calfranklin Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 What is the LOGO Programming cartridge? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Its a language which evolved, early on it was designed to give commands to a turtle, a robot with a pen which could draw lines and rotate through angles, and move. In more recent times, it is used as an introductory language and the turtle is represented on-screen rather than being a machine. With fairly simple programming you can get spirograph like designs. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-1084810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosteve Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 (edited) I had a LOGO cart back in those days, not sure if I still do. Anyway, although the programming to make those turtles draw lines or arcs is easy (especially if you have advanced math skills) there's really not much else to do with it. note: the turtles move really slow Edited June 16, 2006 by geosteve Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-1085071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 Its a language which evolved, early on it was designed to give commands to a turtle, a robot with a pen which could draw lines and rotate through angles, and move. In more recent times, it is used as an introductory language and the turtle is represented on-screen rather than being a machine. With fairly simple programming you can get spirograph like designs. See Wikipedia Entry on Logo Programming Language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_programming_language Logo was designed for Kids to easy learn Programming. However, it is a misconception that Logo is a "toy" language. Logo inhereits some powerful concepts from the Lisp Programming Language, and is much more powerful than for example Basic. It supports Lists as native datatypes, and Logo Programs are stored in Lists can be manipulated from the Program itself. For serious learning Logo, I recommend the Books of Brian Harvey "Computer Science Logo Style", http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/ We have currently a Logo Course in the ABBUC Magazine (in german) The only drawback of Atari Logo is that it can only use 48K, which is not much for Logo (Interpreter with Grabage Collection). There are negotiations (from ABBUC) underway to get Atari Logo free, maybe Open Source it or make it available again including documentation, and improve it to use also extended memory. I will post more on this when new info is available. Best regards Carsten 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-1085311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 I had a LOGO cart back in those days, not sure if I still do. Anyway, although the programming to make those turtles draw lines or arcs is easy (especially if you have advanced math skills) there's really not much else to do with it. note: the turtles move really slow Logo is often (wrongly) reduced to turtle graphics. There is much more in Logo than turtle graphics. Unfortunatly, because Logo was used in undergraduate schools to teach programming, using turtle graphics, most books only cover turtle graphics, and not the "functional programming" and "lisp style powerfull datatypes" programming that is possible in Logo. I see, I need to translate some parts of our Logo Course to english and post it, to open your eyes. In fact, Logo is one of the most powerful Programming Languages we have on the Atari. It's true, as an interpreter it's not for high-speed arcade style games, but unchallenged when working with complex data. Best regards Carsten 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-1085314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfranklin Posted June 17, 2006 Author Share Posted June 17, 2006 Its a language which evolved, early on it was designed to give commands to a turtle, a robot with a pen which could draw lines and rotate through angles, and move. In more recent times, it is used as an introductory language and the turtle is represented on-screen rather than being a machine. With fairly simple programming you can get spirograph like designs. See Wikipedia Entry on Logo Programming Language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_programming_language Logo was designed for Kids to easy learn Programming. However, it is a misconception that Logo is a "toy" language. Logo inhereits some powerful concepts from the Lisp Programming Language, and is much more powerful than for example Basic. It supports Lists as native datatypes, and Logo Programs are stored in Lists can be manipulated from the Program itself. For serious learning Logo, I recommend the Books of Brian Harvey "Computer Science Logo Style", http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/ We have currently a Logo Course in the ABBUC Magazine (in german) The only drawback of Atari Logo is that it can only use 48K, which is not much for Logo (Interpreter with Grabage Collection). There are negotiations (from ABBUC) underway to get Atari Logo free, maybe Open Source it or make it available again including documentation, and improve it to use also extended memory. I will post more on this when new info is available. Best regards Carsten Thanks to all for info on LOGO. Cal Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-1085341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosteve Posted June 17, 2006 Share Posted June 17, 2006 I do still have the cartridge, since I don't use it does anyone want to add it to thier collection?? dumping?? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-1085382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
576XE Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 One aspect of LOGO for example is logical absence of limit on maximum number length. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3107730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklantha Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Logo has an excellent implementation on the Atari 8-bit. In fact, I am using it to teach my son programming. