Curt Vendel Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Here is what I've found: RT~~RT System contains messages 36631 to 37045 Starting message number: 36631 #: 36631 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: 36435-#CP/M Dead ? 14-Jan-84 09:18:56 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: Ron Winn 73145,340 (X) The rumour mill is wonderfull isn't it? I was told directly by Atari personnel at their booth, that the CP/M box (Model 1060) was definatly cancelled as was the 1400XLD. They didi say that there appeared to be the possability that the 1060 would be marketed by someone else (it was developed out of house in the first place). The Expansion Box (Model 1066) IS coming, but it's just a matter of when and at what price. As for the extra ROM on the new CBM computers, there is an onboard chip slot that will allow up to 32K ROMs to be plugged in, and thus the built in software. This is in addition to the 32K ROM that is already there for BASIC and the OS. When there is ROM based software built in, on boot-up along with the BASIC copyright message will be a line that tells you what software is in ROM and that pressing a function key will make it active. Sysop*Michael Reichmann #: 37018 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #36631-CP/M Dead ? 16-Jan-84 19:19:47 Fm: Ron Winn 73145,340 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 A ROM chip socket or cartridge slot ? If a ROM, who installs it ? #: 36632 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #810 DISK DRIVE 14-Jan-84 09:23:14 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M USING A OLD RCA I BOUGHT SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO YOU CAN SEE I'M READY FOR SOMETHING BETTER FOR HOME USAGE. THOGUH I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT MY TERMINAL (WITH MODEM BUILT IN), IT NEVER LET ME DOWN YET. "THE NOVICE" #: 36660 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36632-#810 DISK DRIVE 14-Jan-84 12:58:49 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) Well, Heidi - I'm glad you chose to buy an Atari - When are you planning to get your computer, drive etc??? Marlene #: 36664 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36660-#810 DISK DRIVE 14-Jan-84 13:46:31 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) WELL ACTUALLY I AM GOING TO GET IT NEXT WEEK (I THINK). DEPENDS ON THE 800XL SHIPMENT. I WON'T GET MY DRIVE FOR A WHILE, BUT WILL PROBABLY GET MY PRINTER(1027), AND ATARIWRITER WHEN I GET THE COMPUTER. I WILL ALSO WORK ON 'RIGGING UP' A TAPE RECORDER TO THE ATARI (LIKE SHOWN IN JANUARY COMPUTERS AND ELECTRONICS). I EXPECT EVERYONE HERE WILL HEAR ME 'CROWING' WHEN I *FINALLY* DO GET MY COMPUTER <GRIN>. #: 36692 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36664-#810 DISK DRIVE 14-Jan-84 18:34:11 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) Good luck in using tape...there is so much more available once you switch to disks. I have a 1027 Printer - and other then it's incredible slowness I really like it... Hope the 800XL's show up on time - they're not easy to find. By the way - since no one has told you yet - you can use Upper and Lower Case on CIS - just go to CIS-6 and change your parameters to "OTHER" and unlock U/L Case - it's a whole other world ! Regards, Marlene #: 36702 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36692-#810 DISK DRIVE 14-Jan-84 19:23:36 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) THANKS AGAIN MARLENE. I'LL TRY CIS 6. I KNOW THAT DISKS ARE GREAT BUT I WANT TO WAIT BEFORE MAKING A DECISION. <CROSSING FINGERS FOR 800XL> HEIDI #: 36717 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36702-#810 DISK DRIVE 14-Jan-84 21:28:34 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) Let me know when you get it and your impressions of the machine. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Marlene #: 36809 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36717-#810 DISK DRIVE 15-Jan-84 09:49:05 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) BUT IF YOUR FINGERS WERE CROSSED YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TYPE ON HERE MARLENE! HEHEHE. ANYWYS, I'VE HEARD SOME RUMORS THAT THEY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE ON MONDAY. ..AND I'LL CERTAINLY TELL EVERYONE HOW I LIKE "MY" NEW MACHINE. I'LL PROABLY HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE EXPERTS ON HERE TOO! <GRINNING> HEIDI #: 36821 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36809-#810 DISK DRIVE 15-Jan-84 10:27:11 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) Yes...I'd say that your questions have only just begun!!! What part of the country do you live in? Marlene #: 36840 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36821-#810 DISK DRIVE 15-Jan-84 13:12:10 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) COLUMBUS OHIO! I AM ATTENDING OHIO STATE MAJORING IN EAST EUROPEAN AND SOVIET STUDIES (UNDERGRAD). #: 36871 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36840-810 DISK DRIVE 15-Jan-84 16:10:21 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) Ah, right in the heart of CIS country! Are you planning on teaching? Marlene #: 36896 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #810 DISK DRIVE 15-Jan-84 18:59:01 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) One more thing, Heidi...now type in U/L case...if you can on your terminal. The reason I asked about teaching is because of what you are studying... Other then being a diplomat - I couldn't think of another job for Soviet culture...of course you could always be a spy!!!! #: 36972 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36896-#810 DISK DRIVE 16-Jan-84 15:36:37 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) A SPY HUH? LIKE MATI HARI? HEHE I COULD ALSO GO INTO TRANLATION OR WORK FOR A BUSINESS (FOREIGN LANGUAGE WITH A ECCONOMICS BACKGROUND ISN'T SO BAD TO PLACE). ANYWAYS, I CANNOT PRINT LOWER CASE, IT ISN'T POSSIBLE WITH AN RCA. IT'S LIKE THE TRS 80 III (UNLESS I'M WRONG), THEY WON'T PRINT IT EITHER! BESIDES, I DO HAVE THE CAPITALS UNLOCKED, SO DON'T WORRY THAT I JUST DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT! THANKS FOR THE CONCERN ABOUT IT THOUGH. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO BE CARED ABOUT MARLENE! ---BEST! HEIDI #: 36979 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36972-#810 DISK DRIVE 16-Jan-84 16:14:49 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) I didn't think you could...just thought I'd mention it - "in case"! What's the story on the shipment of 800XL's? Marlene #: 37000 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36979-#810 DISK DRIVE 16-Jan-84 17:38:44 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) COULDN'T CHECK ON THE 800XL'S YET TODAY. I WAS TOO BUSY. ANYWAYS, I DID MAKE A FEW CALLS TODAY AND EITHER THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEM YET OR THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW! <GRRRRR!!!