+wood_jl Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Craigslist: free stuff! great-working 1702! I didn't have to pay shipping! Yeaaaa! I haven't seen an Atari chroma/luma cable for a long time. Any thoughts on where to source? I don't see them for the C64, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 They come up on eBay occasionally... some people homebrew them. I scored a factory made one not long ago from a YMCA shop... but I doubt that any factory types have been made for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classics Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 http://www.8bitclassics.com/TI-99/Peripherals/5-Pin-DIN-to-S-Video-RCA-AV-Cable-6-Ft-New.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 1, 2010 Author Share Posted September 1, 2010 http://www.8bitclassics.com/TI-99/Peripherals/5-Pin-DIN-to-S-Video-RCA-AV-Cable-6-Ft-New.html Hello classics! That's a great cable, and I have 'em! However, they're not the split chroma/luma cable. It's a combination composite and S-video cable. The RCA plugs carry composite, and audio L/R (it's mono, but it's a nice solution for piping the audio to both speakers). What would make the 1702 more useful overall - is an adapter with a female S-video (4-pin?) plug that breaks out into the chroma/luma. Then the 1702 could be used with standard S-video cable devices, game consoles, etc....not to mention the Atari with this S-video cable. Unfortunately, I think scoring this hypothetical adapter is more rare than the old Atari chroma/luma cable. Anybody have one lying around? Seems like Albert was looking some months ago and I thought there was an implication that he had found some? one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGQuarterly Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Just make one. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkanoid_376970 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Just make one. know where to find instructions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classics Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Oops my fault, I thought the other connections were chroma/luma for some reason. You might try e-mailing Cory @ 8bitclassics anyway. I believe he makes those, so he may be able to just connect the RCA plugs to the chroma/luma pins for you instead. Steve http://www.8bitclassics.com/TI-99/Peripherals/5-Pin-DIN-to-S-Video-RCA-AV-Cable-6-Ft-New.html Hello classics! That's a great cable, and I have 'em! However, they're not the split chroma/luma cable. It's a combination composite and S-video cable. The RCA plugs carry composite, and audio L/R (it's mono, but it's a nice solution for piping the audio to both speakers). What would make the 1702 more useful overall - is an adapter with a female S-video (4-pin?) plug that breaks out into the chroma/luma. Then the 1702 could be used with standard S-video cable devices, game consoles, etc....not to mention the Atari with this S-video cable. Unfortunately, I think scoring this hypothetical adapter is more rare than the old Atari chroma/luma cable. Anybody have one lying around? Seems like Albert was looking some months ago and I thought there was an implication that he had found some? one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Just make one. know where to find instructions? http://www.wolfpup.net/atarimods/svideo.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 5-pin DIN plug to 4-RCA plug cables are fairly common. When Atari selected the 5-pin DIN for AV I/O they put ground on pin 2, which made the ports compatible with stereo I/O cables used with some tape decks and amplifiers at that time. This means these cables are available from many electronic and stereo stores. It is also available from B&C Computervisions. CAA005 Cable Monitor Color 4-RCA 14.95 5-pin din to RCA And from RP Electronics for those of us in Canada. These cables pass the output of pins 1(luma),3(audio),4(composite),5(chroma) to the 4-RCA plugs. Cables from the 5-pin DIN plug to s-video(4-pin mini-DIN) are uncommon, and only available from a few suppliers like 8-Bit Classics mentioned already. Bill Craigslist: free stuff! great-working 1702! I didn't have to pay shipping! Yeaaaa! I haven't seen an Atari chroma/luma cable for a long time. Any thoughts on where to source? I don't see them for the C64, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I recently found a website for a Commodore club in the US who had a bunch of stuff available cheap including monitor cables. I don't remember the URL, but if you can find it, ask for the 4-plug version of the cable. (Looked back through my email and I think this was the site: http://65.111.241.171/sale/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkanoid_376970 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 thanks guys... i'll send off a few emails and see if i can buy one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 