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3108453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 How about one of the Logo proponents here posting a short programming example? Is it useful for math oriented problems? Good I/O capabilities? Fast processing? Or? -Larry Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3108920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I've always wanted to learn LOGO myself, but haven't ever picked up the cart. That being said, all the original Atari documentation has been scanned and is online at AtariMania ... Atari_LOGO_Introduction_to_Programming_Through_Turtle_Graphics.pdf Atari_LOGO_Quick_Reference_Guide.pdf Atari_LOGO_Reference_Manual.pdf Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3108964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklantha Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 @Larry: I'm no Logo expert but I picked it to teach my son programming because user developed functions and procedures can be called directly from the command prompt allowing the developer to interactively build and develop their programs. You can separate concerns very easily thereby allowing a more "agile" approach to problem solving. Also, no line numbers and it has a full screen editor. Additionally, it has very good support for player missile graphics (turtle graphics can be redefined) including collision detection between players and background graphics. Performance is okay. No where near assembly, of course, but respectable considering it is a LISP variant running with a full garbage collector in 48k of RAM on a 1.7 MHz machine . I can post a few short code examples if you are still interested. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3109587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I've always wanted to learn LOGO myself, but haven't ever picked up the cart. That being said, all the original Atari documentation has been scanned and is online at AtariMania ... Atari_LOGO_Introduction_to_Programming_Through_Turtle_Graphics.pdf Atari_LOGO_Quick_Reference_Guide.pdf Atari_LOGO_Reference_Manual.pdf Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3109619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunsen Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 You can easily find a ROM image in the internet (AtariAge has it on it's hidden 8bit rarity guide). Mount it in the Emulator, flash it in a cart or burn it on an Eprom! It's so easy ... and funny. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3109621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The Rom is right here. http://www.atarimania.com/utility-atari-400-800-xl-xe-atari-logo_15782.html Allan Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3109692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I know where the ROM is; I want the actual cart to use on my actual hardware. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3109981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I know where the ROM is; I want the actual cart to use on my actual hardware. sent you a PM Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3109996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pusakat Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Atari Logo was one of the few non-game cartridges I had back in 1980's. And it was fun directing 4 turtles (Player graphics) around and writing games using them. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3204996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 One of the reasons LOGO is very powerful, is that it is indeed, a LISP interpreter, just without the parens around the s-expressions. -Thom Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3205979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
576XE Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yes. It's very special LISP. But being so exclusive, Atari LOGO can decide ANOTHER problems! FE Graphically decide The Problem of 3 Jars. Atari helps us in it's manner. When the collision occured (colors changing) then we have a flag for changing direction. simply the best. Playing with LISP I even couldn't run LOGO's emulator. PS Google has changed. I even couldn't find trilinear plot of billiard method of transfusion... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3280273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 There are negotiations (from ABBUC) underway to get Atari Logo free, maybe Open Source it or make it available again including documentation, and improve it to use also extended memory. I will post more on this when new info is available. Best regards Carsten Any updates on this, Carsten? I've been very interested in using Atari LOGO as an introductory programming tool, and I'd love to know if an improved version with expanded memory support has been created. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3285449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Any updates on this, Carsten? I've been very interested in using Atari LOGO as an introductory programming tool, and I'd love to know if an improved version with expanded memory support has been created. Well, no. I was in contact with Mr. Seymour Papert (or his office) about Atari Logo back in Summer 2006. Then Mr. Papert had a terrible accident in December 2006 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Papert#Accident_in_Hanoi) and was unavailable, and I did not follow up. Not sure if I would like to bother him again with the question. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3285485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Well, no. I was in contact with Mr. Seymour Papert (or his office) about Atari Logo back in Summer 2006. Then Mr. Papert had a terrible accident in December 2006 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Papert#Accident_in_Hanoi) and was unavailable, and I did not follow up. Not sure if I would like to bother him again with the question. Thanks! I had heard of Papert's accident, and I'm glad he seems to be recovering. I wonder how much his office would be able to help with Atari LOGO; if I remember correctly, the Atari version was developed by LCSI, so they'd probably be the ones to contact if you're looking for the original Atari sources. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3285503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cas Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Thanks! I had heard of Papert's accident, and I'm glad he seems to be recovering. I wonder how much his office would be able to help with Atari LOGO; if I remember correctly, the Atari version was developed by LCSI, so they'd probably be the ones to contact if you're looking for the original Atari sources. It has been almost 10 years since I've worked on this, as far as I remember I've contacted LCSI first and they connected me with Mr. Papert, as they didn't had any traces of Atari Logo (at the time). It might be worth a try to start the process again with contacting LCSI, or Cynthia Solomon ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Solomon). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3285742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 if anyone wants the original cart, tape and training course complete manual in clip folder Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/89310-logo-programming-cartridge/#findComment-3285744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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