> OH WELL <SIGH>. #: 37001 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #37000-810 DISK DRIVE 16-Jan-84 17:54:23 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 Yup, the usual run-around! Have patience! #: 36633 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: MESSAGE # 36402 (CONT) 14-Jan-84 09:30:50 Fm: SYSOP*Greg Leslie 71565,235 To: Pat Bryant 70476,1414 Thanks, Pat! #: 36996 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: MESSAGE # 36402 (CONT) 16-Jan-84 17:18:01 Fm: MARK BIGELOW 73655,604 To: Jon E. Schneider 70155,600 #: 36634 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #CES 14-Jan-84 09:38:40 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: Kevin Murphy 72456,272 I just got to your message, after reading the replies first. Now I understand a little bit more about what you're getting at. Kevin, your a good guy but you suffer from the same malaise as your boss Mr. Morgan. You divide the micro market into two isolated catagories; Home and Business. That's like saying the the automotive market has two poles, the Chevy Scooter and the Lamborgini. There are people out there in the 'home' market that DO need more than 48K. Steve's example of the fellow with a large stamp collection is one such example. I find the speed of the 8 bit chips (and the 8088 without the 8087) very slow for some of the statictical funcions I'd like to be able to run. Without dwelling on CBM's strategy overmuch for fear of being accused of biase, let me just say that they are going to make a killing with the 264/364 by targeting them at the 'personal Productivity' market. This in esence is one segment of the home market; not games, not education but also not capital 'B' Business. They are setting out to be the General Motors of micros, and it looks like they may do it. Seeing that they is a segmented market out there doesn't take any great degree of intellegence. My question is, why does Jim Morgan not see it, or listen to those that do. There's a lesson to be learned from marketing cigarets, and cars and VCRs and TVs etc etc. Give people choice, even if there really isn't any difference in the products; make them think there are through marketing. Look at CBMs new machines. There's nothing about them that REALLY makes them more suitable than an 800XL for the marget segment that they'll be targeting, in fact the 800XL is a better machine in a number of important areas. The trick lies in convincing the buying public that there IS a difference. There you have it, my sermon for the day, free of charge. As for me I want a machine with a 16 bit processor and 128+ of memory and a hard disk, all at prices I can afford, and I'll buy it from whomever can sell it to me. Remeber the old saying; "Lead, Follow or get out of the way." #: 36738 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #36634-#CES 14-Jan-84 22:38:51 Fm: John Navas II 72645,1070 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 (X) I'll be right behind you in line! #: 36794 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #36738-CES 15-Jan-84 06:12:05 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: John Navas II 72645,1070 (X) So will about a million other people John. The question now is, who's line will we be standing in? #: 36808 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #36738-#CES 15-Jan-84 09:46:21 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: John Navas II 72645,1070 (X) John, I wanted to tell you that I really enjoyed your report on CES... Thanks! Marlene #: 36848 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #36808-#CES 15-Jan-84 13:39:28 Fm: John Navas II 72645,1070 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) At last I've arrived on the SIG - a message from M... ! (Seriously, I'm glad you liked the report - see my message to Mike for comments on software, IBM and Colece.) -John #: 36872 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #36848-CES 15-Jan-84 16:15:16 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: John Navas II 72645,1070 (X) I'm flattered! I did read your message to Michael - see my comments to that msg.! Marlene #: 36899 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: CES 15-Jan-84 19:01:19 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: John Navas II 72645,1070 (X) Sorry, John...I meant the comments that I made in reply to Michael's reply to you - If you can understand that sentance - I'm impressed!!!!! Marlene #: 36635 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #CES Report in XA9 14-Jan-84 09:45:41 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: Kevin Murphy 72456,272 Please see my seperate reply. I must say I resent your comment about 'asking Lee Isgur'. Who put you up to that one Kevin? You know that a staement like that is a crock! I though you were one of the 'good guys'. Maybe I was wrong. If Lee has been 'down' on Atari (I think your appelation was rude and uncalled for), it is his business, and if I've been less than excited about Atari's future it is based on my own observations alone. The difference is, that if Lee says publically that Warner and Atari are a poor bet, their stock drops and they loose millions, if I say the same thing I don't get called by The Wall Street Journal for a quote, I get grief from SIG members who sit home stroking their computers and who can't face the real world (oh boy am I gonna get it for that one). Cheers. #: 37023 Sec. 9 - CES chatter Sb: #36635-CES Report in XA9 16-Jan-84 19:34:23 Fm: Ron Winn 73145,340 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 I'm intriqued by your comment about Sig members who can't face the real world. Could you elucidate ? #: 36637 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #TSCOPE 14-Jan-84 09:51:34 Fm: DR. EARL GAAR 73655,332 To: ALL I HAVE AN ATARI 800, 810 AND 835 AND AM VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN OBTAINING A COPY OF TSCOPE.AS IS THE PROBLEM, THE SOCALLED CATCH 22-I CURRENTLY HAVE NO WAY TO DOWNLOAD TSCOPE ON MY MACHINE. I ALSO DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER COMPUTER USERS IN MY AREA. IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DOWNLOAD TSCOPE ON YOUR MACHINE, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN MAKING A COPY OF IT FOR ME. I'LL SEND YOU A BLANK DISKETTE AND PAY FOR ALL THE CHARGES. MY ADDRESS IS THE FOLLOWING: DR. EARL GAAR, 415 CENTRAL AVENUE,LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY, 40208. YOU CAN ALSO REPLY TO ME (PREFERENTIALLY) OVER COMPUSERVE'S ATARI SIG. I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT IF SOMEONE WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP ME OUT WITH THIS PROBLEM. MANY MANY THANKS --------EARL GAAR #: 36644 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #36637-TSCOPE 14-Jan-84 10:27:29 Fm: SYSOP*Ron Luks 76703,254 To: DR. EARL GAAR 73655,332 (X) I noticed a few msgs back, one of our members is generously offering