MegaData Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Man convicted of Chipping an xBox Emulation has always been illegal for backup purposes. As a developer tool, it is rarely used. You have to prove it is necessary to backup backup copies. This is hard to prove for consoles instead of Personal Computers. Being able to purchase a memory card for modern console systems, you're going to have a rough day in court proving you're allowed a backup. it's still not legal for older games and other related legal material can be found at Nintendo's Corporate Legal FAQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 ...I'm sure everyone with a chipped xbox is shaking in thier boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaData Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 It's anyone who makes copies of console games for backup really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 My statement still applies. I really don't think anyone is worried. Unless they are out there selling copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Well, fortunately, I am a complete FAILURE at chipping or softmodding consoles, and I'm actually too much of an idiot to get emulation running on a PC. I can't find any of those ROOM sites that everyone keeps talking about... So I've got nothing to worry about. Yo-ho-ho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) it's still not legal for older games and other related legal material can be found at Nintendo's Corporate Legal FAQ. Current legal jurisprudence on copyright law does not favor consumers and is decidedly pro-corporation. Furthermore, just because something is illegal or legal, does not make it RIGHT or WRONG, something that often gets confused in this issue. When prohibition existed, it was illegal to drink spirits... it wasn't *wrong*. An argument that those who pirate like to use is that corporations bring it on themselves by bad business practices and gouging consumers. The anti-piracy zealots often respond, you're not forced to buy these goods, and piracy is *theft*, and theft is *immoral*. News flash, a commonly held belief is that price fixing, unfair business practices, and gouging are ALSO immoral. Two wrongs may not make a right. I think the burden should be on the multi-million dollar corporation to change *first*, not the individual consumer. I am neither pro nor con on this argument, BTW. I simply think that we need rational copyright reform in the United States, and that a company needs to be making more than a *token* effort to commercially market a copyright property (ala, Steamboat Willey) to justify protecting it. The most compelling argument I've heard is that films are currently rotting in vaults that fans of film would love to restore. They're being lost, irrevocably, because of corporate greed. That *isn't* even remotely what copyright law was designed to address or allow. What was intended as a way to insure creation of intellectual property as a benefit for the public good has become a protection for corporate profits. Another important distinction that USED to be made but that has been lost under the new global copyright laws... There is a huge difference between someone doing this for profit, in a way that clearly causes economic harm to the company that owns the copyright property, and an individual doing it for personal use, in a way that arguably causes NO harm under the premis that there is no lost sale because it wouldn't have ever been bought in the first place. Some of you may not want to acknowledge that difference, but it is there, and it is huge, and rational copyright law used to make a distinction prior to the orwellian and draconian laws that we see in place today. Now every DVD movie contains a chilling warning that any infringement, including those for personal use that cause no economic harm to the holder, may result in years in prison and hundred thousands of dollars in fines. Yeah... that seems appropriate... First hint that a law is wrong... it seems to heavy handed and disproportionate to the crime commited. "You've spit on the sidewalk, we're going to have to gouge your eyeball out with a hot poker, now..." Edited October 20, 2006 by Paranoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 (edited) Megadata... Just because the CF thread was closed in the Jaguar forums doesn't mean you can take your trolling over here. Since your not too busy, why don't you go post that link over to the guys at xbox-scene. I'm sure they will love it! Edited October 21, 2006 by Shannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Since your not too busy, why don't you go post that link over to the guys at xbox-scene. I'm sure they will love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaData Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I'll just use the 1-800 number or the eMail to report emulators. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHufnagel Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I'll just use the 1-800 number or the eMail to report emulators. Thanks. After reading that mess of a thread in the Jag forums, I was wondering if you were going to show up here. I like how you mentioned that Nintendo feels that emulation (which is entirely legal) and roms are illegal. Weren't they the same people that said game rentals and sharking devices were also illegal? That went over well for them didn't it? Also the example you used was in the UK, different countries allow different things. Tell me, why do so many Jag collectors feel so strongly against emulation? Is it because you overpay for your games and are jealous of others who don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Helmet Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I'll just use the 1-800 number or the eMail to report emulators. Thanks. Man, I thought I was scared before...now I'm actually shaking in my Converse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) Heh... I wasn't going to point out how ironic it is that Mr. Metal Mullethead is a poseur corporate whore... But, come on... what would Dave Mustaine do? Spit in Tipper Gore's face, or call her hotline to report that Tower is selling CDs without parental advisory labels... Change your avatar to something more appropriate, like J. Edgar Hoover dressed in drag while hunting down the communist menace. A Playtester