Rick Dangerous Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share Posted August 22, 2014 The Gauntlet series is one of my all time favorite multiplayer games. I have actually been playing Gauntlet IV on Genesis a lot lately with friends. You really would have no need for the pro controller for Gauntlet as well, as it plays just fine with a D Pad and two buttons. Gauntlet 2 I have for the NES, but the ST version must be a much truer port of the arcade version. Let me be first on the pre-order list for a Jag Gauntlet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Whistles innocently... I hope you are successful at it! However, if there was a way to get the Jag's DSP to emulate the YM2151, the POKEY, and the TI Speech Synthesis chip, you could re-incorporate the audio from the arcade original. Then sampling [which the Amiga and ST versions use] wouldn't be needed which would free up CPU load - especially if you were relying only on the 68000 - as well as RAM…theoretically. To me, an intriguing idea would be to do Gauntlet multi-player on the Jag by networking the systems together instead of everyone using the same system with multiple controllers. Had Mindscape/US Gold been on the ball more back in the day, they could've done MIDI networking - like MIDI Maze - on the ST version instead of relying on the parallel port-to-joystick adapter/TAP to allow for 4 player mode. Of course, if that were to be enabled on the Jag, then the DSP would take a performance hit which could be problematic if the DSP was also being used to emulate the arcade [or Genesis] audio. Can an audio chip be added to a Jaguar cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) The Gauntlet series is one of my all time favorite multiplayer games. I have actually been playing Gauntlet IV on Genesis a lot lately with friends. You really would have no need for the pro controller for Gauntlet as well, as it plays just fine with a D Pad and two buttons. Gauntlet 2 I have for the NES, but the ST version must be a much truer port of the arcade version. Let me be first on the pre-order list for a Jag Gauntlet! And Tengen's [ahem, Atari Games'] Gauntlet *IV* for the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive is considered the definitive home version of the original Gauntlet, surpassing even the ST version. It does recycle the arcade source code which is amazing since the arcade used a Motorola 68010 - and not a 68000 - and the Genesis's YM chip isn't exactly the YM2151. I would be interested to discover whether it runs better on modded Genesis consoles with a 68010. Those consoles seem to run the games better than overclocked 68000 consoles except for games that are known not to run using a 68010 [Shaq-Fu]. Tengen's Mega Drive port of Marble Madness [only available for the Japanese market] is also considered the definitive home port although it allegedly doesn't use the Sega trackball [the SportsPad for the SMS] as well as the more widely owned EA version from what I've read online. Edited August 23, 2014 by Lynxpro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Can an audio chip be added to a Jaguar cartridge?There are no analog audio input pins on the cart connector, so you'd have to connect an external passthru audio cable. There are digital (I²S) audio inputs on the other hand, but I don't think there's any common sound chip that's compatible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) There are no analog audio input pins on the cart connector, so you'd have to connect an external passthru audio cable. There are digital (I²S) audio inputs on the other hand, but I don't think there's any common sound chip that's compatible. Ugh. Everything is a compromise. Apparently the NeoGeo's largest cart is King of Fighters 2003 which clocks in at 89.3 Megabytes. I think the Jag FAQ said the Jag could theoretically support 84MB on a cart. Edited August 23, 2014 by Lynxpro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Without bank-switching, the maximum is 6 MB. With bank-switching, there's no theorical maximum. Of course, the higher the capacity, the pricier it gets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Hi, I am new to this forum. Is there any update on this project? I have managed several plastic injection molding projects at the company I work for, can help with questions in that area. Biggest problem I've come across with trying to re-use molds is the molding technology can vary from vendor to vendor, moving one mold to another company could be a huge headache and cost almost as much $$ as just making a new set of molds. You should consider having the vendor that molded the imagin parts quote you 500 sets of controller parts in black. Keep in mind the circuitry will have to be a different vendor, and then assembly you will have to do or contract another company. Good Luck, I am interested in one if you succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Well, Here is the news: See attached! Would like $6000.00 for all Steve Mortensen President, IMAGIN SYSTEMS CORP. 1700 Industrial Road, Ste A San Carlos, CA 94070 He also attached pictures of the molds but the file size is just over 10mb. From the specs though, you can see that these things are quite heavy, like the weight of a pickup truck combined. Soo... I have no doubt we as a group could raise the money via kick-starter to buy these. But then what? Then you have to transport them somewhere, have someone do the moldings, then there is the electrical component portion. By the time you are all said and done it's not really going to be financially feasible to go this route. I am not giving up on this project but I am definitely thinking that buying these molds is not the most cost effective way to go. 3D scanning and printing seems much more realistic.. Thoughts? AtariToolingSpecs4-12-10.doc Edited September 11, 2014 by travistouchdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isgoed Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I see the different molds specs/parts for the base-unit, cd-unit and cartridge but not for the controllers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 I see the different molds specs/parts for the base-unit, cd-unit and cartridge but not for the controllers? Excellent point. Upon closer inspection I don't see them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share Posted September 11, 2014 After all that: Rick, Do not have that part! And my mold house doesn't have any knowledge of those parts as well. -Steve Wonder who does have them? At any rate I don't think that was the way to go in the long run... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus649 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I leave here after asking about the pro controller and now this talk. I hope y'all can figure this out, since I gladly buy two controllers if the price is under 100 each other wise it will have to be one. Good luck with this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Considering imagin only needed the case tooling for their camera and not the controllers, it is possible they either never got the controller molds or scrapped them. That being said, someone should save the tools before they are gone. It is incredible they have survived into 2014! $6000 is not a bad price considering. Edited September 13, 2014 by Brooklyn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 That is incredibly hefty! Someone should still snag the molds but it would most definitely have to be done local to their location in CA... With that said, I think your next best bet or option is definitely 3D printing... and while I'm not sure about costs involved, I do know metal printing is now available as well... but I'm sure that is quite expensive by far in comparison but could in the end result in some really nicely finished controllers for those looking for something slightly more durable haha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+wood_jl Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Easy question for you Jaguar Pros: The Jaguar controller plugs into the STe computer. (1) What software *really* used it? (2) Will the STe recognize the uniqueness of the Jaguar Pro Controller, and did any software actually use it? (I'm guessing "no.") Thanks, and hope these get made somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMaddog Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Easy question for you Jaguar Pros: The Jaguar controller plugs into the STe computer. (1) What software *really* used it? (2) Will the STe recognize the uniqueness of the Jaguar Pro Controller, and did any software actually use it? (I'm guessing "no.") There are a very few STe only games that do use the Jag Controller made about '94-'96. Can't recall the list but you'll have to check the Read Me files to see if they support it as an option. Otherwise you'll have to get an adapter cable from Best Electronics to use the Jag Controller as an Atari joystick. (Such a waste with all those buttons only as fire...) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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