to help 835 owners in your situation. Take a look. #: 36663 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #36637-TSCOPE 14-Jan-84 13:45:56 Fm: SYSOP*Greg Leslie 71565,235 To: DR. EARL GAAR 73655,332 (X) Earl -- in case you missed it, the gentleman's name is Dan Hamilton, and his address is 47 Clear Brook Road, West Yarmouth, MA 02673. Be sure to send a disk with your return address. (Dan -- mighty nice of you to do this!) SYSOP*Greg Leslie #: 36639 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: ASSEMBLY 14-Jan-84 10:04:57 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 (X) I DON'T THINK THERE IS MORE I COULD ASK FOR HENRY! THANKS FOR PROVIDING TO INFO! ACTION! SOUNDS VERY GOOD! I REALLY FEEL THIS SIG IS SO MUCH MORE HELPFUL AND FRIENDLY THAN ALL THE OTHER COMPUTER SIGS. HERE, I GET *REAL* ANSWERS. REGARDS, HEIDI #: 36765 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #ASSEMBLY 15-Jan-84 00:47:57 Fm: Al Shrock 72155,654 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) ACTION! has a list price of $100, but is usually available for somewhat less. Tom Mannos is able to get it for $70. Leave him a message (or probably better, use EMAIL) if you are interested. #: 36833 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36765-ASSEMBLY 15-Jan-84 12:34:52 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: Al Shrock 72155,654 THANKS FOR THE INFO ON ACTION AL. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET IN STORES AND JUST WONDERED WHAT IT WAS SELLIGN FOR. #: 36640 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #CREATOR FILES 14-Jan-84 08:00:07 Fm: ROBERT W. MADDREY 70665,413 To: [F4] SYSOP 76703,254 (X) IS THERE A PROGRAM TO DOWNLOAD CREATED FILES FOR USE ON A CASSETTE? #: 36642 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36640-CREATOR FILES 14-Jan-84 10:20:20 Fm: SYSOP*Ron Luks 76703,254 To: ROBERT W. MADDREY 70665,413 (X) Check out the file CREATE.CAS in XA 3. #: 36643 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: YOU 14-Jan-84 10:21:22 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: DENNIS JOHN 71515,333 (X) I'd be happy to debate the 'facts' if indeed you had stated any facts. Your previous messages to Michael Reichmann and myself have been nothing more than personal attacks -- I see no facts here -- just someone with an axe to grind. As to the serial number of my copy of B/Graph -- who said I had a copy? <I do>. The serial number of my copy is none of your concern, but just in case you are making a list of all serial numbers of B/Graph nationally, and mine is the only one missing, I wouldn't want to disappoint you -- it's 137540. #: 36652 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #YOU 14-Jan-84 11:23:57 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: DENNIS JOHN 71515,333 (X) I'll tell you an amusing story Mr. John,; at least I think it is based on your root message from whence all of this has sprung. Robert Wilson and I met on this SIG just over a year ago, in fact it was Xmas eve of 1982. We chatted on the CO a while and then discovered that we both lived in the same city. A few phone calls and a lunch later we discovered that we both were reasonably heavy users of Filemanager 800 and Visicalc. The one thing we needed, but that wasn't available was a business graphics program and Syntrend, though promissed for some time, even then, still wasn't forthcoming. I had been writing a simple graphics program which I intended on uploading to the SIG, (ask Ron Luks, he even has a copy of that early version) but when I became involved with Bob it quickly became apparent that we had between us tha ability to produce a commercial product, which we subsequently did. The moral of this tale? You have been bitching about how you waited for neigh on these many moons for Syntrend and yet what did YOU do about it? I'm not suggesting that everyone could or should have done what we did, but what Steve, Russ, Ron, I and the others here are trying to do is help the Atari community by contributing to it in whatever ways we can, whether it's by giving of our time here on the SIG, or making programs that we write vavailable through public domain submissions here on the SIG, or (heaven forbid) writing commercial programs and trying to make some money out of what for some of us, began as a hobby. The point I'm making in my convoluted fashion, is that regardless of whether or not you like what we say, we DO contribute in what ever ways we can to the Atari community. Without hopefully being TOO rude, but I can't resist the oppertunity, what have YOU done for Atari ownere lately? (Why don't I learn to leave well enough alone?) Have a nice day. Sysop*Michael Reichmann #: 36657 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36652-#YOU 14-Jan-84 12:44:15 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 (X) Tsk, tsk, tsk. Glutton for punishment. hehehe [ Russ ] #: 36669 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36657-#YOU 14-Jan-84 14:55:50 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) I know. I keep wanting people to beat me. A personality defect my wife tells me. Boy, am I asking for it. [EKIM] (That'll confuse um). #: 36695 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36669-#YOU 14-Jan-84 18:47:11 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 (X) Dearest Ekim...I think you and all the Sysops are terrific - I wouldn't have you any other way then as you are. The SIG is such an incredible place that it would be impossible for anyone to understand it without experiencing it themselves. Anyone who would imply that you or the other sysops and members would give slanted opinions for personal gain is really out of line. Apparently, Dennis John has been on the SIG for quite awhile - yet I don't recall seeing many messages from him. I think anyone who more or less just reads the messages and doesn't participate - should think twice about accusing people he doesn't know or communicate with of the things he did. Right or wrong - at least the active members of the SIG constantly interact with each other and that's what makes the SIG so super. This truly is an incredible place, to learn from, to help others and to just relax and enjoy. Thank you Michael, Ron, Steve, Russ, Greg, Dan & Arlan and everyone else for making this worth the $150,000,000 a month that it costs for me to be on here! Marlene #: 36701 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36695-#YOU 14-Jan-84 19:21:10 Fm: SYSOP*Greg Leslie 71565,235 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) Thanks for the sentiments, Marlene! ($150M a month???! I think you may be entitled to your own node. Check with FEEDBACK for details. hehehehe) greg #: 36716 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36701-YOU 14-Jan-84 21:27:11 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: SYSOP*Greg Leslie 71565,235 (X) Thank YOU, Greg! It's worth every penny! Maybe I should be entitled to a piece of the BLOCK!!!!! Marlene #: 36723 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36695-YOU 14-Jan-84 21:50:38 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) Thank you Marlene! <And welcome back -- had we known, we would have formed a 'Free Marlene' campaign for you!