8th lutz Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) http://ps3.ign.com/articles/744/744063p1.html According to this you need a system update to version 1.02. The games that need a firmware update are Madden NFL 07, Genji: Days of the Blade, Ridge Racer 7 and Resistance: Fall of Man. Arcording the link the good news about the updates is the update ships on the disc so that you won't need to be online to download anything, but you should of course be able to update before the games come by hopping online. What in the name of the Jolly Roger is going on here? This means the ps 3 should be easy to be pirated. This also means the system will need firmware updates as time goes by for the ps 3. The psp is easy system to be pirated and now the ps 3 appears to be. Great, just what the industry needs is another system that is easy to be pirated! I hope I am wrong here. A system that needs firmware tells me that the system is easy to be pirated like in playing pirated stuff on it. Edited November 4, 2006 by 8th lutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Salamon Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Perhaps but what's the price tag on a BluRay Burner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starscream Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Uh oh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretthorror Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Clue me in, what is firmware and why is it bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8th lutz Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 Perhaps but what's the price tag on a BluRay Burner? According to froggle the cheapest one is for $674.10. It is expensive. Remember the ps 3 is about 400 to 500 dollars cheaper then other blu-ray player out there before tax outside of ebay. It would be just a couple more hundle dollars then what a blu-ray outside a ps 3 goes for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Uh oh Only a vicious Sony fanboy would post monstrous lies like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8th lutz Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) Clue me in, what is firmware and why is it bad? Firmware itself isn't bad, it doesn't do its job for a long time for piracy. I don't support piracy and I like the idea of firmware in that regard. Firmware is like a patch for the flaws of the microsoft windows series in terms of correcting flaws. The case of firmware it is for piratcy for the most past and any other loop holes that can be exploited without . The other thing it is for upgrades on correcting flaws or adding features to the system. It is bad in that regard due to the case of the psp due to the hackers find a way to override within a month or two. In the case of the psp these have to been down on-line or at a store to my understanding. For the psp there had a lot of firmware updates due to the fact it takes a short time for firmware to be overriden. What happens is sony makes sure that the system needs an update for that reason. People pirate the psp now and the ps 3 soon I think is due to making pirated movies and download emulators on your system. The psp is pirated for the emulators and that will be the same for the ps3. The ps 3 has the capability to be a bigger virtual game console then the wii is with piracy in terms of the amount of emulators and games you can download illegally. I am against downloading games illegally. Edited November 4, 2006 by 8th lutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) Clue me in, what is firmware and why is it bad? Firmware is the software imbedded in the system on ROMs(EEPROMs, flashRAM, whatever). The term was originally intended to indicate a state between that of software(code) and hardware(parts), since firmware was BOTH. A firmware update is the replacing of the existing firmware code with a newer version. This is typically done to fix bugs or add features. On the PlayStation Portable most firmware updates exist primarily to close exploits used for the execution of homebrew software. Which wouldn't really be a problem for the knowledgable user, except that many games and movies REQUIRE the installation of an updated firmware to be used. These updates have been confirmed to have no actual bearing on the game/movie in question, thereby implying that Sony wants them there to force upgrades to firmware revisions that can't run existing homebrew software. This is where the concept that firmware updates are bad comes from. The issue is also less relevant now that the PSP has a software library worth speaking of. Many of the initial firmware update complaints were because the system had no worthwhile games outside of homebrew emulation of other systems. As far as the Wii picture... Signs do NOT point to the startup disk being a last-minute firmware update. If it was, the system wouldn't know to request the update. Signs point to the system shipping with minimal software installed. This has the advantage of making it easier to ensure the Wii ships with the most current OS revision available, but the disadvantage of requiring end-user installation of the software. Edited November 4, 2006 by JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Brasky Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 That's AWESOME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moycon Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Signs do NOT point to the startup disk being a last-minute firmware update. If it was, the system wouldn't know to request the update. Signs point to the system shipping with minimal software installed. This has the advantage of making it easier to ensure the Wii ships with the most current OS revision available, but the disadvantage of requiring end-user installation of the software. Signs???? What signs are you refering to again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 The Mel Gibson movie. Mainly because it sucked and I want my dollar back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 All systems have changeable firmware these days, including the Wii. It's a great thing, it allows companies to add new features to their systems and fix potential problems, after they've already been sold. And it's not all about piracy, there have been several features added to the PSP, since it launched. And there will be some more coming, for the GPS and camera add-ons. Same with the PS3, they can add more audio and video codecs any time they like, all it does is benefit the end-user. Besides, f*ck all the whiney pirate bitches, all they are doing is hurting