11, 2010 Author Share Posted September 11, 2010 (edited) I recently found a website for a Commodore club in the US who had a bunch of stuff available cheap including monitor cables. I don't remember the URL, but if you can find it, ask for the 4-plug version of the cable. (Looked back through my email and I think this was the site: http://65.111.241.171/sale/) Hmmmm, that link doesn't work. However, someone was discussing the Sega Genesis cable here (one of the other forums here; I closed the window and now forgot) and someone was suggesting this cable: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 250483238108 I wonder what are the chances that the chroma/luma/composite/audio would be carried on those RCAs? There are 5 pins on the plug - so I wonder which pin is neglected? This was an audio cable (according to description) for older reel-to-reel tape recorder-to-amplifier connection. By chance, would any of you more enlightened eight-bitters have experience with trying this cable? The free shipping is what's enticing, over placing a B&C order, which it may come to. edit: it was this thread, where someone was hoping to get stereo output from the model-1 Sega Genesis, which I believe has a similar (??? never had one myself) video port to our beloved 8-bitters) http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/169149-sega-genesis-stereo-av-cable/page__pid__2092231#entry2092231 Edited September 11, 2010 by wood_jl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almost Rice Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 I wonder what are the chances that the chroma/luma/composite/audio would be carried on those RCAs? There are 5 pins on the plug - so I wonder which pin is neglected? The 5th pin is probably ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNerd Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Hmmmm, this company seems to sell ready-made S-Video to RCA cables. http://www.cablesnmor.com/s-video-rca-adapters.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I just make my own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 12, 2010 Author Share Posted September 12, 2010 Hmmmm, this company seems to sell ready-made S-Video to RCA cables. http://www.cablesnmor.com/s-video-rca-adapters.aspx Interesting..... This cable.... http://www.cablesnmor.com/w17506.aspx ......would be helpful! The point here is hanging a standard S-video jack off the back of your 1702, making it eminently more useful (DVD/game console, etc) and of course plugging into the S-video cable (previously mentioned in the thread) from 8bit classics (a fine cable, btw). You'd need the S-video coupler..... http://www.cablesnmor.com/s-video-coupler.aspx ....since the gender is wrong to plug in an existing S-video cable from your Atari (or DVD or game console). Too bad it's 6-feet long and with the wrong gender. Sure would be nice to have a 3-inch long "S-video female to 2 RCA male breakout adapter." If these were available, I'd bet lots of 1702 users would be interested. There I go again, overestimating the numbers of retro-enthusiasts. The average man on the street would laugh at all of this. Here's a couple of "close but not quite" Ebay listings.....wrong S-video gender and breaks out to BNC instead of RCA eBay Auction -- Item Number: 390178131505 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 160472189612 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 260654364400 [this one doesn't say how long the cable is] I guess you could use any of these, in combination with an S-video female-to-female coupler, and then a couple of these BNC male to RCA male adapters: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 180555227087 ....have to buy 10 and wait for them from Shenzen, China! and finally in the "close but no cigar" there's a S-video male to male threaded coax: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 390177875312 ........and then you'd still have to have the S-video coupler, and some threaded-coax to RCA adapters and all the additional cable length....BLAH! I just make my own This is looking like the only option. Too bad I totally SUCK at soldering. I can solder a wire to a solder pad, and I can solder 2 wires together. THAT'S IT. When i try to solder a plug to a wire I end up melting things, and it never sticks. I know it's because I suck, but in essence I guess I can't make my own cables. Any brave (who actually know how to solder) takers to make and sell some short S-video female to 2 RCA male cables? Here is EXACTLY what's desired, with one female S-video to 2 RCA male. Wish these were for sale!!! and this info comes from this page: http://www.users.on.net/~colej/MrGrumpy/svhs.