> #: 36789 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36695-#YOU 15-Jan-84 05:33:35 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) Thank YOU Marlene for your always kind and considerate support. You're right you know, Mr. John has been a member of the SIG for quite a long time yet I can hardly recall any participation from him prior to this recent outburst. You know, it's funny, this silly new communications medium is damn expensive for all of us in terms of time and money. Why even remain here if one objects to the way it is being run, or disagrees with the 'style' of the people who run it and actively partcipate in it? It seems to me that part of the fun of being here is to exchange ideas as well as opinions. If we didn't have differing perceptions and talents it would be an awfully boreing place. The last thing that SIG*Atari is, is boring, and I intend on keeping it that way (otherwise where's the fun?) #: 36819 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36789-#YOU 15-Jan-84 10:15:18 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 (X) AGREED! Boring - NEVER - Time consuming - FOR SURE! I must admit that in my two weeks off the SIG I got alot more accomplished with my computer then I usually do! But I wouldn't give it up for anything. Regards, Marlene PS Are you EVER going to visit your relatives in Roslyn again????? #: 36825 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36819-#YOU 15-Jan-84 10:58:36 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) Actually, Wendie is going for the weekend, next week, but I'm so tied up on several projects, and have been traveling so much recently, that I won't be able to make this trip. I've mentioned your name to Wendie, and she says that she may recognise it. What schools did you go to. Wendie's maiden name is Flaster and she grew up in Rockville Centre. Cheers #: 36831 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36825-YOU 15-Jan-84 12:25:35 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 (X) My maiden name is Morello - I grew up in Queens... Maybe she recognizes Zenker because Steven and his sisters grew up in Roslyn... Their names are Barbara and Suzanne. Flaster doesn't sound familiar to me...I'm sorry you won't be coming here soon - I'll be at the June CES - so at least we'll meet there. Marlene #: 36671 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36657-YOU 14-Jan-84 15:09:13 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) Watch out Russ, that's the 'inner circle' bs again! <'course so is this> #: 36820 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: YOU 15-Jan-84 10:25:36 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) Actually, it's good when someone like Mr. John gets everyone heated up over an issue - makes us all realize how much we like, respect and enjoy the SIG and it's members. Good luck in getting your computer... Marlene #: 36646 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #TSCOPE 14-Jan-84 10:29:22 Fm: Brad Paulsen 70035,1050 To: SYSOP*Ron Luks 76703,254 (X) Ron, Can't remember what width I had the screen set to. I wasn't able to print out the DOC before I ran the program (too late at night -- wife was sleeping in the next room), so I was flying just a bit "blind." I'll make sure it's set to 32 when I try again. Thanks, again, to both ATARI*SIG and, especially, Joe Miller for making this program available. By the way, why isn't Joe Miller President of ATARI yet?!?!?!? Brad #: 36648 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #36646-TSCOPE 14-Jan-84 10:33:20 Fm: SYSOP*Ron Luks 76703,254 To: Brad Paulsen 70035,1050 (X) They couldn't make Joe the president. How would it look if all of a sudden they actually had someone that knew what the computer industry was all about running the show? hehehehe #: 36649 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: COMPLAINTS 14-Jan-84 11:00:06 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: DENNIS JOHN 71515,333 (X) Thanks, I've always tried to be honest and hope that comes across sometimes when I'm on a ranting spree. As Ron mentioned, one sysop is NOT in the business and another is only peripherally associated with it. And two others have only recently become involved via their involvement here. I can assure you that *none* of the sysops would ever try to be manipulative when it comes to product reviews, suggestions for what equipment to buy, etc.. As far as personal background goes, I don't mind. I've been "in the business" a total of about 4 1/2 years now. My first venture was The Cornsoft Group, which produced some of Radio Shack's mainline products, along with some of the best selling TRS-80 products. I left there to work for Scott Adams at Adventure International, where I worked as author liason. About two years ago, I persuaded Scott to loan me an Atari setup against future royalties, after attending one of Chris Crawford's excellent seminars at Atari. At that point, I started Star Systems Software, Inc. which has been going now for about 18 months. I also write a column for Hi-Res magazine on "advanced use" of Ataris, whatever that means. As I said, *all* of the sysops here are users of Atari computers just like other SIG members, and when asked for recommendations just relay what we really believe is the best. All I get for my work here is $6/hr to offset connect charges *while using the SIG* which hardly approaches my $150/hr programming rate. Gee, maybe we could use some kickbacks! Anybody listening?... hehehe [ Russ Wetmore ] #: 36650 Sec. 1 - "THE" GAME MACHINE Sb: RANA-SYNAPSE NO LOAD! 14-Jan-84 11:11:46 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 (X) Now, now, now.... hehehe [ Russ ] #: 36666 Sec. 1 - "THE" GAME MACHINE Sb: RANA-SYNAPSE NO LOAD! 14-Jan-84 14:52:49 Fm: JERRY BRADSHAW 70405,1362 To: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 (X) I had to ASK for the DOS manual but, yes, I did get one! <JB> #: 36654 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #65C02 14-Jan-84 12:26:40 Fm: ALEX STEVENS 70545,507 To: Ron Winn 73145,340 (X) I understand that the XL's use a 6502C, not the 65C02. The former is just a 6502B with some support chips added to the package and supposedly does not have the 65C02's expanded instruction set. What's probably clobbering BLUE MAX and DRELBS is over-protection: some software is so copy-protected that it's almost unsellable (BLUE MAX won't load on a 400 or 800 if you use a PERCOM drive). IF SURVIVOR started it's probably just got OS problems which the ATARI OS disk might help (unless they check for a RAM-based OS as another copy-protection scheme). The same set of problems happened when ATARI released the B OS on a smaller scale. If