Trebor Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Are the SMS sprites doable on the 7800, or would that require the total rewrite of the game? Rewrite...It's the same height issue as trying to incorporate Marco's sprite(s) throughout the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Are the SMS sprites doable on the 7800, or would that require the total rewrite of the game? No, the SMS has a much higher horizontal resolution than the 7800 (256 pixels compared to 160). For the 7800 to beat that, it would need to run in 320 mode and then you sacrifice more color. The SMS can display more colors per sprite than the NES but the 7800 can match it with the much lower resolution (default for both the NES and 7800 is 3 colors per sprite... again, the 7800 can do more). I don't have time to get into technical details, but our 7800 cannot match the SMS in that type of graphics. The 7800's 320 mode is a higher resolution than either the SMS or the NES which works great for some of the early arcade ports, but I don't think we'd want to play a game like Double Dragon in that mode. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Sorry, Lynxpro...I misinterpreted your question. I didn't consider a 1:1 sprite translation is what you were looking for. Rather, the thought of transitioning the SMS sprites for the 7800's resolution; trying to match their appearance as best as possible, having the same height but less detail. Kevin explained the issue with a 1:1 SMS to 7800 conversion nice and succinctly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 How about double dragon 320xm in monochrome? Kinda gameboy like.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 For fun, here is a comparison of an arcade sprite with the NES, SMS, SMS (edit), 7800 (Marco edit), 7800 (my edit), and 7800 original. DD Sprite Compare.png And if anyone wants to patch their Master System ROM with my sprite tweak, here is an ips. ... Double Dragon -SMS (Spite Tweak).ips.zip Thanks for the comparison and the IPS patch for the SMS version...Very cool, Kevin! Something may have occurred when transposing "7800 Marco", or perhaps it's an older model (?) The most recent model posted shows the character at the same height as the other 8 bit contemporaries, considerably larger than the original template: MarcoDD1.PNG Great work, Kevin and thanks, Robert. Kevin refers to my 'little' sprite that I have derived quickly from my 'highest' sprite (which is a conversion from NES to 7800). Honestly, I do not like that 'little' sprite (initially, I did not want to share it), I would have preferred to draw it from scratch but I was too distracted to think about some sprites in 160B mode... I have updated that 'little' sprite now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Something like this wouldn't need the yet to be released XM. CPUWIZ has PCB's that could handle this all day long with Pokey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Are the SMS sprites doable on the 7800, or would that require the total rewrite of the game? Sorry, Lynxpro...I misinterpreted your question. I didn't consider a 1:1 sprite translation is what you were looking for. Rather, the thought of transitioning the SMS sprites for the 7800's resolution; trying to match their appearance as best as possible, having the same height but less detail. Kevin explained the issue with a 1:1 SMS to 7800 conversion nice and succinctly. ... or in other words : 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I would just add that, some time ago, I have devoted a couple of weekends to this screen (background in 160B 12 colors). I'm assuming that with only 120 (of 160) pixels perhaps there is sufficient MARIA time even for some sprites. I still have to refine some details. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Excuse me while I pick up my jaw... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy2600 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I wonder if I should do a label art for Double Dragon>_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy2600 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Just wanted to do a updated label art using Fist Of The North Star for idea on the label art on Double Dragon. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DracIsBack Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Wow - all this artwork is amazingly good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy2600 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Thanks should be done by today or Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I like the SMS version (especially with FM sound), but Billy/Jimmy's heads always bothered me even though they are very similar to the NES version, which didn't bother me. Kevin, here just an alternative for Billy/Jimmy's head. Quick lunch break today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorclu Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 DD Sprite Compare v2.PNG Be curious to see how the Lynx sprite compares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Be curious to see how the Lynx sprite compares. The Lynx and Mega Drive sprites are almost Arcade perfect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy2600 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Im almost done inking the label art but I also added more thugs on the bottom for more poster like look, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Kevin, here just an alternative for Billy/Jimmy's head. Quick lunch break today. DD Sprite Compare v3.PNG That looks remarkably close to the update I did. I would say "great minds think alike" but that might be giving myself too much credit. I also changed the brown outlines on the characters to black. I think I like it, but I'll have to wait another 10 days when I'm home to try it out on my TV. Here's the ips file to patch your Master System ROM. Both the black and brown versions are included. Double Dragon SMS (Sprite-Color Hacks).ips.zip Im almost done inking the label art but I also added more thugs on the bottom for more poster like look, That's looking really good! Edited October 2, 2015 by KevinMos3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMos3 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Probably the final edit to this. The shading of the white boots, shirt, and wrist bands is now gray instead of the flesh tone. I don't know why gray wasn't used in the first place, but now it is. Brown option and black option included in zip. Double Dragon SMS (Sprite-Color Hacks)v2.ips.zip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DracIsBack Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 I wish you guys were on the case when this game was made many years ago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YANDMAN Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 This is crazy talk. It looks great, especially for the 7800. I love KEvin's hacks/reworking of all these 7800 games. But SMS Double Dragon is almost Arcade perfect, graphically. uh no it isnt at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Kevin, here just an alternative for Billy/Jimmy's head. Quick lunch break today. DD Sprite Compare v3.PNG That looks remarkably close to the update I did. I would say "great minds think alike" but that might be giving myself too much credit. LOL ...edit : "Kevin, here just an alternative for your Billy/Jimmy's head." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender_2600 Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Probably the final edit to this. The shading of the white boots, shirt, and wrist bands is now gray instead of the flesh tone. I don't know why gray wasn't used in the first place, but now it is. New Billy.png Brown option and black option included in zip. Double Dragon SMS (Sprite-Color Hacks)v2.ips.zip Very good! I continued to watch this sprite because his legs seemed a little short than the torso, so I updated the proportions between arms / chest / legs and I cleaned up some details. I'd like to know if you like the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Something like this wouldn't need the yet to be released XM. CPUWIZ has PCB's that could handle this all day long with Pokey. But that would eat into the finite supply of POKEYs until the HOKEY is finished. With the XM, it could theoretically use the POKEY, the YM2151, and the 7800's onboard TIA as well. Just using the YM would essentially make it arcade-perfect and the POKEY/TIA additions would just be icing on the cake. However, what was posted earlier of the soundtrack simply using the POKEY was damn-impressive. If there's Double Dragon on the A8, someone should hack that audio into it pronto and post it to the Youtube for all the SIDites to suck on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockman_x_2002 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 But that would eat into the finite supply of POKEYs until the HOKEY is finished. With the XM, it could theoretically use the POKEY, the YM2151, and the 7800's onboard TIA as well. Just using the YM would essentially make it arcade-perfect and the POKEY/TIA additions would just be icing on the cake. However, what was posted earlier of the soundtrack simply using the POKEY was damn-impressive. If there's Double Dragon on the A8, someone should hack that audio into it pronto and post it to the Youtube for all the SIDites to suck on. That sounds fine. I'm all for that if someone wants to do that, and would be glad to share the actual .rmt files with anyone interested. For what it's worth, I'm also intending on doing other tracks from the game (basically conversions of the NES soundtrack to the POKEY), but I haven't been able to get back to that project due to work and other things going on. But I have made some small progress on the music for Mission 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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