Bad Trader Alert

[Phantom]

Maybe he met Britney Spears and theyre all coked out? Who knows. If hes alive and well, send him to jail.

 

 

That's impossible, she's been junked out with me for the last month in the opium den in her pool house. I'd know if this guy was coming to and from our love nest.......

Well, I knew all you needed to do was give her some Opiates, show her your joystick and she'd do just about anybody! LMAO!!!

 

BTW, The Rolling Emoticon really needs to be on the main board of the first 18. Get rid of one of the less used dumb ones like and put Rolling in there!!! :!:

Edited October 23, 2007 by Phantom

[wccw mark]

well,good o' zach has also closed out his ebay account as well.so far,he has:

closed out his ebay account

closed out his paypal account

has ripped off at least 2 people by taking there money,not shipping out what they bought,etc

pretty much has vanished off of the internet

i dont care how many strategy guides he has written,or how many buddies he has on the gaming forums,he is a piece of shit for ripping off people.

zach,if you are"in the shadows"reading this,you have til monday to have my money or games delivered to me.otherwise i am filing for mail fraud and a ic3 complaint as well.

Edited October 23, 2007 by wccw mark

[Phantom]

Dude, hes not my buddy. I dont know if he has any buddies but Im not one of them. I bought from him about 3 times without incident. Throw the Motherbleeper in jail. I came up with the mail fraud suggestion. So please dont link me and someone who is a douchebag as buddies. If he has buddies around here, they should tell Zach he's a douchebag too.

Zach Douchenozzle Meston.

Im East Coast and if I remember right, he's a left coast douche. Burn The prick at the stake. Can one of the programmers make a a game where we get to paste the pics of known douchebags onto a frankenstein type body and shoot flaming arrows at the monster? Sounds like a fun game to me. Could be an AA staple with emulation.

Edited October 25, 2007 by Phantom

[pangasinan]

Im adding the following Ebay sellers for sending me boxed Atari games in padded envelopes (or equivelent),all the games these sellers sent me were crushed,avoid buying from them at all cost.

 

games_bunker

nessnesn64

gr33nm0nk3y

0md2010

buy_with_confidence1

[n8littlefield]

well,good o' zach has also closed out his ebay account as well.so far,he has:

closed out his ebay account

closed out his paypal account

has ripped off at least 2 people by taking there money,not shipping out what they bought,etc

pretty much has vanished off of the internet

i dont care how many strategy guides he has written,or how many buddies he has on the gaming forums,he is a piece of shit for ripping off people.

zach,if you are"in the shadows"reading this,you have til monday to have my money or games delivered to me.otherwise i am filing for mail fraud and a ic3 complaint as well.

I know alot of people said he delivered to them and that it took awhile, but my experience was that I sent him a list of games I wanted, by the time he responded it was to tell me that half of them were already taken, and in the meantime the prices on the ones that he still had gone up mysteriously. It set off a huge red flag for me and I ended up getting the stuff I needed elsewhere.

[Phantom]

This Atari2600.com / atarizona dude is a sheister.

he bogarted my auction. I paid for it and the seller has my money and this thief has my games.

He can claim he did nothing wrong yada yada yada.

Fact is, hes a backstabbing creep. End of story.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...N:IT&ih=006

Edited October 25, 2007 by Phantom

[Albert]

This Atari2600.com / atarizona dude is a sheister.

he bogarted my auction. I paid for it and the seller has my money and this thief has my games.

He can claim he did nothing wrong yada yada yada.

Fact is, hes a backstabbing creep. End of story.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...N:IT&ih=006

I'm confused, a lot of people have dealt with Joe Cody from Atari2600.com, if that's who you are talking about. What exactly transpired here?

 

..Al

[Phantom]

This Atari2600.com / atarizona dude is a sheister.

he bogarted my auction. I paid for it and the seller has my money and this thief has my games.

He can claim he did nothing wrong yada yada yada.