you've got an XL machine I wouldn't buy anything that wasn't either listed on the package as being usable on the 600/800XL or that you couldn't test on an XL before paying. #: 37020 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36654-65C02 16-Jan-84 19:22:23 Fm: Ron Winn 73145,340 To: ALEX STEVENS 70545,507 Thanks #: 36655 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #65C02 14-Jan-84 12:37:55 Fm: ALEX STEVENS 70545,507 To: Al Shrock 72155,654 (X) I finished coding the MAC65 set and started testing it last nite. HOO HA! They WORK! So far all I've tried out has been INC A, DEC A, PHY, PLY, and BRA. Makes for very compact code. I can preserve the Y reg over a CIO call just with PHY-PLY, etc. I'll try to get each MAcro verified to see that it produces the correct opcodes before uploading - it would take a looong time to actually exercise each instruction in each addressing mode (and more imagination than I've got). The macros for AMAC should be a little neater. MAC65's editor rejects any new operands for existing instructions so I had to prefix all extended current codes with an @ sign (@INC, @DEC). AMAC doesn't have an editor so I can use the real opcodes for it. #: 36776 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36655-#65C02 15-Jan-84 01:55:37 Fm: Al Shrock 72155,654 To: ALEX STEVENS 70545,507 (X) The syntax checking of MAC/65 can get in the way sometimes. Did you try using the TEXT mode? I am still considering the 65C02, but I'm a bit paranoid about opening up the 800. I'm not exactly a skilled electronics tech. (That is a classic understatement). Maybe I can persuade a friend to do the installation..... #: 36888 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36776-65C02 15-Jan-84 18:16:23 Fm: ALEX STEVENS 70545,507 To: Al Shrock 72155,654 That might be a good idea, but then you'd have to work in ASCII all the time. One of the nice features of MAC65 is compact source files. As for opening up the 800, you surprise me. I for one am scared to death of solid-state electronics. When tubes disappeared I gave up any pretense of electrical expertise - and if I can change a chip anyone can. If you can get a copy of the issue of ANALOG I mentioned in my .DOC file it will make the job much easier. Just ground yourself and do the job in the kitchen with the kettle boiling (high humidity) wearing a t-shirt and jockey shorts (cotton doesn't create static charges). What could be simpler? #: 36658 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: TSCOPE 14-Jan-84 12:46:30 Fm: Frank Nagle 70505,577 To: GLENN KERSHNER 70376,610 (X) Sure Glenn, no problem, send it here! Frank #: 37024 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: TSCOPE 16-Jan-84 19:34:53 Fm: Frank Nagle 70505,577 To: GLENN KERSHNER 70376,610 (X) Glenn, It will be turned around as soon as I get IT.. Frank #: 36659 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: LOGO technical question 14-Jan-84 12:57:08 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: RICHARD BRUDZYNSKI 74035,1550 (X) See you there, Dick... #: 36754 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #LOGO technical question 15-Jan-84 00:14:08 Fm: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 To: Archie Strong 70535,545 (X) Boy, I am in alot of trouble on this one. I shouldn't have lumped Basic? and LOGO togeather like that. Also, I have some trouble with my own philosophy on this one. I like a lot of things about LOGO and I have generally said that we should be looking to languages that do more of the work for us and not worring about precious nanoseconds and bits. However, breaking my own rule, I really think that right now that LOGO's advantages are much reduced by the very slow execution. Some other points are still open in my mind, like recursion. I haven't decided Whether I like it or not. Again, there is a performance trade, recursion always seems to be slower, and if the virtue is unclear, I would tend to go with performance. I am very puzzled by the comment about more specilized languages. I am reasonably sure that most LOGOites would argue that it is the most general of languages. Also, I was signing up for the CO while I was expressing my doubts. #: 36859 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36754-LOGO technical question 15-Jan-84 14:19:04 Fm: Archie Strong 70535,545 To: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 (X) If LOGO had more powerful LIST capabilities, I might consider a general language! You see, in LISP, LOGO's ancestor, everything is a list, including any procedures you might choose to write in it. This allows for manipulation of code by other procedures, including editing, etc. This is not apparently a possibility in LOGO. I am trying to set up a CO--either the weekend of the 20th or after. Marlene says she'll be away the week end after (27th). When would be your preference? #: 36939 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #LOGO technical question 15-Jan-84 22:43:05 Fm: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 To: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 (X) Boy!!!!(or in this case Girl!!!!). Relative to tonights CO. You LOGO persons are really touchy. As I recall (and I do recall) you don't even have Action! and you are telling me that it is not suitable for beginners!!! Well, I'll admit that I am all alone on this, I have argued it with Clint and Bill W. among others!!!! I will admit that in its present form and with the available procs and documdntation taht Action! may not be just the thing for beginners. However, I think that this can be over come. On the other hand, although I like LOGO ok, I have yet to be convinced that it is so great for teaching kids. I am particularly not impressed by Papert or any of his work with kids as a demonstration of anything. Does it worry me a whole lot that I am more catholic etc??? Not a bit. The history of pure math is full of examples of concepts that were later adapted by grungy applied mathmeticians to purposes completly different from that "intended" by their creators. Basic was never "intended" to be used as it is. LOGO was never "intended" to be a kids language. "C" people tend to get upset when it is used for anything but systems programing, but it gets used that way anyway. You said that I should have written Action! . If only I could, but I couldn't. However, it takes more than a single person to develop any language. I might do something Clint didn't intend yet, who knows??? #: 36978 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36939-LOGO technical question 16-Jan-84 16:12:10 Fm: Marlene Zenker 72625,1345 To: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 (X) Henry, I can fully understand your devotion to ACTION!. I am not about to compare LOGO to ACTION! - for two reasons... 