candle Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 this is not about INIT code, but the fact that sector size grows up to 4k, and I simply don't have enough RAM for 4k sectors for SIDE loader this is not an issue, as it reads whole clusters rather than sectors, and does this directly without any buffers in the middle, but for Jon's ATR handler this is major issue SD cards would be ideal, but - again CPLD resources won't let me make this happend i'll stick to CF and think of some nice way of moving this out of faraday's cage without increasing the cost it all comes to the costs in the end... sad but true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Would it be possible to locate the cf card in the cart slot? I think there may be enough space. To be honest I don't envisage using carts if it has incognito installed anyhow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Or perhaps a Keyboard-like ribbon cable sneaking under the cage - provided there are areas for snagging (a thin card or non-conductive element for low-profile protection). If the cage can handle a couple of mm raised at one side, this may not be as bad as it sounds, once implemented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Willy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 this is not about INIT code, but the fact that sector size grows up to 4k, and I simply don't have enough RAM for 4k sectors You'll never find an SD/HC/XC with anything but 512 byte sectors. I've certainly never seen one, nor had a report of one from any user anywhere in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 what were the sizes you have checked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Willy Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 (edited) Everything from a v1 256MB SD card up to a brand new 64GB SDXC. EDIT: I don't think that it's not that no card supports larger sectors, it's more that no OS will format a card in anything other than 512 byte sectors. Note that my tests with SDXC has the card formatted as FAT since there aren't any small/simple ExFAT filesystems out yet. I tend to use the ELM FatFS or PetitFFS, depending on the platform. The only issue you run into are people using Macs which give you all those extra directories and files that cover the resource fork of traditional Mac files. Edited May 15, 2013 by Chilly Willy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55five66six Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Hi Everyone, I was curious if there has been any progress made on getting an Incognito into an Atari 400? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 It has been a loooong time since I had an Atari 400, but I am wondering if an Incognito board made for the 400 would also work in an 800. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Why wouldn't you just get an incognito for an 800? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Because I got my 800 out of storage a few days after they were sold out. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55five66six Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 The Incognito for the 800 is incompatible with the 400. I looked through this thread, looked like one was being worked on at some point, so I thought I'd resurrect this thread. I want to upgrade my 400 because I think it would be fun and would also make a pretty cool Atari 8bit gaming console. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 From the initial post, it is my understanding that the 800 Incognito won't fit in the 400 - "basically it would be the same incognito board in form factor that would fit 400 motherboard" So my question goes back to whether a (smaller) 400 Incognito would fit in the 800 and/or if there would need to be circuitry and software changes for the 400 as well, making it incompatible with the 800. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 There is a physical dilemma to face with the fact that the metal enclosure acting as a faraday cage (for RF and silly FCC guidlines) is blocking any practacle way of getting cables from the slots to the mainboard. My own solution is to use a 1/2" Holesaw on the nearside to allow a hole for easy placing of through cables without looking like a butchers job. It will look neat and tidy and you wont see it unless you look right in the companrtment due to the location, I can do this and demonstrate with a step by step picture manual, but i will need a 400 Incognito to do this....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 this project will be using SD cards as a storage media, so there is no need to modify this mini-anvil aka faraday cage currently there is one obstacle before me continuing the work - that is stability of lattice mach xo2 cpld programmer - each time i want to use it it behaves arratic some days it will work flawlessly, others it won't work at all - don't have a clue what's up with it, but it severyl affect following project: lynx2lcd, simplestereo3 and this one lincognito-lite there are some atari unrelated project on that list i've omitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 this project will be using SD cards as a storage media, so there is no need to modify this mini-anvil aka faraday cage currently there is one obstacle before me continuing the work - that is stability of lattice mach xo2 cpld programmer - each time i want to use it it behaves arratic some days it will work flawlessly, others it won't work at all - don't have a clue what's up with it, but it severyl affect following project: lynx2lcd, simplestereo3 and this one lincognito-lite there are some atari unrelated project on that list i've omitted Might be a stooopid question, but with the PCB card slots within the anvil and easy access needed - where would the CF slot be located? Im thinking a two part device with a pcb array of terminals extended from the board? Do tell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Might be a stooopid question, but with the PCB card slots within the anvil and easy access needed - where would the CF slot be located? Im thinking a two part device with a pcb array of terminals extended from the board? Do tell! You missed what Sebastian said: "this project will be using SD cards as a storage media", so there is no need to worry about CF card space as SD cards have a smaller footprint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) You missed what Sebastian said: "this project will be using SD cards as a storage media", so there is no need to worry about CF card space as SD cards have a smaller footprint CF or SD - the points been missed i think ... Space isnt my concern - im curious to know how the internal Card slot is populated/connected (which is required inside the shielding) and access to the SD slot is still acessable (outside the shielding). If you recall the 800 incognito - this plugs into one of the slots and you can acess the card slot easily - on the 400 there is no acess to the interior that way. so something different is needed (unless card swopping required sheilds off every time). Hope this makes sense, Edited September 6, 2013 by Magic Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 not an issue, it will be on separate board connected by 10-way ribbon cable nothing fancy, or to worry about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Cool - Thanks Sebastian - look forward to this being released, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55five66six Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 So, is there a big difference with the incognito-lite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Stella Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 If incognito for the 400 is still a viable project, I would like to pre-order 2. Thanks for bringing this machine back to life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevymad Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Just keeping this alive. Would love to have this in my very first atari. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBRAIP Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I'm glad this has brought back interest and I want 1 or possibly 2 for myself as I like the idea of the SD card. Also is the Audio being modified so we get better audio outlet with the 400? This would be a Plus! Keep us informed on the progress both good and bad. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBuff Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Put me also down for one. Looking forward to see this project happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragos Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 yeah, I am in for 2 for sure.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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