Fact is, hes a backstabbing creep. End of story.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...N:IT&ih=006

I'm confused, a lot of people have dealt with Joe Cody from Atari2600.com, if that's who you are talking about. What exactly transpired here?

 

..Al

 

Below is the auction I won. I asked to pay the seller in 7 days because she had 3 days in the listing, 5 mins after the auction ended so she wouldnt be waiting around wondering where payment was, she said no and she had already sold my games to this atarizona by the time she replied. This is all within 20 mins after the auction ended. Long story short, I paid for my items within 3 days. I think its only been 4 or 5 days out now. The bitch Seller has my money and this J.O. Has my games. He knows there arent 2 lots of these games and when he found out I had been jobbed, He pretty much told me to F off, it's not his problem, he did nothing wrong so I should just go away, when he knows clear well that I won them fair and square and the seller dicked me over. That doesnt mean he had to be a dick as well.

The seller is being sued for failing to fufill her end of the contract and Mail fraud. This dude atari2600.com / atarizona , is a jerk, plain and simple and has games that should be in my collection, not in his store.

 

If you found a wallet on the street and the person contacted you with proof that that is their wallet. Isnt the right thing to do is to return it. Ok in this case he has money out. Im not asking for him to get jipped either. He should get completely refunded, then send them back to her so she can confirm they were the copies she sent (because switching out crushed boxes for good ones is still a possibility as well) and they should be sent to me. The bitch has my money. the contract was filled ontime on my part making them my property in my view and he's so petty, he could care less. Its obviously all about $ with him because I let him know Im a collector and among the community and would appreciate some consideration and he could care less. He justifies it by saying he did nothing wrong. That may even be so, but That doesnt make his actions right.

I hope this insight helps Al and the others whove asked thru PMs. Cheers

[homerwannabee]

This Atari2600.com / atarizona dude is a sheister.

he bogarted my auction. I paid for it and the seller has my money and this thief has my games.

He can claim he did nothing wrong yada yada yada.

Fact is, hes a backstabbing creep. End of story.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...N:IT&ih=006

I'm confused, a lot of people have dealt with Joe Cody from Atari2600.com, if that's who you are talking about. What exactly transpired here?

 

..Al

 

Below is the auction I won. I asked to pay the seller in 7 days because she had 3 days in the listing, 5 mins after the auction ended so she wouldnt be waiting around wondering where payment was, she said no and she had already sold my games to this atarizona by the time she replied. This is all within 20 mins after the auction ended. Long story short, I paid for my items within 3 days. I think its only been 4 or 5 days out now. The bitch Seller has my money and this J.O. Has my games. He knows there arent 2 lots of these games and when he found out I had been jobbed, He pretty much told me to F off, it's not his problem, he did nothing wrong so I should just go away, when he knows clear well that I won them fair and square and the seller dicked me over. That doesnt mean he had to be a dick as well.

The seller is being sued for failing to fufill her end of the contract and Mail fraud. This dude atari2600.com / atarizona , is a jerk, plain and simple and has games that should be in my collection, not in his store.

 

If you found a wallet on the street and the person contacted you with proof that that is their wallet. Isnt the right thing to do is to return it. Ok in this case he has money out. Im not asking for him to get jipped either. He should get completely refunded, then send them back to her so she can confirm they were the copies she sent (because switching out crushed boxes for good ones is still a possibility as well) and they should be sent to me. The bitch has my money. the contract was filled ontime on my part making them my property in my view and he's so petty, he could care less. Its obviously all about $ with him because I let him know Im a collector and among the community and would appreciate some consideration and he could care less. He justifies it by saying he did nothing wrong. That may even be so, but That doesnt make his actions right.

I hope this insight helps Al and the others whove asked thru PMs. Cheers

Ok, sounds like Joe did not do anything wrong. Most likely Joe when he entered his my Ebay saw the second chance offer. Is it his responsibility to be a psychic and know what the situation was with you? The answer is no. Joe has absolutely nothing to do with this except he saw that he had a second chance offer and so he took it. Also, why did you send the money to her when she said that she resold it to someone else. I don't really follow that. Maybe you should be mad at the seller. But to be mad at Joe makes no sense at all.

