who has read the book would review it at Amazon.com so people know how bad it is: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1844262650/102-8618083-0425719 This is classic.. check out the user comments, and compare comment no. 3 with comment no. 5. It would appear, that the people of Cranfield, Bedford (UK) are really into Atari 2600 gaming, or something... who'd have thought it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolenta Posted June 7, 2004 Author Share Posted June 7, 2004 Ben Coulson works at present at a "Arcade Review Guide (1975-2000), the date of publication stands however stillnot firmly. Egads!!!! Thanks for the translation Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 This is classic.. check out the user comments, and compare comment no. 3 with comment no. 5. It would appear, that the people of Cranfield, Bedford (UK) are really into Atari 2600 gaming, or something... who'd have thought it? At least there are now two (very recent) bad reviews too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oesii Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 OK, thanks. I'll take it off my web site today. I wish everyone who has read the book would review it at Amazon.com so people know how bad it is: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1844262650/102-8618083-0425719 This is classic.. check out the user comments, and compare comment no. 3 with comment no. 5. It would appear, that the people of Cranfield, Bedford (UK) are really into Atari 2600 gaming, or something... who'd have thought it? Unbelievable, he uses most of the same text in both reviews and pretends to be an impartial reviewer at first. I guess his second review he signed it as the author but at least he was kind enough to leave a 5-star rating. What an enormous shill this guy is, must be from a family of snake oil salesmen or travelling con artists. Talk about trying too hard, fix the errors next time and let the book sell itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oesii Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 Oh, and I would but some money down that the other 5-star rating on Amazon is also a shill from Ben. He's fixated on having reviewed exactly over 600 games, way to tip your hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 OK, thanks. I'll take it off my web site today. I wish everyone who has read the book would review it at Amazon.com so people know how bad it is: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1844262650/102-8618083-0425719 This is classic.. check out the user comments, and compare comment no. 3 with comment no. 5. It would appear, that the people of Cranfield, Bedford (UK) are really into Atari 2600 gaming, or something... who'd have thought it? Thanks to those who are reviewing the book at Amazon.com. It's nice to see some real reviews. I hate fake book reviews. Some books at Amazon.com have fake negative reviews just because people don't like the subject. You can tell that some of them haven't even read the book, but a real negative review is very helpful. For anyone else who has read the book and hates it, please keep those negative reviews coming: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...8618083-0425719 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolenta Posted June 7, 2004 Author Share Posted June 7, 2004 The guy's main email address is foxbatslayer1989@aol.com 1989? I wonder if that was the year this guy was born. Does anyone know him? Is it possibe that he's only 15 years old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathtrappomegranate Posted June 7, 2004 Share Posted June 7, 2004 This address was listed as contact information for an article on the book in Retro Magazin (appears to be the April issue, but I don't have the magazine, only found a PDF of that single page here.) I wonder if the reviewer is the same guy who sells signed copies of the book on ebay.de ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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