Wannabe isn't the only kind of wannabe you are, partner. Edited October 21, 2006 by Paranoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Fortunately, I do not emulate, and I couldn't figure out how to mod my xBox, as I've repeatedly claimed in this thread, so reporting me is only going to make you look like a fool, as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) I'll just use the 1-800 number or the eMail to report emulators. Thanks. Maybe I should point that out to the people over at JS II. I don't think that they'd be too thrilled that their forum moderator is going around reporting people. Especially since the 7800 forum is full of talk about illegal things like the cuttle cart, beef drop, etc. I mean shouldn't you be locking those threads since you believe in those things so strongly? You do know that albert is watching you, don't you? Edited October 21, 2006 by Shannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott21 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Emulation has always been illegal for backup purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_ Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 You do know that albert is watching you, don't you? And we´re all watching you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHufnagel Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Oh great, more Jag anti-pirates. Well this thread is going straight to hell now. Can't we isolate them like they do TB patients? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_ Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Oh great, more Jag anti-pirates. Well this thread is going straight to hell now. Can't we isolate them like they do TB patients? Anti-pirates? I´ll take that as a compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) Oh wow, another troll? Got nothing better to do huh? Believe me you'll find much more to do over at xbox-scene forums there are all kinds of people over there breaking the law. I'm sure they will welcome you two with open arms. Of course we could adopt you two as our official mascot troll. And we´re all watching you. Doesn't really matter to me, it's not my forums. Although you may want to stay away from those "illegal" reproduction carts. But trolls do tend to be disruptive/destructive and not constrive, hence Al's involvement. You guys very behavior right now is proof positive what everyone has been saying all along about the Jag community, so really your not doing yourselfs any favors. But anyways I think mr mega needs to concern himself with keeping his own house (forums) in order before coming over here. Yes. Behave. We´re better than this.l Really I woulda never guessed with your veiled threats (notice the time that statement was made compared to the post here). Of course after reading about a thread over there on the flashback ending up in an argument about piracy I can see that the personal problem goes pretty deep with some people. Edited October 21, 2006 by Shannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 (edited) Guys we know piracy is bad. We also know that emulation (in and of itself) is legal. We also know that in real life ™ things are rarely black and white. Can we keep the flaming, trolling, suicidal, petty, egomaniacal, sycophantic, exclusionary, elitist, self immolating, complete disaster of the Jag 'community' - inside the Jag 'community' ? People outside of that 'community' have common sense and do not suffer from a wild lack of perspective, and really don't need to read that sort of crap. Edited October 21, 2006 by remowilliams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 You do know that albert is watching you, don't you? And we´re all watching you. But who's watching the watchers? Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_ Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Oh wow, another troll? Hardly. My initial post was meant to be as ludicrous as the one you fired off against Megadata just before. In order to get some perspective on things, if you will. I´m as tired of the bickering back and forth between the boards as most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Well then you just jumped right into the middle of a conversation then, because Megadata was not even remotely interested in this thread until his little CF thread over in the Jag forum got locked. I'm still distraught over all those poor little kittens that are dying each day. Anybody got any numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCHufnagel Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Oh wow, another troll? Hardly. My initial post was meant to be as ludicrous as the one you fired off against Megadata just before. In order to get some perspective on things, if you will. I´m as tired of the bickering back and forth between the boards as most people. Well if you're tired of it, why did you come in here then? I was reading that CF thread, but I resisted temptation. I still had to take a shower afterwords though. And why do you think Shannon's post was ludicrus. You don't think administrator/moderators are looking at trolls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 Palmer... I've got to agree, your veiled threats and accusatory tone discredit anything you might argue in your defense, after the fact. People who want to run around, looking for conflict, so that they can feel self-empowered by making threats... especially threats about "ratting people out"... just don't impress me at all. In a community where "get a life" is a common theme, you guys are the absolute bottom feeders of the socially maladjusted uber-nerds. You're the same kind of personallities that disrupt the workplace constantly complaining about the work ethic of OTHER employees, while failing to notice how much producivity you're wasting sticking your nose up OTHER PEOPLE'S ASSES when you should be doing *your* job. You don't approve of piracy... good. Go do your part. Don't pirate. But don't be a rat. In prison, rats are right there with pedophiles as the most reviled of inmates. That speaks volumes about the quality of your character, if you're making these kind of threats. Even murders and rapists consider rats beneath contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like us on Facebook
Follow us on Twitter
AtariAge on Instagram
Watch us on YouTube
Chat on Discord
Recommended Posts