the industry and making the country more and more of a police state, with big brother watching you (Windows Vista anyone?). I was forced to upgrade my 360, just so I could play Dead Rising (upgrade was on the disc), so what? EDIT: One more thing, you won't need to hack the PS3 for homebrew, you'll have Linux for that, this time it isn't a joke like the PS2 version was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 The Mel Gibson movie. Mainly because it sucked and I want my dollar back. Nah, M. Night Shamalamadingdong deserves most of the "credit" for that one! JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 My refrigerator has firmware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 (edited) EDIT: One more thing, you won't need to hack the PS3 for homebrew, you'll have Linux for that, this time it isn't a joke like the PS2 version was. Can I hold you to that? That comment alone may be enough to make me want a PS3 sooner, rather than later. As for piracy concerns. Assuming Sony has any brains ( ) uh, where was I. Oh yeah.. Any holes that existed on the PSP most likely will not exist on the PS3. So I would not be too concerned about it. Firmware updates have the added benefit of allowing improvements (like the web browser in the PSP), to plugging up security holes since maleformed data seems to be the latest "in" thing when it comes to exploits. Edited November 4, 2006 by Shannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warmachine Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 ps3 mame with multi core support please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liveinabin Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 If anything, forced updates of the system firmware actually combat piracy. I mean your system is constantly being modified by Sony (in the same way that Windows gets patched every few days to remove security holes) unlike older systems, the PS1 for example, wheere they sold you the finished hardware/firmware combo straight out of the box with the invitiation "Go hack it!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjarabbit Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I'm against piracy but honestly I see no problems with altering or customizing my hardware to do things like play importsand with the firmware updates it ends up making a lot of these altered systems into expensive pieces of brick. It's kinda like a car manufacturer telling me that I can't 'pimp my ride' or it won't run after I bought and paid for the car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Salamon Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I'm against piracy but honestly I see no problems with altering or customizing my hardware to do things like play importsand with the firmware updates it ends up making a lot of these altered systems into expensive pieces of brick. It's kinda like a car manufacturer telling me that I can't 'pimp my ride' or it won't run after I bought and paid for the car Pimpin' your ride and pirating software are two totally different things. Nomination for worst analogy of the year award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwayfox Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I would agree that piracy is bad, but I dont see a problem with playing homebrew games on your PS3. Letting a company like Sony, and go back on it word a couple times done not make me feel confident that there will not be major problems that wont have to be address with fillware updates. I think It would be so awsome if you could run emulater of your other systems you own and just play them on ps3. Mame support would be awsome, L8r Dudes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I'm against piracy but honestly I see no problems with altering or customizing my hardware to do things like play importsand with the firmware updates it ends up making a lot of these altered systems into expensive pieces of brick. It's kinda like a car manufacturer telling me that I can't 'pimp my ride' or it won't run after I bought and paid for the car Pimpin' your ride and pirating software are two totally different things. Nomination for worst analogy of the year award. Wow... he EXPLICITLY mentions import gaming and states he's against piracy, and you proceed to throw piracy back at him? To take the "pimp my ride" analogy, that's like responding to someone that says they hate loud music, but do like a better-sounding system than what ships in the car with a snide remark about blaring crappy rap music through huge subwoofers in crowded urban areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ragan Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Here's the problem I have with the Playstation 3 (well, one of them, anyway). The developers have stated that it's a computer, not a game system, and should be treated as such. If it is in fact a computer, doesn't that suggest that the system will have an open architecture? If it does, piracy on the PS3 will be rampant. If it doesn't, then Sony lied to us in the hopes of forcing another game system into our living rooms. You can't have it both ways. JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Tomlin Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Here's the problem I have with the Playstation 3 (well, one of them, anyway). The developers have stated that it's a computer, not a game system, and should be treated as such. They only did that for one reason, and that's to avoid "game console" taxes in Europe. They did that for the PS2 as well. Where can I order a PS2 Linux disc again? Oh, that's right, they don't sell them any more. Don't worry, the console will be somehow neutered so that you can't run rips, and that will probably also limit what "homebrews" can do, plus you'll have no SDK. And don't forget you'll have to boot up using Linux to play them, meaning that you can only make games for other people who have paid money and gone to the trouble of special-ordering the Linux disc which probably will be discontinued sometime in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xizer Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 I sure hope the PS3 is easy to pirate on. Pirating rocks. Homebrew's swell as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 I sure hope the PS3 is easy to pirate on. Pirating rocks. Arr, matey! Welcome aboard the HMS Warez! Me and me mates be sailin' the seas o' the 'net fer booty! And by booty, I mean leet rawmz and isos! Arr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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