ps 3 overheats at tgs

[8th lutz]

Looks like Namco's Ridger Racer 7 is too taxing on the PlayStation 3. We caught this poor floor rep tending to the overheated, bugged out PS3 that shit the bed during the first day of TGS. Yeah, we know this sort of thing happens all the time when you've got unfinished code running on unproven hardware, but we also know that even though you've got a Bravia television and a high end PlayStation 3, your cooling solution is wicked ghetto.

 

Plus, 1080p and 60 frames per second don't mean squat when you're rendering a blank screen.

 

We've seen a couple of kiosks and machines go down, but can somewhat safely assume this is just software related and not an issue with the PlayStation 3 machines themselves.

 

We'll have more gratuitous fatal system errors soon, coupled with frustrated game producers and booth reps.

 

 

Quoted from Kotaku

 

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ridge-racer-7...-tgs-202609.php

 

It better be the software! Anyway if I am were considering preordering I'll be concerned due to the fact this isn't supposed to happen with it being closer to the ps3 being launched then e3 was.

[CPUWIZ]

It's the same with every system at every trade-show, I see it first hand, year after year.

[Gregory DG]

Plus, 1080p and 60 frames per second don't mean squat when you're rendering a blank screen.

 

I'm sure it'll get fixed soon. And once people run out and trade in their right-arm for a PS3, they can then return it a week later, just like with every other (especially Sony) launch.

[Bill Brasky]

Pelican is designing the $49.95 PS3 Cooling Fan add-on as we speak.

[8th lutz]

It's the same with every system at every trade-show, I see it first hand, year after year.

Good to know, it is nothing out of the ordinary for game systems at trade shows. I never had chance to go to a trade show, so I didn't know that was norm. The closest thing to a trade show I went to was classic gaming event called Midewest Classic 2002 with me seeing first hand seeing the 7800 not able to go back to the title screen after I lost my lives. The thing that gets me now is why isn't this being reported on other game systems on web sites? It appears websites are taking advantage of sony's rep. of there being problems sony game consoles or handhelds. I think this site making it a big deal due to the fact it was less then 2 months away from being launched in Japan, and in North America.

 

I am a bit concerned though with sony's history. I do understand how this happens to system at trade show due to the software or how long the system has been on.

Edited September 23, 2006 by 8th lutz

[JB]

No real surprise with prototypes being run 24/7 blowing up in people's faces.

Kotaku even admitted it at the end of the entry.

 

I thought it was funnier that one of those things crashed and rebooted. On reboot, the system got in an argument with the "Full HD 1080p" sticker as the TV declared itself to be in 720p mode.

 

Again, no real surprise, the code is all prototypes. Mainly shows that the masses can't tell the diffrence, and will believe what they're told.

[Jess Ragan]

As much as I'd like to use this as an opportunity to bash Sony, I can't. As game consoles get faster, they run hotter, making them more susceptible to crashing and heat damage. I've got an extra fan attached to my Xbox 360, and sometimes that's STILL not enough to keep it as cool as I'd like.

 

There aren't many options available for players who want cooler game systems. Either they have to settle for slower consoles (the Wii) or wait for more advanced technology. Laser chips are in the planning stages; they'll use light technology which will not only make computers run cooler, but much faster as well.

 

Until they're made available, you'll either have to take the heat or get out of the kitchen!

 

JR

[shadow460]

I've actually found that less can be more when it comes to power and cooling.

Case in point--my white computer that I was using a couple hours ago has four exhaust fans, a 120mm intake fan, four fans on the video card, a hard drive cooler, of course the CPU cooler...need I go on?

 

This machine is roughly half as powerful and it has three 80mm case fnas and the stock cooling on everything else (all of 3 little fans there).

 

My 7800 seems to heat up more than my PS2 does, and my NES runs hotter than that!

[CPUWIZ]

As game consoles get faster, they run hotter, making them more susceptible to crashing and heat damage. I've got an extra fan attached to my Xbox 360, and sometimes that's STILL not enough to keep it as cool as I'd like.

 

There aren't many options available for players who want cooler game systems. Either they have to settle for slower consoles (the Wii) or wait for more advanced technology. Laser chips are in the planning stages; they'll use light technology which will not only make computers run cooler, but much faster as well.

 

Until they're made available, you'll either have to take the heat or get out of the kitchen!

 

JR

 

Someone has been paying attention.

[JB]

As much as I'd like to use this as an opportunity to bash Sony, I can't. As game consoles get faster, they run hotter, making them more susceptible to crashing and heat damage. I've got an extra fan attached to my Xbox 360, and sometimes that's STILL not enough to keep it as cool as I'd like.

From what I understand, the 360's cooling solution is also somewhat of a brute-force approach, and not exactly the most efficient setup ever.