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 12, 2010 Author Share Posted September 12, 2010 http://www.8bitclassics.com/TI-99/Peripherals/5-Pin-DIN-to-S-Video-RCA-AV-Cable-6-Ft-New.html Those cables are so nice, I just ordered a couple more. I highly recommend them for S-video and composite connections. Evidently, there is no interference through the cable piping regular composite and Y/C on the same cable; it all looks great! One thing that might be an inaccuracy on the 8-bit classics website is that they have this same cable listed under "Commodore 64 peripherals" and as you know, the C64 (most of them, the later ones, the ones with Y/C output) have an 8-pin monitor jack, so I doubt this cable would work for that computer. The previous order I made from 8-bit classics was excellent! The guy has great cables, and the service is top-notch. I find the prices to be reasonable, the quality to be great, and even the shipping was absolutely reasonable and not rip-off shipping like most sites. Bravo to them! I think he's sold out of the above A8 s-video cable as of this moment (I took the last 2), but if you check back (or hit "notify") you can get one later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariNerd Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Hmmmm, this company seems to sell ready-made S-Video to RCA cables. http://www.cablesnmo...a-adapters.aspx Interesting..... This cable.... http://www.cablesnmor.com/w17506.aspx ......would be helpful! The point here is hanging a standard S-video jack off the back of your 1702, making it eminently more useful (DVD/game console, etc) and of course plugging into the S-video cable (previously mentioned in the thread) from 8bit classics (a fine cable, btw). You'd need the S-video coupler..... http://www.cablesnmo...eo-coupler.aspx ....since the gender is wrong to plug in an existing S-video cable from your Atari (or DVD or game console). Too bad it's 6-feet long and with the wrong gender. Sure would be nice to have a 3-inch long "S-video female to 2 RCA male breakout adapter." If these were available, I'd bet lots of 1702 users would be interested. There I go again, overestimating the numbers of retro-enthusiasts. The average man on the street would laugh at all of this. But at least, technically, it would work with the cable mentioned earlier as well as making a s-video cable adaptable for use on the 1702, etc, though not in the desired form-factor and with a few caveats (gender adapter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) I'm such a boob! I don't know why I can spend tons of time, combing over EBAY for a certain thing, thinking I've mastered the search system, find things that are close but not right..... and then after I give up, I stumble on what I was looking for (or close enough). Here's what you need to hook any existing S-video cable (like an S-video-cabled 130XE) to the good ol' 1702: (I think). $2.99 plus $3.45 shipping = $6.44 eBay Auction -- Item Number: 160480529165 Coming from Hong Kong so gonna be on the slow boat. Only seller that has them (unless my search inadequacies still prevail) and only need a female-female S-video coupler! $2.50 shipping on each additional unit. $2.33 with free shipping. eBay Auction -- Item Number: 140417416173 $6.44 + $2.33 = $8.77 Not free, but would sure make my free 1702 more useful. edit: I'm going to splurge on the S-video couplers, and get the "gold" ones; they look a little better for the 36-cents: eBay Auction -- Item Number: 160478199998 Edited September 14, 2010 by wood_jl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fres Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Looks good. An off the shelf svideo input for c= monitors. Let us know how it works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Not exactly a cheap solution, but the AV BOB provides a nice breakout for the Atari monitor port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Last time I was at Active Electronics in Toronto (the electronics and other surplus place with the gorilla at the door) there was at least one bin full of these, for about $5 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Not exactly a cheap solution, but the AV BOB provides a nice breakout for the Atari monitor port. Not cheap, but thanks for pointing to it - quite interesting! All this cool stuff I never knew about..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 There is also a Monitor Port Extender solution designed by MetalGuy66. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classics Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 http://www.8bitclassics.com/TI-99/Peripherals/5-Pin-DIN-to-S-Video-RCA-AV-Cable-6-Ft-New.html Those cables are so nice, I just ordered a couple more. I highly recommend them for S-video and composite connections. Evidently, there is no interference through the cable piping regular composite and Y/C on the same cable; it all looks great! Any chance you can post a couple pictures of these s-video cables? Are the cables on the Atari end pretty solidly attached? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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