bloatedmonkey Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 Once again a game is lost before anyone gets to bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1359113947 I guess I just have to accept this new ebay reality. Bummer. I found out the seller accepted $125 for it. I'll be curious to see what the current one listed goes for (if it makes it to the end): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1360482708 I've never seen one of these actually sell, and I'm very interested in what the true auction value is, since I have one to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bez Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 What a pity is all I have to say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cx2k Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 If you look closely, you can see that they're the same cart. I guess one account could be a shill account for the seller... John Once again a game is lost before anyone gets to bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1359113947 I guess I just have to accept this new ebay reality. Bummer. I found out the seller accepted $125 for it. I'll be curious to see what the current one listed goes for (if it makes it to the end): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1360482708 I've never seen one of these actually sell, and I'm very interested in what the true auction value is, since I have one to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloatedmonkey Posted June 16, 2002 Author Share Posted June 16, 2002 Huh, I didn't notice that. So either the seller lied to me, he's running a scam, or he just decided not to sell it and relist it. By the way, here's what he wrote me: well i sold it for $125, only because i was not 100% sure it was atlantis 2 - atlantis 1 & 2 are identical games except for a little difference in the scoring letters. It was marked atlantis 2 with a tag and the title was New Atlantis. curious to know what your bid was though. and if you may be interested in any other games i may have them andy As you can see, he's "not sure" that it is genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 Uhhhh, just because someone scratched a "2" in the label of the cartridge does not make it "Atlantis II". Here is a picture of the box of a genuine Atlantis II: Atlantis II Box Now, if I had a copy of this game as a result of the Imagic contest, I sure as hell wouldn't have peeled off the sticker. This is the only physical identifying mark that I'm aware of. Here is the page we put together when we revealed Atlantis II: Atlantis II Discovered. As you can see, Imagic also sent letters out to contestants, and this would be another way to verify the authenticity of any Atlantis II carts. I'd be very skeptical of anything on eBay claiming to be an Atlantis II. And yes, it does appear that the same cart is being pictured in both auctions, the scratched in "2" gives that away pretty clearly. Either that, or it's the same person simply scratching a "2" on regular Atlantis carts in an attempt to scam people. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 well i sold it for $125, only because i was not 100% sure it was atlantis 2 - atlantis 1 & 2 are identical games except for a little difference in the scoring letters. It was marked atlantis 2 with a tag and the title was New Atlantis.curious to know what your bid was though. and if you may be interested in any other games i may have them andy If someone did shell out $125, they're probably going to be disappointed when they receive the game. I wonder if the seller actually tried playing the game to see if the scoring letters were different. The fact that the seller mentioned, "New Atlantis" is amusing, since the "New" was used one earlier boxes to designate "Hey, this is a new game!" not, "Hey, this is a new version of Atlantis!" Sigh.. It's also possible that one or more people are burning copies of the Atlantis II ROM (which you can download here and elsewhere) and sticking them into Atlantis carts. I hope that's not happening, but I sure wouldn't be surprised. I've never tried opening an Imagic cart, I don't know if you can easily do so without damaging the label. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Atari Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 I was instantly unsure about that guy. The box would and should have that sticker. If the sticker was peeled off, wouldn't it have ripped the box, or left some residue at least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 Two Atlantis IIs in less than a day. These seem to be crawling out of the woodwork all of a sudden if they are even legit or not. This one doesn't have a sticker on the box either, but it does say "New Atlantis" in the title. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...item=1360482708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 This one doesn't have a sticker on the box either, but it does say "New Atlantis" in the title. The box with "New" next to Atlantis in the title is hardly uncommon and isn't even worth mentioning. I don't even know what to think about these auctions. People are obviously looking at the rarity value of Atlantis II on our site, and seeing how the box scan we have has the "New" in the title, they may just be assuming this is "Atlantis II". Of course, if they also look at the other Atlantis scans we have, they'd see that the normal Atlantis also comes in this same style. So I feel there is deception taking place, especially with two auctions from two sellers both using what appears to be pictures of the SAME cartridge. Or both of them have scratched a 2 into the label in the same place. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitfall Harry Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 I guess I just have to accept this new ebay reality. Bummer. The "new eBay reality" gets uglier every day. Just take a look at the Fake Beagle Brothers Cart auction to see what I mean. The new reality is this: If a rare videogame is easy to counterfeit, it will be counterfeited. Any time you see a rare classic videogame being sold on eBay -- especially if it has a low Buy It Now price -- you would be wise to examine it very carefully before placing a bid. And if you are the least bit suspicious about its authenticity, ASK somebody here. The depth of the collective knowledge on this board might just pleasantly surprise you. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliColts Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 You just have to be careful and think about what you are buying. There are plenty of legit auctions but the fake ones seem to be showing up more often. Just do some research before you buy a high dollar item, we do for most anything else expensive we buy, so why not on eBay? Also, auctions can be misnamed or wrong and not be fake. I picked up a fairly rare Colecovision game yesterday that was mislabeled as an atari game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloatedmonkey Posted June 16, 2002 Author Share Posted June 16, 2002 The new reality is this: If a rare videogame is easy to counterfeit, it will be counterfeited. Actually, the "new reality" I was referring to was people ending auctions early by making back-scene offers (see the Sylentwulf thread). That really irks me, and although I don't wish any Atari collector any discomfort, there's some satisfaction to me that the guy who made an offer on this will probably be disappointed. But on second thought, I should be thanking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Weis Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 i have dealt with andy many times! i don't think he is trying to rip someone off!! since the cart has a night picture he thinks it's atlantis 2 i think he just don't know...... as far as the 2nd auction being andy, i don't think so! has anyone asked a question to that seller?? it could be that the 2nd seller is just using the pictures the andy had up! Take Care, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitfall Harry Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 it could be that the 2nd seller is just using the pictures the andy had up! The pictures definitely show the same cart, but they are different pics. The camera angles, distance to cart and the lighting are all different. It's not the sort of thing where someone could take the original auction pics and photoshop them into the second set. If anyone could do that, they'd certainly have thought to retouch the pics to where you couldn't identify the cart as the same one from the first auction. What does this all mean? Beats me. Maybe the buyer paid for an express delivery, snapped the pics as soon as he tore open the package and pasted them into an auction template he had set up the minute the fist seller said he'd sell him the cart. Or maybe it's something else. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylentwulf Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 I would guess someone saw the night label, sold it as atlantis 2 (Probly on purpose, maybe on accident) the buyer opened it, popped it in, and saw that the scoring was obviously the same, and immediately re-listed it. Why ANYONE would buy an "atlantis II" without seeing ORIGINAL screenshots of the scoring system is way beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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