nofrills100 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320546716267 $99.99 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 320546707582 $99.99 "Atari 2600 Game The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (No. 008)" "Cartridge is in good condition. This is a Very RARE game for Atari 2600. By Wizard Video Games" It's one thing innocently not knowing what a hozer cart is when you list it... but this guy has clearly a knowledge of atari games given the amount that he sells, and the pricing of his other items. no mention of Hozer - this is just not right!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technicaltoast Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I wonder if some people suffer from Hozer Blindness...you know how some people are color blind and can't see certain colors...maybe those that are Hozer blind can't see the annoying face on the cart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Anyone who can't see that shitty inkjet label with washed-out colors for what it really is deserves to buy a shit Hozer cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I wonder if some people suffer from Hozer Blindness...you know how some people are color blind and can't see certain colors...maybe those that are Hozer blind can't see the annoying face on the cart? I bet a lot of people don't know what that face is. Looks like an insane guy masturbating to penguin porn. Besides a few people around here who pay attention to this kind of info, who even knows that Hozer exists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Snyder Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 It seems to me that a better marketing strategy would've been to state up front, "Hey, these are reproductions of rare and expensive games that that I myself have made" - and then to have sold them at as such at a mere fraction of the cost of the genuine articles (minus labor and materials, of course). Sure, you might earn more money in the short term by deceiving others - but by burning what otherwise could've been a legitimate base of steady customers, this 'Hozer' entity has instead shot themselves in the foot. I mean, I wouldn't mind paying a fair price for a reproduction if the original was well beyond my gaming budget, and I knew that I'd never be able to play it otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I mean, I wouldn't mind paying a fair price for a reproduction if the original was well beyond my gaming budget, and I knew that I'd never be able to play it otherwise... But not more than $10. It's a lucky thing he's still printing these stupid little heads on the labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpendTooMuchOnAtari Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 I mean, I wouldn't mind paying a fair price for a reproduction if the original was well beyond my gaming budget, and I knew that I'd never be able to play it otherwise... But not more than $10. It's a lucky thing he's still printing these stupid little heads on the labels. Yeah, and what if the little heads mysteriously start disappearing, then what? This doesn't sound good for the hobby at all. Kind of scary really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kheffington Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 That seller is a jerk period. Take a look at the negative feedback and his responses to it. So why would anyone deal with a seller on eBay with that kind of feedback regardless of what he is selling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 That seller is a jerk period. Take a look at the negative feedback and his responses to it. So why would anyone deal with a seller on eBay with that kind of feedback regardless of what he is selling? This will help: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=randsgaming&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted June 12, 2010 Author Share Posted June 12, 2010 (edited) That seller is a jerk period. Take a look at the negative feedback and his responses to it. So why would anyone deal with a seller on eBay with that kind of feedback regardless of what he is selling? This will help: http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=randsgaming&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home ..Al I particularly like this one: !!BEWARE!! NO game disc and NO instructions! NO communication! Refused refund! Buyer: 23shoefinder ( 258) Mar-22-10 19:19 Reply by randsgaming (Mar-23-10 00:20): why would you buy a game for 30 &open to play when you could buy 1 for 10 FRAUD ◦Follow-up by 23shoefinder (Apr-05-10 13:04): Why would you sell a game without instructions or game disc?! Shady business!!!! FACTORY SEALED PLAYSTATION GAME WARHAWK SONY PS1 RARE > (#220479639504) US $30.00 View Item So he was trying to sell something off as factory sealed - hoping the person who bought it would not want to open it - and discover that he had resealed an empty box.... nice try! Edited June 12, 2010 by nofrills100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpendTooMuchOnAtari Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 So he was trying to sell something off as factory sealed - hoping the person who bought it would not want to open it - and discover that he had resealed an empty box.... nice try! Sounds like fraud to me brothers and sisters. I don't see how these kind of people live with themselves, that's exceptionally dirty! I'm not much into all the Karma and all that but something might come back and bite their ass for pulliing this garbage. F them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Yeah, and what if the little heads mysteriously start disappearing, then what? This doesn't sound good for the hobby at all. Kind of scary really. Have you ever seen a Hozer label up close? Not much mistaking that for the real thing..