Edit:Wait a minute I did not see the part where he told you off. Perhaps he had already paid for the item with Paypal. He probably should of been more cordial to you. Sorry about that. That'll teach me to read the whole thread before I respond.

Edited October 25, 2007 by homerwannabee

[Phantom]

Ok, sounds like Joe did not do anything wrong. Most likely Joe when he entered his my Ebay saw the second chance offer. Is it his responsibility to be a psychic and know what the situation was with you? The answer is no. Joe has absolutely nothing to do with this except he saw that he had a second chance offer and so he took it. Also, why did you send the money to her when she said that she resold it to someone else. I don't really follow that. Maybe you should be mad at the seller. But to be mad at Joe makes no sense at all.

 

I am not turning this into one of those threads and I'm not answering anymore questions. The facts are above. Like I said, technically maybe he did nothing wrong. But If you got screwed out of a similar auction, HOMER, you would just say oh well? You wouldnt atleast hope that the other person did the right thing? The fact remains that because he did nothing technically wrong, doesnt make it right. I am mad at the seller. But I dont believe that if it was ALs lot, just for example, that you would not have this same response.

 

fact is I won the lot. I paid within the specified contract set forth and the Bitch seller has my money and he has my items. Thats the facts. I sure wouldnt want to lose something and have you find it.

 

Thats it on the subject. this will either go into its own Thread possibly but i wont continue it here because a discussion about it doesnt belong here. You can all draw whatever conclusions you want from it. Have your own opinions. It still doesnt change the facts. the end.

Edited October 25, 2007 by Phantom

[Shawn]

I will only comment on this to say that Phantom is telling the complete truth about this matter and I hope it doesn't end up as a popularity contest while the community takes part in desiding who is right or wrong in this matter as it is 100 percent clear that these games are the property of Phantom.

[homerwannabee]

I noticed something about the auction she says this

Please email me within 24 hours after the end of auction to let me know when you are sending payment. I expect payment within 3 days after auction ends, or I will contact eBay with a Non Paying Bidder dispute, will re list, and will leave appropriate feedback.

She does say that she expects the payment to be within 3 days or she will relist. If I saw an auction like that and knew I could not pay in 3 days I probably would not bid on it in the first place. I would not also email her to ask for a grace period. Personally as a seller I would not do business this way. It is extremely unprofesional on her part. But I have to admit she is at least being up front about it. Fact is that after you gave her the email she expected that you would take longer than 3 days. You even emailed her stating as such. Due to this expectation she went ahead before the 3 days were up and sent in a second chance offer. Ethically though she was in the wrong. She should of at least responded with"I said that I expect payment in 3 days and I am sticking to that. If the payment is not in 3 days I will not sell it to you. Sorry but those are the rules and I clearly stated them." Of course she did not do that she did not wait until the 3 days were up and gave a second chance offer before the time was up. So the issue becomes which is greater in the scales of justice. The fact that she sent a second chance offer to someone else within 3 days, or the fact that she has an email asking to pay it within 7 days instead of 3. Seems like an interesting case if you ever bring this to court.

[CPUWIZ]

What if she sent second chance offers to more people, and nobody got jack shit?

 

I am sorry Ant, but I stand behind Joe, if anything was done wrong, it was by the seller and not him.

[Phantom]

She was paid within 3 days per the agreement. Asking for 7 was more of a courtesy because Ebay allows up to 7 days even if the seller has 3 days or 4 days or 1 day unless its immediate payment only. She could have said 3 days and I would have said ok. But no, she sold it within 20 minutes of the auction ending. Whether Joe did nothing wrong before the fact isnt an issue. After the fact, is an entirely different story. If this was AL, and you didnt know it was ALs Ebay ID even, would you keep the merchandise and tell AL tough luck after any of you knew the facts. (the reason i use AL is because he is one of the most respected here Id imagine though that shouldnt even play into the decision process) or would you do whats right. if you want to make that decision based on popularity or how well you know another member, then i think that says something about morals in general.