1. I don't have ACTION! - so I can't! 2. I'm not sure it's fair to compare any two languages - LOGO is not meant to be fast - It is a very easy language to understand - it's Procedures are clear and I think that even someone who has never used a computer before would be able to - in a very short amount of time - write an intelligent proc... That may well be true in ACTION! too, I don't know. Also, from what I've heard on the SIG, the documentation for ACTION! leaves much to be desired. Whatever reason ANY language was originally written for, to me, is irrevelant it would be pretty boring if everything in this world did exactly what it was intended to do! I'm not "touchy" about LOGO - I just think it's fun - and definitely - if not a language of the future - at least a step in the right direction. Marlene #: 36661 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #Action! 14-Jan-84 13:36:06 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) The problem doesn't actually lie in being able to increment the pointer by 1(or any other value for that matter), what he's looking to do is to have a variable that will contain a number. This number will be the address that needs to be examined. Can you retrieve the contents out of this variable (ADDR for example) and have a pointer (PTR) point to the value contained in ADDR: ie; if ADDR contains $600 can you have PTR point to $600, and then at any time change the value in ADDR (say $1000) and then have PTR point to that address? #: 36703 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36661-#Action! 14-Jan-84 20:39:11 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 (X) Yes. CARD addr BYTE POINTER ptr addr=$600 ptr=addr ptr^=123 addr=$1000 ptr=addr ptr^=234 Without the "^" symbol, a pointer variable is just like a CARD and can be treated as such in most cases. Did I answer the question, finally? [ Russ ] #: 36712 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36703-#Action! 14-Jan-84 21:18:38 Fm: RICHARD BRUDZYNSKI 74035,1550 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) [ Russ ] Don't stop now! This discussion is very helpful! --dick-- #: 36714 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36712-#Action! 14-Jan-84 21:24:39 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: RICHARD BRUDZYNSKI 74035,1550 (X) Fire away with the questions. I'll try to answer what I can. Where the heck IS Clint, anyway? hehehe [ Russ ] #: 36729 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36714-Action! 14-Jan-84 22:06:15 Fm: Clinton Parker 70435,625 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) I'm around. - Clint #: 36726 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36703-Action! 14-Jan-84 21:56:51 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) I don't know! The guy I was asking the question for, Mickey Todd, will no doubt see your reply tonight and let you know. I was going to leave an example of what he wanted to do in FORTH, but I figured it might be as confusing to you as your answer is to me! #: 36732 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36703-#Action! 14-Jan-84 22:10:34 Fm: Clinton Parker 70435,625 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) BTW, try: BYTE POINTER ptr CARD addr=ptr addr=$600 ptr^=123 addr=$1000 ptr^=234 Any takers on what this does? - Clint #: 36736 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36732-Action! 14-Jan-84 22:34:35 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: Clinton Parker 70435,625 (X) That was what I was going to suggest in the beginning, but thought better of it for clarity sake. hehehe [ Russ ] #: 36742 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36703-#Action! 14-Jan-84 23:38:09 Fm: MICKEY TODD 70455,417 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) I'm sorry to have been a pain about this problem -- I just have to shift gears. I have to admit that when I first read your message it still didn't make sense to me but after a few minutes it started sinking in. Let me just make sure tho -- I was under the impression that you had to use the '@' to have the POINTER ptr point to an address. Is this just if you want to point to the address of a variable? From the two examples tt you and Clint left I take it that you can access or point to an address just by setting the POINTER variable equal to the actual address value, or equal to a variable that contains the address with out having to use the '@' as in : ptr=@addr If so, then I have been interpreting the manual incorrectly but anyway, I do want to thank both of you for the help (even if Mr. John doesn't agree that you do offer this type of assistance). #: 36760 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36742-#Action! 15-Jan-84 00:37:39 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: MICKEY TODD 70455,417 (X) It helps me to think of variables as assembly language labels. That is, CARD addr means ADDR DS 2 Again, as I told Steve, I had the same problem with FORTH. "addr" refers to the value at "addr" if it is a common variable. "@addr" refers to the *address* of "addr". Thus if "addr" = $600 then "@addr" is the memory address that holds the $600 value. A POINTER in Action! is merely this construct carried one step further, for clarity's sake. "ptr" is the memory address that holds the value of the pointed-to memory address (whew!) and "ptr^" is the value at the pointed-to address. I think that this whole thing is even confusing me now. hehehe To sum up, a POINTER variable without the "^" construct is for all purposes merely a CARD in meaning. You can point your POINTER variable to an address merely by equating it to a CARD value (as it kinda says in the manual.) Keep plugging away at it. [ Russ Wetmore ] #: 36843 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36760-#Action! 15-Jan-84 13:21:15 Fm: MICKEY TODD 70455,417 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) If you're confussing yourself, just think what I feel like!! hehehehe As Steve mentioned, we were working the problem out in Forth, now that I understand. All I was trying to do was step thru all of the memory locations (as a simple exercise) to find the safe areas in memory (testing the areas shown in Clint's memory map for areas used by the compiler & editor to see if they could safely be used by the program) and this is what we came up with in Forth : HEX 600 VARIABLE ADDR : CHECK.MEM ADDR @ dup FFFF + swap DO ADDR @ dup 2 ! @ 2 = not if leave else 2 ADDR +! then loop ; All this does is steps thru every other memory location and stores a 2 in them, like I said, just a little exercise to go thru memory 'til the computer locks-up. This I understand. I think I just have shift gears out of Forth or try to like you with Assembly and make some corrilations between Action! & Forth. Thanks again for all your assistance, I WILL continue to plug away. #: 36924 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36843-#Action! 15-Jan-84 21:23:45 Fm: Clinton Parker 70435,625 To: MICKEY TODD 70455,417 (X) I could make a comment, but most people already know my feelings about Forth. - Clint #: 36946 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36924-Action! 