classics Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Anyone? (And its not the black X's, I put those there to mark them DOA) Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 (edited) They all have identical serial information (as if manufactured at the same time, at the same facility), yet they all look different (notches and circles in the chips are not the same). Obviously bogus. This has been going on for a while, apparently. http://kevtris.org/Projects/sid/remarked_sids.html Edited February 10, 2008 by PingvinBlueJeans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classics Posted February 10, 2008 Author Share Posted February 10, 2008 Bingo. I purchased a large lot of 6502s from what I thought was someone with a good reputation in the community and it looks like they are all remarked parts. I think the guy knows what hes doing since he has refused to talk about it and is still selling them on his web site. So just a warning to anyone buying 6502s, it looks like there is a large supply of remarked fake chips being sold. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 So just a warning to anyone buying 6502s, it looks like there is a large supply of remarked fake chips being sold. This seems to be the latest scam going...I wish you'd indentify the scammer in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classics Posted February 10, 2008 Author Share Posted February 10, 2008 I'm giving him a few more days and a last chance to own up, then I will post the information. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmosiss Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I was gonna say bad lightning :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Wow, how interesting... different mold indentations, different keys, different pin 1 dots... different chips all together... Someone on Classic Computing was just commenting about a lot of supposed new old stock SID chips which all turned out to be repainting and rebadged as new, but were all damaged/improperly working Tawain version SIDs... Who is the seller? I think we should all know and be wary. Curt Anyone? (And its not the black X's, I put those there to mark them DOA) Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Wow, that's crazy, I just read the remarked SID chips. I can't believe there's such a large market for these things that someone would go through the trouble to rebadge them and even bend out and tin the leads so they look like new! Insane. Sucks that you got taken in by this scam, please do post the seller's info. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodos8 Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I've never seen a 6502 with those marking. The ones I've seen were always made by MOS and had a mo/year stamp on them. I've never seen a 'rockwell' version. They've always worked too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unplugged Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I got the same 6502's from Arcadechips.com and out of about 40 pcs I've had only 1 or 2 bad ones. I never noticed the differences on the chips themselves until I just looked at them. The information on my chips are all the same (but different than the ones in the picture) and the chip markings (circles, notches) are different too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercat Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 I can't believe there's such a large market for these things that someone would go through the trouble to rebadge them and even bend out and tin the leads so they look like new! Insane. More to the point, if there is sufficient market for such things to justify engineering and producing new reproduction chips, why not sell the newly-manufactured chips as what they are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Wow, that's crazy, I just read the remarked SID chips. I can't believe there's such a large market for these things that someone would go through the trouble to rebadge them and even bend out and tin the leads so they look like new! Insane. It really is crazy that someone would concoct a scheme in such a niche, let alone carry through with it. I've never seen a 'rockwell' version. I have at least three here that have the Rockwell logo on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Wow, that's crazy, I just read the remarked SID chips. I can't believe there's such a large market for these things that someone would go through the trouble to rebadge them and even bend out and tin the leads so they look like new! Insane. It really is crazy that someone would concoct a scheme in such a niche, let alone carry through with it. Arcade's are hardly a niche-market. http://www.arcadechips.com/product_info.ph...a059a355a0be0c3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Wow, that's crazy, I just read the remarked SID chips. I can't believe there's such a large market for these things that someone would go through the trouble to rebadge them and even bend out and tin the leads so they look like new! Insane. It really is crazy that someone would concoct a scheme in such a niche, let alone carry through with it. Arcade's are hardly a niche-market. http://www.arcadechips.com/product_info.ph...a059a355a0be0c3 Well, I was talking about the SID chips. Obviously the 6502s have a much wider range of applications so I could definitely see why someone would rebadge those. Aren't there NEW 6502 chips still available? Or not in that particular package? ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Well, I was talking about the SID chips. Same here, I figure there would be more 6502 demand than SID. I hear there are a lot of crazy retro people out there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercat Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Arcade's are hardly a niche-market. But if one is making new chips, why not sell them as such? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Arcade's are hardly a niche-market. But if one is making new chips, why not sell them as such? Well, this sounds like someone botched up a SID repro run and figured "Let's remark them as 6502's and sell them to the arcade freaks.". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmel_andrews Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 Seeming as though there's still a heck of a lot of C64's out there there's alway's going to be a market for replacing SID's...not forgetting the c64 version/equivalent of 'Stereo Pokey/Dual pokey' but using SID's If mem. recalls CBM did various versions of SID for the 64 and 128 and later commodore eightbitters, not forgetting the super sid that cbm did (for the c65) which was basically 2 sid's in one package (aka 'Stereo SID') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classics Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 I got the same 6502's from Arcadechips.com and out of about 40 pcs I've had only 1 or 2 bad ones. I never noticed the differences on the chips themselves until I just looked at them. The information on my chips are all the same (but different than the ones in the picture) and the chip markings (circles, notches) are different too. I really hate to name the guy but he appears to have no intention of making good. The seller in question is Mark Capps @ arcadechips. I'm out a little under $300 over this so far. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downix Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Why not just buy brand new 6502's rather than risk used units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Psionic Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Why not just buy brand new 6502's rather than risk used units? Huh? People are trying to buy new...the SIDs and 6502s in question are remarked old (defective) chips being sold as NOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downix Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Why not just buy brand new 6502's rather than risk used units? Huh? People are trying to buy new...the SIDs and 6502s in question are remarked old (defective) chips being sold as NOS. Ah, understood. (SID's are a pain, hence why I ripped out the SID code from the Commodore ONE to go into a CPLD for my own use) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari8warez Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) I got the same 6502's from Arcadechips.com and out of about 40 pcs I've had only 1 or 2 bad ones. I never noticed the differences on the chips themselves until I just looked at them. The information on my chips are all the same (but different than the ones in the picture) and the chip markings (circles, notches) are different too. I really hate to name the guy but he appears to have no intention of making good. The seller in question is Mark Capps @ arcadechips. I'm out a little under $300 over this so far. Steve The guy does not provide any kind of information about himself or his business on the website (no phone#, no email, no address etc). Did you happen to know him before the purchase, or did the lack of info just escaped your attention. I would personally not shop at a website that doesn't provide contact info. Edited February 20, 2008 by atari8warez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classics Posted April 4, 2008 Author Share Posted April 4, 2008 Just a follow-up warning, the guy is selling 6532 RIOT chips with the same suspect markings, so steer clear. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osbo Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 that sucks! can't you get your money back with PayPal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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