Albert Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 We just received email from someone asking us to include a list of which 7800 use the second button in the 7800 FAQ. I figured it would be easiest to ask the experts out there, and when we have a complete list we'll add the info to the FAQ. I don't know which games use the second button, but I just scanned through all the 7800 manuals briefly and came up with an initial list: Ace of Aces Alien Brigade Basketbrawl Dark Chambers Double Dragon Fatal Run F-18 Hornet Ikari Warriors Jinks Karateka Mat Mania Challenge Midnight Mutants Motor Psycho Ninja Golf One-on-One Planet Smashers Pole Position II Rampage Realsports Baseball Scrapyard Dog Super Huey Tank Command Tomcat: F14 Water Ski Did I miss any? I can't believe Xevious only uses one button! ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 Xevious does use two buttons... If you have a one button stick, it uses one, if you use the proline it uses both buttons fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 You also missed Xenophobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 And Commando... Further updates as events warrant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Propane13 Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 And Desert Falcon (right button = select heiroglyphic action) Perhaps it would be easier to list those that use only one button, instead.... -John K. Harvey [ 02-19-2002: Message edited by: John K. Harvey ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 19, 2002 Author Share Posted February 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by John K. Harvey: Perhaps it would be easier to list those that use only one button, instead.... Yeah, no kidding. I had no idea that so many 7800 games actually took advantage of both buttons. Perhaps the FAQ should list all the games that only use a single button (and would therefore work with any 2600 joystick) and those that use both buttons and threfore require a ProLine controller. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 You also missed cracked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizoc Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Albert: Perhaps the FAQ should list all the games that only use a single button (and would therefore work with any 2600 joystick) and those that use both buttons and threfore require a ProLine controller. Then of course there are the games that use two buttons, but map the feature to a single button (when a single button controller is used) like Xevious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerG Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 Check out: http://members.aol.com/~Atari7800games/7800list.htm/ He has a great website with a list of every 7800 game and whether it uses 1, 2 or # buttons. The site is in the links of the good ol' AtariAge website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 quoteCheck out: http://members.aol.com/~Atari7800games/7800list.htm/ Yeah, that's my site. Al, did that email go through the 7800 FAQ address? I didn't get it. Mitch http://atari7800.atari.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night Phantom Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 quote: Originally posted by John K. Harvey: How many people does it take to make a question that is asked a true "Frequently" Asked Question? Just one...if he asks it a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 How does the 7800 know when you have a 2-button joystick or not? Would it require that you press one of the buttons to reset the game perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Propane13 Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Choplifter too (right button = rotate chopper) -John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Propane13 Posted February 20, 2002 Share Posted February 20, 2002 Ah, but the real question here is philosophical in nature... How many people does it take to make a question that is asked a true "Frequently" Asked Question? The mind boggles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Kay Posted February 24, 2002 Share Posted February 24, 2002 It appears the 7800 detects which controller is hooked up when the machine powers up. I've noticed this from playing Asteroids. If you switch from a one button to two button or vice-versa while the machine is powered up, it retains control defaulting to the original controller that was plugged in. But perhaps this routine is written into software, not hardware... anybody know? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 26, 2002 Author Share Posted February 26, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Joey Kay: It appears the 7800 detects which controller is hooked up when the machine powers up. Is this really the case? The second button isn't used for anything unique Asteroids, as far as I know. A look through the manual shows that both controller buttons are used to fire. So it doesn't sound like the second button is used for any additional functionality, which is why it would work fine with a single button joystick. I don't think the 7800 is sophisticated enough to detect what type of controllers are plugged into it, much less detect controllers at all. Modern game systems do this, but their controllers are quite a bit more complex than the very simple controllers used in most classic game systems. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Propane13 Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Albert: The second button isn't used for anything unique in Asteroids, as far as I know. A look through the manual shows that both controller buttons are used to fire. Hold on, there. As far as I recall: Left button = shoot Right button = hyperspace In the 2600-land, you pressed down to hyperspace. I don't remember what pressing the joystick down does in the 7800 version; either it slows you down, or does nothing at all. -John K. Harvey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckhard Stolberg Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 Asteroids uses one button to fire and the other button for hyperspace. But the 7800 doesn't detect the controller type automatically. This has to be done by the game itself. I don't know how Asteroids does it, but when reading the proline joysticks is enabled in the 7800, then pushing a button will trigger the button line and one of the paddle lines. If there is a signal on the button line but not on either of the paddle lines, then a non-proline joystick must be connected. If there is a way to detect the joystick without having the user push a button, I'm not sure. Ciao, Eckhard Stolberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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