 

All i know is, its not right. What happened here isnt up for debate. its facts that each member can take with them and decide for themselves how they view the situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Lastly, Asking for 7 days does not give her the right to go ahead and sell it out from under me just because i asked for 7 days.

And with that, hopefully, its put to rest.

[Shawn]

Even though Joe might not be in the wrong for buying this stuff, BUT he just bought stolen goods and that is not questionable in any way. Just cause he didn't know what was going on doesn't mean what was sold to him is not stolen and further on that stolen from Phantom. If this becomes a matter for the law to decide, and a little birdie told me it will be, I'm more than sure Phantom will end up with this stuff and possibly even money for damages from the seller. Joe is cought in the middle of this weather he likes it or not and if I was him I would just try to get it settled and done with as fast as possible so not to bring any type of negative attention to his www.atari2600.com store in regards to selling stolen games.

[ninermaniac]

WHAT A MESS. I to understand what has transpired. When exactly did you find out after you paid her that it had been sold to someone else. There is such a thing as a stop payment if you do it within 24 hrs. of payment. I had a similar problem once. They decided that they didn't get enough for what they sold. Tried to ask for more money. I stopped payment and they got nothing. They are gone of eBay now thankfully. I feel you man. Good luck!

[homerwannabee]

She was paid within 3 days per the agreement. Asking for 7 was more of a courtesy because Ebay allows up to 7 days even if the seller has 3 days or 4 days or 1 day unless its immediate payment only. She could have said 3 days and I would have said ok. But no, she sold it within 20 minutes of the auction ending. Whether Joe did nothing wrong before the fact isnt an issue. After the fact, is an entirely different story. If this was AL, and you didnt know it was ALs Ebay ID even, would you keep the merchandise and tell AL tough luck after any of you knew the facts. (the reason i use AL is because he is one of the most respected here Id imagine though that shouldnt even play into the decision process) or would you do whats right. if you want to make that decision based on popularity or how well you know another member, then i think that says something about morals in general.

 

All i know is, its not right. What happened here isnt up for debate. its facts that each member can take with them and decide for themselves how they view the situation. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Lastly, Asking for 7 days does not give her the right to go ahead and sell it out from under me just because i asked for 7 days.

And with that, hopefully, its put to rest.

Tell me Phantom. I have a question for you. If the shoe was on the other foot. Say you received a second chance offer and you go"Cool I guess it is my lucky day." And you take the second chance offer and then pay right away with Paypal. Now a few hours later the highest bidder comes to you telling you that the lady screwed him out of his games and they are rightfully his. Tell me, would you give it back to the highest bidder Unfortunately this is an extremely strange situation and the line is not as black and white as would seem.

[Shawn]

Tell me Phantom. I have a question for you. If the shoe was on the other foot. Say you received a second chance offer and you go"Cool I guess it is my lucky day." And you take the second chance offer and then pay right away with Paypal. Now a few hours later the highest bidder comes to you telling you that the lady screwed him out of his games and they are rightfully his. Tell me, would you give it back to the highest bidder Unfortunately this is an extremely strange situation and the line is not as black and white as would seem.

 

 

An easier way to look at it would be that yes, it was a hey my lucky day for Joe, that was untill Ant emailed him to let him know he just bought a lot of stolen games. It's just like if you bought something on ebay and then came to find out it was actually stolen. Would you not feel obligated to get the stuff back to it's rightful owner as long as you got your money back,ect? Seems only logical to me. Ya it sucks for Joe, BUT he did buy stolen games. All of this is on the foot of the seller I must add and it's just a shame that 2 folks from our little atari world are on either side of this deal. One who purchased games, and another who purchased stolen games. They just happen to be the same games. Phantom bought the games, Joe bought the games stolen from Phantom. That's how the law is gonna see it.