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmel_andrews Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 There is no love for hozer then.... Weird that ebay allow repro's to be sold on it's service yet it won't allow copied or pirated software to be sold (not that there's any difference ofcourse) Since repro's are technically (and legally) copied or pirated software (unless you have permission from the original rights holder to reproduce the program) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mos6507 Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Weird that ebay allow repro's to be sold on it's service yet it won't allow copied or pirated software to be sold (not that there's any difference ofcourse) Since repro's are technically (and legally) copied or pirated software (unless you have permission from the original rights holder to reproduce the program) If anybody wants to flag repros as pirates on ebay, be my guest. It's ultimately eBay's responsibility to police that. The morality of piracy is a hoary topic that probably doesn't deserve to be discussed yet again. The distinction that I see is that Randy is making these carts himself. Other people are re-selling reproduction prototypes that were originally sold at old CGE conventions. They aren't being made anymore and therefore there are only a small fixed number in collector hands. So they are a more genuine rarity. Randy is in control of supply and demand so there is no scarcity. It probably costs him less than $10 to make each of these. Offering these at a $99 buy-it-now is an exorbitant markup. No repro was ever sold direct from CGE for close that price, and they all had better packaging than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Yeah, and what if the little heads mysteriously start disappearing, then what? This doesn't sound good for the hobby at all. Kind of scary really. Have you ever seen a Hozer label up close? Not much mistaking that for the real thing..! Provided you get the chance to see it up close. In most cases you're looking at a crappy E-Bay picture, made with a cellphone while standing in a monsoon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kripto Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 It's only his ego which keeps Hozer putting those drooling heads of the mentally-challenged on every cart. I would be a lot more likely to buy one if they didn't sport that horrid mark, though that wouldn't be good for used game market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SekOner Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Wow i really hate this kind of thing. Its really bad for eBay but far worse for the retro gaming hobby by far. Looking at all his feedback is appalling, this guy is a GENUINE SCAMMER. I dont want to sound over dramatic but this is not acceptable, i can't believe that eBay would allow someone with over 30+ negative (sometimes clearly fradulent transactions) to continue operating. I think we should ALL band together and take this dude down. but if we all flag his auction AND report this to eBay then he'll go down. Yes he can just start a new account. but having to start over he'll start at 0 feedback and im sure more negative feedback from his new ripoffs will (hopefully) get him shutdown again and we can rid the community of these kind of people. This is just my opinion but with more people like this, this will seriously start to hurt our community. Since people will see that if this guy can get away with it and profit so can i. If i'm the only one trying to rid this guy then no ones going to hear me, but if we all speak out against this kind of thing together it'll work. I know i sound melodramatic but this kind of thing REALLY gets to me. I'm new to AtariAge but i've been gaming all my life and dealing with these kind of people has always been a problem. I'm going to go play some Atari and cool down, with all that Atari goodness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kheffington Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Yes this guy is a complete jerk and a scam artist and from the looks of the feedback has even gone as far as fraud. Simply reporting him to eBay will not change this though. eBay does not give a damn as long as he is making money for eBay. The buyers he pulled the scams on could have gotten eBay's attention by filing "item not as described" complaints, just leaving neg feedback does not remove money from his or eBay's pockets. Only if eBay has to recover the money and cancel the fees it collected does it matter to them. The main issue still remains that buyers are bidding on and paying for his stuff without even looking at his feedback and the lovely responses he makes when there is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetset Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 I posted about this about two weeks ago. http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/163811-i-think-there-needs-to-be-a-warning-thread/page__fromsearch__1 The thread had a few good posts (and a few assenine ones), but largely went ignored. At any rate, I really wish there were more of an effort to put a stop to this, but not everyone gives a crap. Pretty soon, we'll be seeing fakes as authentic without the Hozer logo, and nobody but a few of the real pros here will notice the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Weis Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Now he's gone off the deep end and is out and out taking advantage and it's wrong. At any rate, I really wish there were more of an effort to put a stop to this, but not everyone gives a crap. Pretty soon, he'll be selling fakes as authentic without the Hozer logo, and nobody but a few of the real pros here will notice the difference. Randy lives in California now? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetset Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 ...nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JingleJoe Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 So he was trying to sell something off as factory sealed - hoping the person who bought it would not want to open it - and discover that he had resealed an empty box.... nice try! Sounds like fraud to me brothers and sisters. I don't see how these kind of people live with themselves, that's exceptionally dirty! I'm not much into all the Karma and all that but something might come back and bite their ass for pulliing this garbage. F them. Karma is kinda not real, but negative feedback is ebay feedback = karma? Hey someone buy something cheap from him and get the return address for me, I want to mail him a flask of gravy, really old gravy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofrills100 Posted June 18, 2010 Author Share Posted June 18, 2010 Perhaps ebayers who blatantly and knowingly sell repros under the guise of 'rare' or 'genuine' should be added to the bad trader list... do you think this guy deserves to be added? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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