 

If you're gonna brute-force it, do it right. You could make the case all aluminum and connect it to the CPU and GPU with heat pipes to use the entire box as a giant heatsink.

 

 

 

 

Reminds me of the Dreamcast. The initial japanese run had heatpipes on the GPU and CPU, and a radiator at the exhaust vent. One fan in the entire system.

 

They got rid of that design later, so there was a stubby heatsink and fan on the CPU and GPU and the exhaust fan too. Of course, the case was designed assuming heat pipes, so there wasn't a lot of room for decent heatsinks, and the airflow pattern sucked too.

 

End result: Noisy system that isn't even as cool as the original run.

 

Kinda curious why, honestly. Cost on the heatpipe cooler, maybe?

 

There aren't many options available for players who want cooler game systems. Either they have to settle for slower consoles (the Wii) or wait for more advanced technology.

Or do a case mod to improve the existing situation.

.

 

Laser chips are in the planning stages; they'll use light technology which will not only make computers run cooler, but much faster as well.

That's only for outside communication. Basically, the MOTHERBOARD will be fiberoptic, but the actual chip will still be silicon.

 

As long as we're talking future-tech, though...

Grow pure diamonds and etch microprocessors on slices of them. Won't do a lot for heat generation, but diamond holds up a lot better than silicon. You could make a modern computer with no cooling whatsoever if it was diamond chips.

[Jess Ragan]

As game consoles get faster, they run hotter, making them more susceptible to crashing and heat damage. I've got an extra fan attached to my Xbox 360, and sometimes that's STILL not enough to keep it as cool as I'd like.

 

There aren't many options available for players who want cooler game systems. Either they have to settle for slower consoles (the Wii) or wait for more advanced technology. Laser chips are in the planning stages; they'll use light technology which will not only make computers run cooler, but much faster as well.

 

Until they're made available, you'll either have to take the heat or get out of the kitchen!

 

JR

 

Someone has been paying attention.

 

What can I say? Joystiq does a body good! The occasional trip to Engadget doesn't hurt, either.

 

So what happened to DNA storage as an alternative to hard drives? There was talk some years back about using canisters of organic material to save computer data, but nothing ever came of it. Is DNA storage the 21st century equivalent of the steam-powered engine... an innovative but ultimately impractical technology?

 

JR

[jbanes]

There aren't many options available for players who want cooler game systems. Either they have to settle for slower consoles (the Wii) or wait for more advanced technology.

Or do a case mod to improve the existing situation.

Unless you know what you're doing, a casemod can make things worse. Most mods assume a simplistic airflow model that has little to do with the actual vortexes and pressure differences that would occur in a running system. As a result, the airflow can stagnate, leading to pockets of heat buildup.

 

Laser chips are in the planning stages; they'll use light technology which will not only make computers run cooler, but much faster as well.

That's only for outside communication. Basically, the MOTHERBOARD will be fiberoptic, but the actual chip will still be silicon.

Actually, he's right. Integrated Optical Circuits is an up-and-coming technology that etches small optical channels through a semiconductor to create components that behave similar to our electric components today, but using photons as the information carrier rather than a voltage. This is possible because computational theory holds that computers have zip to do with our current silicon design, and can actually be expressed through a variety of methods. Personally, I always wanted to build a water computer as a teaching tool on how microprocessors work.

 

In theory, these optical circuits are smaller, lighter, and less power-hungry than their larger electronic cousins. Of course, the same is true about every generation of die shrinkage, so it shouldn't be too surprising.

 

As long as we're talking future-tech, though...

Grow pure diamonds and etch microprocessors on slices of them. Won't do a lot for heat generation, but diamond holds up a lot better than silicon. You could make a modern computer with no cooling whatsoever if it was diamond chips.

Mmmm. First we have to disband DeBeers so they don't stand in the way of artificial diamond progress. Good luck on that one.

 

Other fun future tech includes: clockless, asynchronous processors (already got a few in production), pulse-tube coolers (for that chip that dissapates more energy per square centimeter than a nuclear powerplant), and the old standby quantum computing.

 

Future tech is fun; I just wish I had some of it.

[jbanes]

So what happened to DNA storage as an alternative to hard drives? There was talk some years back about using canisters of organic material to save computer data, but nothing ever came of it. Is DNA storage the 21st century equivalent of the steam-powered engine... an innovative but ultimately impractical technology?

As I recall, that required replacing the entire computer with a DNA-based bio-computer, didn't it? A quick Google finds me this summary on such computing. It's been a while, but I seem to remember that interfacing with such a system was kind of a problem. Internally, the computer can communicate through DNA all it wants, but to move that into the world of electronics (a requirement for any sort of mechanical control) made the whole thing screech to a halt. Of course, they might have solved the transfer rate by now.