[Phantom]

Tell me Phantom. I have a question for you. If the shoe was on the other foot. Say you received a second chance offer and you go"Cool I guess it is my lucky day." And you take the second chance offer and then pay right away with Paypal. Now a few hours later the highest bidder comes to you telling you that the lady screwed him out of his games and they are rightfully his. Tell me, would you give it back to the highest bidder Unfortunately this is an extremely strange situation and the line is not as black and white as would seem.

 

Why Homer, you pretend to know my morals? What kind of question is that? The INSTANT it was PROVEN TO ME that it was a deal that was not really kosher nor legal on the sellers part, yes, i would have given the games to the rightful owner the 2nd all of my money was refunded. Dont pretend to know me and who are you to judge? I can tell by your answer what you would do and you would have to live with that, the same way Joe now has to. He's shiesty IMO, and I havent seen anything to change that view. This isnt up for debate no matter how friendly you are with 2600.com

You can have your opinion, just like everyone else can form their own. Its not about how much you like or think you know someone, its about whats right.

 

Ask anyone of the people on this list here,

Clean list of recommended traders :

I EDITED THIS BECAUSE I DONT WANT MY GOOD TRADERS TO BE MISCONSTRUED FOR BEING IN THIS THREAD, TO MAKE MY POINT, Please SEE MY GOOD TRADERS LIST FOR THE MANY MANY PEOPLE THAt HAVE HAD GOOD DEALINGS WITH ME. Thanks

 

and ask them their honest opinion in dealing with me and I bet your sweet ass you cant find a bad word about any deal I've made with them regardless if theyve disagreed with me about any unrelated topic in the past.

 

You may have some alleginace to JC, but that isnt what this is about. And next time, dont try to insinuate your own possible misgivings and project your own possible shortcomings onto me even in hypothectical form. You dont know me well enough to even guess, and that's the last fact I'll leave you with.

Edited October 26, 2007 by Phantom

[homerwannabee]

I think that it is ironic that you think I am pretending to know your morals and then you pretend to know my morals. Usually people who are at odds with another person fail to look at the other persons perspective. This has nothing to do with whether I would do that or not. If I was in joes shoes I would probably have the games mailed to me first. Fact is I am not taking a negative for your problems. Once that happened I would ship the games to you, but you would have to pay for my shipping and your shipping. Again I do not feel like I should have to pay for your problems. And in fact if you want to look at seller credentials you will see that I have a 100% rating on Ebay and all all of my star ratings are a perfect 5.0 out of 5.0 from 30 different people. Look I am not the person who is saying either person is right or wrong. I am just saying that it is not as clear cut as you think it is. Tell me if it is so clear cut why is CPUWIZ backing Joe in this instance.

Edited October 26, 2007 by homerwannabee

[Phantom]

I think that it is ironic that you think I am pretending to know your morals and then you pretend to know my morals. Usually people who are at odds with another person fail to look at the other persons perspective. This has nothing to do with whether I would do that or not. If I was in joes shoes I would probably have the games mailed to me first. Fact is I am not taking a negative for your problems. Once that happened I would ship the games to you, but you would have to pay for my shipping and your shipping. Again I do not feel like I should have to pay for your problems. And in fact if you want to look at seller credentials you will see that I have a 100% rating on Ebay and all all of my star ratings are a perfect 5.0 out of 5.0 from 30 different people. Look I am not the person who is saying either person is right or wrong. I am just saying that it is not as clear cut as you think it is. Tell me if it is so clear cut why is CPUWIZ backing Joe in this instance.