15-Jan-84 23:33:13 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: Clinton Parker 70435,625 Sure would be nice if someone <hint,hint> would teach an online ACTION! course -- I may be converted yet! BTW, sorry about not answering your buzz -- I was really tied up and you were gone when I was FINALLY thru. How'd your West Coast trip go? #: 36956 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36843-Action! 16-Jan-84 03:06:56 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: MICKEY TODD 70455,417 Okay. A direct translation of the FORTH example you gave is thus: PROC CheckMem() BYTE POINTER ptr=$600 DO ptr^=2 IF ptr^#2 THEN EXIT FI ptr==+2 OD RETURN The CARD variable you suggested isn't even necessary in this instance. When the PROC is exited, ptr will hold the value you seek. Remember my suggestion that a POINTER variable is actually just a CARD in meaning until you add the "^" construct. [ Russ Wetmore ] P.S. Downshifting into FORTH, this is EXACTLY what you did. In FORTH, when you reference a VARIABLE, you are actually using the *address* of the value you seek. Hence the "@" word. A POINTER is the same thing, except you're combining the two ideas (address and fetching a value) into *one* construct, by adding the "^" character. Additionally, you don't need to use the "!" - you just add the "^" character again and put it on the other side of the equals sign. i.e. ADDR @ is the same as ...=addr^ and ADDR 3 ! is the same as addr^=3 and I dare say that if the value assigned is an integer, that the Action! version will be MUCH tighter code-wise and several times faster. (The Action! version compiles to: LDA #3 STA ADDR Don't think it gets any better than that!) #: 36759 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36703-#Action! 15-Jan-84 00:28:15 Fm: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) In reading some of your recent messages, you are begining to sound like an Action! fan. I am really glad to see that after the sales job I did on you!!! #: 36764 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36759-Action! 15-Jan-84 00:47:08 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 (X) I've never denied using it, and certainly have supported it. I'm not grabbing Action! before my BASIC cart, as I stated was my way of determining whether or not it was my "predominant" language, but I am trying to understand it as best I can. I tried skiing for the first time last week in Reno, and after having fallen down *MANY* times I'm convinced that I'm going to keep at it until I learn how to do it. Not that I'm going to reach for a pair of skis before a pair of sneakers, but you get my point. I just don't like bruised brows. hehehe [ Russ ] #: 36741 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #ACTION! Keyboard Handle 14-Jan-84 22:45:32 Fm: John Navas II 72645,1070 To: Clinton Parker 70435,625 (X) Clint, you devil! How the h___ does ACTION! Editor read the keyboard. I'm trying ton interface my Koala driver using the CH RAM location, and ACTION! only picks up a CTRL-SHIFT-key from my driver if I've hit a key already. Save me some detective work and tell me how ACTION! Editor gets its keyboard input! Thanks!!! -John #: 36942 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36741-#ACTION! Keyboard Handle 15-Jan-84 23:02:03 Fm: Clinton Parker 70435,625 To: John Navas II 72645,1070 (X) John, I don't know what you want to do, but except for special codes (such as CTRL-SHIFT) and the Atari key, everything goes through K: on channel 7. Does that answer your question? - Clint #: 36961 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36942-#ACTION! Keyboard Handle 16-Jan-84 13:39:48 Fm: John Navas II 72645,1070 To: Clinton Parker 70435,625 Clint: ARGHHH! I knew I should have left you more information - now I've lost another day. Left me now tell you how my KoalaPad driver works: I've set my KoalaPad up as a special function key matrix. (The driver allows anything up to 7x7.) Each key area corresponds to a function like "cursor to beginning of line" or "break line". (I don't like memorizing ANOTHER set of special function keys - although I appreciate how close you've stayed to the Atari O.S. Editor standards - not every program does.) The driver is a self-relocating program which loads at MEMLO and protects itself by resetting MEMLO. It sets itself up as a System Timer 2 interrupt routine (this avoids conflict with the usual vertical blank interrupt routines), and it usually sets only a 1 count, so it gets called on most vertical blank interrupts. Whenever it gets called, it reads the KoalaPad plugged into joystick port #2 (that's so you can leave your joystick plugged in to port #1!) and, after suitable "debouncing", sees if you've pressed a previously defined function key. If you have, it looks it up in an internal table and copies one or more keyboard character codes into the CH ($2FC) cell whenever the cell is empty (=$FF). This causes the special function KoalaPad press to be read by the keyboard/editor handler as a character string, without interfering with normal keyboard operation. It even works fine for programs that bypass the handlers but depend upon the O.S. keyboard interrupt handler to store the keyboard code in CH. (continued in reply...) #: 36962 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36961-ACTION! Keyboard Handle 16-Jan-84 13:40:50 Fm: John Navas II 72645,1070 To: John Navas II 72645,1070 (X) (continued...) As you may have guessed, my problem with ACTION! Editor is with the CTRL-SHIFT codes (all of my other key sequences work perfectly). IF the last real key pressed was a CTRL-SHIFT, the ACTION! Editor interprets the output of my routine as a CTRL-SHIFT; if not, the keyboard code I store is treated like an ATASCII code (? - just like you'll see if you use them when in the ACTION! Monitor). I guess ACTION! reads hardware register(s) and sets some sort of internal latch, although I don't know why since CTRL-SHIFT codes can be processed from CH without any need to access the hardware. (I've been unable to locate any ACTION! interrupt vectors and/or the "latch".) Since I do want to use my driver to send CTRL-SHIFT characters to the ACTION! Editor, I would appreciate any help you can give me. At the moment I'm stuck! I keep missing you late on the SIG, but I'm still interested in the RTL. Out of desperation I'm SLOWLY writing my own! Thanks! -John #: 36758 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #Action! 15-Jan-84 00:24:16 Fm: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 To: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 (X) Well of course it does, after all that After all taht 4th you can't expect to be able judge what is readable. Now, now, just kidding. #: 36773 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36758-Action! 15-Jan-84 01:16:16 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: HENRY HILLBRATH 70725,1470 (X) hehehee #: 36767 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #Action! 