rkindig Posted August 26, 2023 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 Thanks for your help!! However..... I'm a bit concerned about inserting a cart into a hot machine. That seems dangerous to both the machine and the cart ??? Nir Dary sent me instructions on using a breakout board (which the Wing War cart sits on top of) to copy the cart. I'll give that a shot first. thanks again! Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cx2k Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, rkindig said: Thanks for your help!! However..... I'm a bit concerned about inserting a cart into a hot machine. That seems dangerous to both the machine and the cart ??? Nir Dary sent me instructions on using a breakout board (which the Wing War cart sits on top of) to copy the cart. I'll give that a shot first. thanks again! Randy Did I miss something in previous posts? Can you open the cart and dump the eproms? Or use the AtariMax cart dumper? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted August 26, 2023 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 minute ago, cx2k said: Did I miss something in previous posts? Can you open the cart and dump the eproms? Or use the AtariMax cart dumper? John read all the previous posts and you should be caught up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cx2k Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 minute ago, rkindig said: read all the previous posts and you should be caught up I did. It still doesn't answer the question of can you open the cart to dump the roms? Or if you took anyone up on an offer to send you AtariMax cart? Or have someone dump it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted August 26, 2023 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 Sorry, I thought it was obvious from the context that I have not yet dumped the cart and am restarting the effort to do so. Again, I have instructions and a cart from Nir Dary that should allow me to do this, which I will try shortly. thanks. Randy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted August 27, 2023 Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 Ok, I used the cartdump utility to dump the Wing War cart. It's on the attached .atr file. wwdump.atr I'm trying to find a MacOSX utility that will let me manage an ATR, so I can pull the ROM file file off the disk image, but I haven't found anything that I can use yet. Anyone know how to do that? Randy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Under Win XP, Win 7, Win 8, Win 10 and Win 11 "MakeATR 0.6" by Soudi does the job. Don't have a Macintosh, ermm, Apple Mac... Attached you will find the ROM / BIN that I extracted from your ATR above. Unsure if the ROM works or not since I never played that game (it looks buggy to me, but maybe thats how the game looks and plays normally). Used Altirra to save it as a CAR image. WINGWAR.ROM WingWar.car 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 In Atari800MacX emulator, Media -> Edit an ATR disk image. But I did it for you. Works. I tried it. ROM16.rom 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr0tki Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Thank you Randy! This prototype ROM differs from FULS's cartridge dump - looking at the first few hundred bytes, the only difference seems to be the prototype ROM has copy protection, i.e. additional instructions that write to ROM area. Looking at FULS's cartridge, it seems to be a hack from the disk release of "Imagic 1-2-3". The version of Wing War on that disk loads into RAM at $4000-$7FFF. FULS's ROM is almost identical to that disk version, but it contains an initialization routine at $BFD8 that copies the whole ROM area from $8000-$BFFF to $4000-$7FFF, and runs the game from $4000. So, the "Imagic 1-2-3" version seems to be identical to the prototype, only without the copy protection, and FULS's cartridge is made from the disk version. Edited August 28, 2023 by Kr0tki 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted September 5, 2023 Author Share Posted September 5, 2023 Thanks, guys! To finish this off, I'm attaching the printed documentation Steve provided with the ROM cart. Then, I'll put both the scanned documentation and the dumped cart on archive.org. Finally, I'll get all of this back to @imutant with our undying gratitude! RandyWing_Wart_Program_Instructions.pdf 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 As a side note: the doc file is titled "Wing Wart". So, it might end up getting filed under the Atari game maladies section. Seriously, though, it's really nice to get some instructions for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 ugh. I'll see if I can fix that. thanks for letting me know Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkindig Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 Fixed on archive.org (I think). Here's the renamed file. Thanks again. Randy Wing_War_Program_Instructions.pdf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devwebcl Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I always have questions about this game, and now, with the instructions, I understand that we need to kill the red dragon to pass to the next level. I created a (draft) map to complete this task more efficiently. When I clean up the map, I'll post it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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