 

I didnt pretend to know your morals. you put them out there when you insinuated you knew my own IMO. Thats how you may have handled it IMO. Now you state different Thats fine, just dont go accusing people of made up stuff and Hypothecticals. You all but said i would dick him over if the shoe was on the other foot in your conjecture, but Im over that. Im not expecting joe to get a negative for it. Im sure it could be handled better by all involved but if you think Im not getting the shaft here, youre mistaken. Also, i find it amusing that I score a nice lot like this, half of which would go to my collection and half of which are doubles. Joes probably had everyone of these games MULTIPLE times and resold them multiple times. Im not against anyone, including Joe, from making a profit, but this maybe the only chance i have to get some of these CIB titles without breaking the bank, fair and square mind you, and now they will be sold as a profit and Shawn Sr had it right. they are for all intents and purposes stolen goods. I paid, the bitch still has my money and I dont want it back. I want to take her bitch ass to court for even making me waste my time with Emails to Ebay, Emails to Joe, calls to my lawyer, emails to the bitch seller and now explaining it all here. Im wiped. its Ironic that a reseller (And I stick up for resellers all the time but theres a large contingent that'd rather see them gone), however nice Joe maybe to all of you, he can get sympathy at all for trying to make a profit on games that are clearly my property and clearly he has sold in the past many times and probably has doubles and triples of right now! So feel bad for him all you want. Whats right is right and nothing that has transpired has been right.

 

And no offense to CPU bcause he knows I like and respect him greatly and infact, i just got done discussing this with him thru a PM,

"why is CPUWIZ backing Joe in this instance"-Homer....

but just because CPU shares an opinion, doesnt make it more valid or more correct than anyone elses. By your logic, anyone that disagrees with CPU must be ilinformed or dumb or something??? when infact, not even CPU has all the info and just now got most of it. Im sure he will get Joes side and I said, Joe probably didnt do anything intentional, the fact remains that he, after the fact, pretty much could care less who the games should belong to. thats why a court will wind up deciding it. And the Bitch seller is the one that started about the lawyer. her son is in the biggest Lawfirm she said and stated the Firms name. I wrote back and I told her, "good, what the number because it was so big, its wasnt in the 411 database." which is true unles she spelled it wrong or was full of it.

 

Anyhow ciao. im beat. See this alone wasted another half hour for me. Goodnight.

Edited October 26, 2007 by Phantom

[wccw mark]

ZACH MESTON(ZMWEASEL) UPDATE:well,i was given a new phone number today that i was told that i would be able to reach zach meston at,the people who answer the phone keep telling me and the person whom i got the number from that zach is not home.its more bullshit from zach meston.i have filed mail fraud and ic3 complain online thru the fbi.now there is all together 3 people he has ripped off.one of the people has gotten most of there money back thru there credit card company,me and the other person are out of luck as we didnt use a credit card payment.i was told by a member of digital press that zack was ripped off for a lot of money from paypal so he figures if it happened to him,he can do it to others,especially lesser known people in the "video game community".i want my money zach,and im gonna get it too.aloha zack,i believe we will be in touch very soon brah.

Edited October 30, 2007 by wccw mark

[Mark III]

I want to throw my hat in on this one too. Zach might have been a reputable seller in the past but he is definately a scammer now. I'm having the same problem as wccw mark, no response, no package, nothing. Chances are he'll surface again someday so watch out for this guy.

[gambler172]

Hi Guys

I add "Tobias Eckholz" from germany to the bad trader list.

He is also known as "crazyman22".

His email adress is "crazyman22@arcor.de"

If you want to trade or buy something from this guy;be very careful.You will never get something from him.

He is unthrustable at all and a big A...........

I bought a Gizmondo from him and never got it.Even Paypal could not bring back my money,because he sent a false tracking number to them.Unfortunately Paypal did not check this number and finished the conflict.

I called the police and hope they will find this guy.

greetings Walter

[pangasinan]

Hi Guys

I add "Tobias Eckholz" from germany to the bad trader list.

He is also known as "crazyman22".

His email adress is "crazyman22@arcor.de"

If you want to trade or buy something from this guy;be very careful.You will never get something from him.

He is unthrustable at all and a big A...........

I bought a Gizmondo from him and never got it.Even Paypal could not bring back my money,because he sent a false tracking number to them.Unfortunately Paypal did not check this number and finished the conflict.

I called the police and hope they will find this guy.

greetings Walter

Just done a search ,there is no crazyman22 from Germany,only Canada