 

What I think is kind of cool is that holographic storage is finally appearing. I remember that as being huge in the 90's, with talk of using multi-terrabyte WORM units as a replacement for our pitiful hard disk capacities of the day. Of course, magnetic technology kind of caught up, making that idea impractical, but the technology ended up in other applications. Specifically, the latest round of high definition optical discs (HD-DVD and Blueray) partly owe their huge capacities to being able to layer data using crude holographic technology. Once this tech is perfected, we can expect some rather impressive storage capacities.

[JB]

There aren't many options available for players who want cooler game systems. Either they have to settle for slower consoles (the Wii) or wait for more advanced technology.

Or do a case mod to improve the existing situation.

Unless you know what you're doing, a casemod can make things worse. Most mods assume a simplistic airflow model that has little to do with the actual vortexes and pressure differences that would occur in a running system. As a result, the airflow can stagnate, leading to pockets of heat buildup.

Y're no fun.

 

Just grab a minifridge and drill some holes in the side for cables. Instant coolcase.

 

Laser chips are in the planning stages; they'll use light technology which will not only make computers run cooler, but much faster as well.

That's only for outside communication. Basically, the MOTHERBOARD will be fiberoptic, but the actual chip will still be silicon.

Actually, he's right. Integrated Optical Circuits is an up-and-coming technology that etches small optical channels through a semiconductor to create components that behave similar to our electric components today, but using photons as the information carrier rather than a voltage. This is possible because computational theory holds that computers have zip to do with our current silicon design, and can actually be expressed through a variety of methods. Personally, I always wanted to build a water computer as a teaching tool on how microprocessors work.

 

In theory, these optical circuits are smaller, lighter, and less power-hungry than their larger electronic cousins. Of course, the same is true about every generation of die shrinkage, so it shouldn't be too surprising.

Ah. I must've misunderstood the articles I'd read.

...

Or made the mistake of trusting an article ABOUT the article instead of the original article.

 

As long as we're talking future-tech, though...

Grow pure diamonds and etch microprocessors on slices of them. Won't do a lot for heat generation, but diamond holds up a lot better than silicon. You could make a modern computer with no cooling whatsoever if it was diamond chips.

Mmmm. First we have to disband DeBeers so they don't stand in the way of artificial diamond progress. Good luck on that one.

*steals a nuclear missile*

...

What? It's just for decoration, I swear.

 

Other fun future tech includes: clockless, asynchronous processors (already got a few in production), pulse-tube coolers (for that chip that dissapates more energy per square centimeter than a nuclear powerplant), and the old standby quantum computing.

 

Future tech is fun; I just wish I had some of it.

Yes. Future tech is awesome.

[keilbaca]

There aren't many options available for players who want cooler game systems. Either they have to settle for slower consoles (the Wii) or wait for more advanced technology.

Or do a case mod to improve the existing situation.

Unless you know what you're doing, a casemod can make things worse. Most mods assume a simplistic airflow model that has little to do with the actual vortexes and pressure differences that would occur in a running system. As a result, the airflow can stagnate, leading to pockets of heat buildup.

Y're no fun.

 

Just grab a minifridge and drill some holes in the side for cables. Instant coolcase.

 

 

At one point I actually thought about doing that with my PC. You have to spray the inside of the fridge with silicon so no condensation happens. Wet electronics = bad.

 

Once I eventually get a 360 (probably soon with the news about gutar hero going multiplatform), I want to mod the hell out of the case, basically making it look like a PC, including installing my own LED fans.

 

I already cut a rectangle in my slim ps2 right where the fan is and it most definitely solves overheating problems.

Edited September 23, 2006 by keilbaca

[jbanes]

Mmmm. First we have to disband DeBeers so they don't stand in the way of artificial diamond progress. Good luck on that one.

*steals a nuclear missile*

...

What? It's just for decoration, I swear.

Oh, ok. I assume it's for decorating DeBeers' office?

 

Here, let me help you with that!

[JB]

At one point I actually thought about doing that with my PC. You have to spray the inside of the fridge with silicon so no condensation happens. Wet electronics = bad.

Rats. Forgot about that... add a dehumidifier, maybe?

 

 

Mmmm. First we have to disband DeBeers so they don't stand in the way of artificial diamond progress. Good luck on that one.

*steals a nuclear missile*

...

What? It's just for decoration, I swear.

Oh, ok. I assume it's for decorating DeBeers' office?

 

Here, let me help you with that!

Thanks! Always helps to have an accomplice... I mean assistant!

[Jess Ragan]

I dunno if that's going to work so well... after all, a diamond producer like DeBeer's must have one heck of a bomb shelter!

 

JR

[Clint Thompson]

I don't care how hot my game system gets.... I could care less as long as it's stable and works, haha.

 

I seen the picture of a small fan pointing upwards toward the demo unit though... of the PS3, that was humorous. Lame cooling setup.