Tempest Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I just got my Apple IIgs and I noticed that the RGB monitor it came with is so tiny. I have a slightly larger monitor for my Apple IIe (called the IIe Color Monitor), can I use that monitor with my IIgs? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VidGameKing Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Yes, but the IIgs monitor is capable of displaying more colors, and a higher resolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 Ahh so it is different. Is there a bigger IIgs compatible monitor? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariman Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I believe my IIgs has composite video out (pretty sure it wasn't RF). Doesn't yours? All I know is that I've *never* hooked my IIgs up to a IIgs monitor - only my TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 Yes you can do RF, but wouldn't the resoultion be way less than the IIgs monitor? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockin' Kat Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 There is no RF output on the IIgs. Only Composite and Analog RGB. With GS' specific software and games, the composite hookup was only really intended for use with a black and white, monochrome monitor. If you intend on only doing 8-bit stuff you can stick with a TV or composite monitor... but if you do anything with 16-bit GS specific games you'll be missing out if you don't have a monitor that does Analog RGB. You should really get a monitor that can do Analog RGB at NTSC frequencies. The first two Models of NEC multisync monitors can sync down to NTSC frequencies and will work with the IIgs... but I really only recomend that if you already have one handy. They underscan so their bigger tube size doesn't really amount to much when compaired to the 12" monitor that Apple made for the IIgs. Amiga and Nicer Commodore monitors like the 1084 are supposed to be able to work with the IIgs, and they overscan like the IIgs monitor.. It will need to be one with Analog RGB input... and you'll have to find an adaptor(I never did get my IIgs to work with my Commodore 1084) Personally I'd just go for the monitor that Apple made for the IIgs(there is only one color monitor that Apple made specifically for the IIgs). Of all the possible monitors, they can be had for the cheapest... and For asthetics purposes.. they look real nice ontop of the IIgs since they're designed to fit with it. If you have somoene who thinks they have what your looking for.. or you find some Apple monitors somewhere, it should have a 15 pin port on the back and it should read "AppleColor RGBMonitor" on back. IIgs Monitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockin' Kat Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Oh, also if you were looking to spend a lot... you could always look into getting an LCD television that has an Analog RGB input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 Yeah thats what I got. I just seems so tiny compared to my IIe Color Monitor... Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariman Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 hmm. I never knew that about the IIgs. It's not surprising though - I don't have much for it, so I never had much reason to really find out all of the specs of it. Well, I guess you learn something every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 Well there aren't many GS games, but they made some nice ones which makes it worth owning. I'm mostly using it to play IIe games since my IIe is dying... You can see all the games made for the IIgs here: http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/the_fairway/ I just wished shufflepuck cafe worked on ROM 03! DAMN IT! Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VidGameKing Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 I wish I had a Rom 03!!!!!!! I have a Rom 01 Woz special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 22, 2005 Author Share Posted January 22, 2005 Meh. The benefits aren't really all that great. Plus alot of games don't like it. Rom 01 is much better. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VidGameKing Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 trade you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I'm pretty sure that other RGB monitors can be adapted to the IIgs (like the Amiga ones, or NEC 3D's). -Bry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I was never a big Apple guy but isn't the IIe monitor just a composite monitor as opposed the IIgs being an RGB monitor? If that's correct, you should be able to hook up a Commodore monitor like the 1902, 1080 or 1084 with a simple adapter cable. For that matter you could use an Atari ST RGB monitor as well, with an adapter cable. Mitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 This is odd. All my IIe games have an inch or so blue boarder around them when I play them. What is causing this? It makes an already small display smaller! Reminds me of the ST monitor in some ways. Is this normal? Do all IIe games do this on a IIgs? If so I'll just go back to my IIe and screw this IIgs crap. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 I recall that old software looks sorta strange on the IIgs. Doesn't the IIgs produce artifacting on text when in legacy graphics modes, even though it's an RGB monitor? -Bry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 Doesn't the IIgs produce artifacting on text when in legacy graphics modes, even though it's an RGB monitor? yep Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Gotta love Apple. -Bry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 Ok I fixed my IIe monitor and discovered something. Most (if not all) IIe games have the same border around them that I'm seeing in the IIgs monitor. The reason I never noticed it before is that the border is black like the background of most games. On the IIgs however the background is a bright blue which makes it noticable. Is there a way to change the default background color on the IIgs? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
else Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 There was a SGVA video card released called the "Second Sight" from Sequential Systems that allowed you to hook up other monitors to the Apple IIgs. As I recall, it was released very near the end of the Apple IIgs' life, making it pretty rare. But I'm sure if you're patient enough they turn up on eBay from time to time. You can change the border color and many other things in the "control panel". You access it by holding down OpenApple-Control-Escape. -Derek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Ok I'll have to try that. One thing I noticed is that the picture seems to be positioned a bit too high. I can adjust the vertical height using the knob on the back, but there's still a gap on the bottom of the screen (even though the picture now reaches the top). I guess what I'm saying is that I need to adjust the actual vertical position of the picture and not just stretch it out. Is there a way to do that or is it normal for there to be an inch border on the bottom and not the top? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 BTW I noticed something while playing around with Airheart on the IIgs. It seems like the graphics don't look quite right. You can see this by looking at the kings face on the start up picture. On the IIe it looks normal, but on the IIgs it looks like some of it is missing or distorted (it's black in somespots where there's color on the IIe). Is this normal for the IIgs? On the other hand, the colors look much nicer... Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
else Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Sadly, there is no other way to adjust the monitor other than with the knobs that are on it. My monitor also is off a bit like you describe.... By the way, I second your vote on the ROM 01 being better. It is more compatible with software that "bypassed the firmware". Of course, the developers shouldn't have bypassed it in the first place, but some did and so we're stuck with it. The ROM 03 does have a few more firmware patches in hardware rather than in software so that makes it a bit faster when running programs, but the difference is really very very small. Perhaps the biggest advantage of the ROM 03 is that the clock battery isn't soldered to the motherboard like it is in the ROM 01 so it's easier to replace. -Derek P.S. My other post should have said SVGA instead of SGVA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
else Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 One more thing about the stock IIgs monitor. The refresh rate on it is 60 Hz -- EXACTLY the same "refresh rate" of the light bulbs that you may be working under. Thus back in the day there were a lot of complaints about the IIgs monitor causing excessive eye fatigue. The Second Sight video card operated at a higher refresh rate, so it was supposedly much easier on the eyes.... -Derek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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