15-Jan-84 01:02:35 Fm: Al Shrock 72155,654 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) Using the example you had in your message, what's wrong with BYTE color2=710 for a declaration, and color2=$40 when you want red? Not very elegant, but it works. #: 36835 Sec. 5 - Beyond BASIC... Sb: #36767-Action! 15-Jan-84 12:40:26 Fm: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 To: Al Shrock 72155,654 Nothing at all. I was just trying to illustrate the POINTER mechanism - of course the method you described is the preferred method when dealing with static values. Supposing, though, that you had a routine that altered a color value dependant on a variable register, as I frequently do in games, then the POINTER scheme could come in handy: BYTE POINTER ptr CARD coladdr coladdr=710 ;Color 2 ptr=coladdr ptr^=8 . . . coladdr=712 ;Color 4 . etc. [ Russ ] #: 36662 Sec. 10 - TALK with the TRADE Sb: 810T 14-Jan-84 13:38:24 Fm: Rich Strecker 71425,1637 To: TOM MANNOS 74375,1676 TOM, I WENT OUT AND HIRED THE ASSASSIN, but for me. I have everything else bootable, especially 2.1 and was able to format and transfer the programs that were on the utilites side. HOWEVER, if finishing reading the manual, I find that I am missing a section. Namely page F-3 to xxx. I.E. the entire F section except for page 1. I would have never noticed except on page F-2 there is a reference to a note on F-3 and I ain't got no such critter. Other than that everything seems to be ok. Just one question, is it normal for the 810T to "quack" (as the book so aptly states) when reading. Mine does about 1/2 way thru a file and then it finishs reading ok. Other than that, no problems so far. Thanks Rich #: 36667 Sec. 0 - the WORLD of ATARI Sb: #DARKWORLD BBS-TORONTO 14-Jan-84 14:53:03 Fm: RICHARD FOSTER 72365,260 To: ALL THERE IS A NEW ATARI ONLY BBS IN TORONTO 1-416-4886569. THATS CORRECT ONLY FOR ATARI COMPUTER OWNERS 1-416-488-6569. IT IS TOTALLY AWESOME. COME AND ENJOY.....BUT WATCH OUT FOR THE WIZARD!!!!! THE DARKLORD #: 36670 Sec. 0 - the WORLD of ATARI Sb: #36667-#DARKWORLD BBS-TORONTO 14-Jan-84 15:00:38 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: RICHARD FOSTER 72365,260 (X) A Toronto Atari BBS. Just what the Doctor ordered. Looking forward. (Michael of the Beaches) #: 36832 Sec. 0 - the WORLD of ATARI Sb: #36670-#DARKWORLD BBS-TORONTO 15-Jan-84 12:32:56 Fm: RICHARD FOSTER 72365,260 To: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 (X) MICHAEL WHERE ARE YOU? YOU AREARE INVITED TO CALL, I WILL BE AROUND TODAY, AND WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.. THANK YOU 488-6569.* /Z #: 36878 Sec. 0 - the WORLD of ATARI Sb: #36832-DARKWORLD BBS-TORONTO 15-Jan-84 16:47:08 Fm: SYSOP*Michael Reichmann 74015,1534 To: RICHARD FOSTER 72365,260 I'm in Toronto and tried your BBS a couple of times yesterday but found the number wasn't answered. What are the hours? I'll try it again soon. Best of luck. #: 36668 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: DARKWORLD BBS 14-Jan-84 14:54:47 Fm: RICHARD FOSTER 72365,260 To: ALL ATARI OWNERS NEW BBS PLEASE ENTER THIS NUMBER IN YOUR LIST OF BBS. THANK YOU--1-416-488-6569** #: 36672 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #835 MODEM SOFTWARE 14-Jan-84 15:11:35 Fm: DAVID 72436,2247 To: ALL I AM SEEKING 835 MODEM SOFTWARE THAT ALLOWS DOWNLOADING OF FILES TO DISK. I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYHELPFUL INFORMATION. #: 36675 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #36672-835 MODEM SOFTWARE 14-Jan-84 15:37:45 Fm: SYSOP*Greg Leslie 71565,235 To: DAVID 72436,2247 In our XA2 there are a series of files that make up a terminal program called TSCOPE that allows 835 modem owners (and others) to download files from Compuserve. If interested in a disk, contact SIG member Dan Hamilton. Send him a disk and he will return it with TSCOPE and DOC files. His address is 47 Clear Brook Rd., West Yarmouth, MA 02673. SYSOP*Greg Leslie #: 36689 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: #36672-835 MODEM SOFTWARE 14-Jan-84 17:42:32 Fm: SYSOP*Greg Leslie 71565,235 To: DAVID 72436,2247 (by the way -- SIG policy requires the use of full names for members. Please use the OP and CN commands to comply with this at your earliest convenience.) Thanks! #: 36674 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: 835 14-Jan-84 15:34:52 Fm: FRANK KONRAD 73725,1201 To: T DOES ANYONE HAVE THE 835 MODEM WITH THE TELELINK II CARTRIDGE WHEN I BOUGHT THE PACKAGE IT CAME WITHOUT A USER MANUAL I NEED SOME HELP:1- HOW TO STORE INFO 2- HOW TO START PRINTER WHEN ON-LINE 3- EXPLANATION OF ALL OPTIONS. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED! THANKS #: 36982 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: 835 16-Jan-84 16:43:15 Fm: FRANK KONRAD 73725,1201 To: SYSOP*Russ Wetmore 72435,1234 (X) THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY! THE STORE I BOUGHT I T FROM IS PRONTO HOME BANKING BY CHEMICAL BANK IN NYC - THEY CAN'T HELP ME ATARI'S 800 LINE IS ALWAYS BUSY, I WROTE AWAY FOR A MANUAL WILL LOOK INTO INFO YOU RECOMMENDED. THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND TIME ON THE SYSTEM. I'M STUGGLING! THANKS AGAIN . #: 36986 Sec. 2 - TELECOMMUNICATING Sb: 835 16-Jan-84 16:52:03 Fm: FRANK KONRAD 73725,1201 To: ANTON DECHERING 73725,1756 ANTON, THANKS FOR YOUR PROMPT RESPONSE THIS IS ONLY MY SECOND TIME ON THE SYSTEM I'M STILL STRUGGLING A BIT - WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY GET TSCOPE 2? THANKS AGAIN FRANK #: 36678 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #EXPANSION BOX 14-Jan-84 16:19:49 Fm: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 To: ANYONE WILL THE 600XL HAVE ACCESS TO THE EXPANSION BOX WHEN IT COMES OUT? THANKS! #: 36718 Sec. 4 - ASK THE SYSOP Sb: #36678-EXPANSION BOX 14-Jan-84 21:30:07 Fm: SYSOP*Steve Ahlstrom 70001,1276 To: H.D. JOHNSON 70003,362 (X) The 600XL does have the parallel bus that the expansion box will plug into. So, when the box finally comes out <3rd quarter?> you'll have plenty of potential for expansion. #: 36680 Sec. 1 - "THE" GAME MACHINE Sb: #850 14-Jan-84 16:35:36 Fm: DR. EARL GAAR 73655,332 To: ALL DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE AN 850 INTERFACE FOR THE 800 CAN BE PURCHASED ? IF SO, DO LET ME KNOW. #: 36797 Sec. 1 - "THE" GAME MACHINE Sb: #36680-850 15-Jan-84 07:37:19 Fm: ROBERT CHU 72705,1564 To: DR. EARL GAAR 73655,332 (X) What part of the country do you live in? I'm around the Chicago area and a store I visited on this past Thursday had two(2!) of the precious little 850's. The name of the place was Software City and is located in Arlington Heights, I believe. If you'd like more info leave a msg. Bob. #: 36681 Sec. 10 - TALK with the TRADE Sb: #850 INTERFACE 14-Jan-84 16:42:07 Fm: DR. EARL GAAR 73655,332 To: ALL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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