rkindig Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I received a cartridge from Steve DeFrisco that has the original, unreleased Wing War on it. The cart looks like the original prototype one with a hand-written label on it. When booting the game, there is no title screen or credits; it just jumps right to the game. He sent it to me as a result of the interview I did with him for Antic (http://ataripodcast.libsyn.com/antic-interview-123-steve-defrisco-wing-war-hero) I found a dump on AtariMania where someone cracked a ROM of Wing War. I don't know if it's the same thing or not. Steve also provided a copy of the original manual, dated 1983, which I haven't seen anywhere else on the Internet. Does anyone have a good way to dump the cart to a file? thanks Randy Kindig co-host Antic 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) filecopy.bas I did a filecopy program in Basic + Asm in the 80s. It also does cartridges though only nonbanked 8 and 16K ones. Wing War on Atarimania seems to be an ATR, I've also got it on real floppy as a binary file. Fairly sure they're both just cartridge dumps originally. Chances are it might have some self-destruct code in the program which was common to try and stop people running carts from Ram. Obviously what's out there on disks was cracked so would be different to some degree. But if you get a dump it could be compared to what's already out there. Edited March 19, 2016 by Rybags 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'd imagine its the same image that leaked, all have no title screens and go straight to game...It might however be a later version? I'm not a dumper, can't help there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I didn't play the game a lot, part reason being I just couldn't work it out. Fair chance it could be differerent - problem is though it might be an earlier even more incomlete version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I received a cartridge from Steve DeFrisco that has the original, unreleased Wing War on it. The cart looks like the original prototype one with a hand-written label on it. When booting the game, there is no title screen or credits; it just jumps right to the game. He sent it to me as a result of the interview I did with him for Antic (http://ataripodcast.libsyn.com/antic-interview-123-steve-defrisco-wing-war-hero) I found a dump on AtariMania where someone cracked a ROM of Wing War. I don't know if it's the same thing or not. Steve also provided a copy of the original manual, dated 1983, which I haven't seen anywhere else on the Internet. Does anyone have a good way to dump the cart to a file? thanks Randy Kindig co-host Antic There is this device. http://www.atarimax.com/flashcart/documentation/ I have one but have never used it. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Bit of a spend if it's only to copy 1 cart. With my program you select the copy cartridge option. Insert the cart when prompted, press a key. The screen should change colour once the copy is done (couple of seconds). Then remove the cart and press a different key. The file can then be saved out (the copier should automatically know if it's 8 or 16K). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 A scan of the manual would be useful... Paul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Westphal Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Use an Atarimax programmer + software. It allows you to dump any cart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Not familiar with that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I'd give the program Rybags has attached and like him agree that an Atarimax as great as they are is a bit of overkill for one cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 A scan of the manual would be useful... Paul. Yep I'll scan and put it up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Randy, If Rybag's program doesn't work I can send you my Atarimax cart to copy it. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Yep I'll scan and put it up Thank you Makes me wonder how complete your one is as it must have been getting close to release for an actual manual for it to be about... Could be a pre production one I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Use an Atarimax programmer + software. It allows you to dump any cart. I've got one right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Both Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Very interesting. A lot of "brand-new-old-never" releases these days :-) I also think it is very likely a late version. If he already burned it on a cartridge and the manual is nearly complete. That looks more almost finished than early release. Would be funny to play it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndary Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 i put up a page on dumping cartridges 15 years ago: https://sites.google.com/site/ataripal/cartdump its need to be updated but and host it in a better place.. but it has good info on how to dump any cartridge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Was this cartridge ever dumped? Although it's probably the same as the disk release on the Imagic 1-2-3 compilation, it would be nice to have a confirmation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULS Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Maybe this? Wing War.zip 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, FULS said: Maybe this? Wing War.zip 20.51 kB · 9 downloads Where did "this" come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Contents of the disk saved to ROM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FULS Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 21 hours ago, MrFish said: Where did "this" come from? I think Ebay. Bought this cart over 8 years ago. I think it's definitely a Homebrew (hack), its in a standard Atari metal cart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, FULS said: I think Ebay. Bought this cart over 8 years ago. I think it's definitely a Homebrew (hack), its in a standard Atari metal cart. Aliright, good enough; if it works it works; although, they're looking for the original artifact here. Thanks for sharing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted August 26, 2023 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 On 3/19/2016 at 9:57 AM, Rybags said: filecopy.bas 3.42 kB · 73 downloads I did a filecopy program in Basic + Asm in the 80s. It also does cartridges though only nonbanked 8 and 16K ones. Wing War on Atarimania seems to be an ATR, I've also got it on real floppy as a binary file. Fairly sure they're both just cartridge dumps originally. Chances are it might have some self-destruct code in the program which was common to try and stop people running carts from Ram. Obviously what's out there on disks was cracked so would be different to some degree. But if you get a dump it could be compared to what's already out there. I know, this is an OLD thread! . Still trying to get a dump of this cart. I don't understand how to use a BASIC program to copy a cart on an XL/XE, when the cart overrides BASIC?? Also, how do I get a .BAS program onto a disk image in Atari800MacX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 It uses hotswap of the cartridge. The copier has a routine which waits for you to insert it then press a key. A couple of seconds later the screen should change colour then you remove the cart and press another key. It should copy non banked 8 and 16K carts that can then be saved to a file. Generally after that the game might need to have protection removed - many cart games have routines that overwrite that area of memory to try and stop Ram based copies running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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