Wally1 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Is there a solderlesss solution? the Marpet maybe? how easy/hard to do? will anybody do this for me, i will pay handsomely! thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerbob Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 The Marpett 4mb really has no soldering. You can.. solder the 2 or 4 lines you need, but you could also use the jumper cables included.. soldering is better.. but not required. Depending on the model of 520.. maybe you have sockets just waiting for you to populate them.. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1 Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 thank you what is the easy way to tell if my 520 is socketed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 The only way would be to open it up and look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1 Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 that still doesn't help me Scotty beam me up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zogging Hell Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 The Marpet memory upgrade clips (or should I say squeezes?) over the top of MMU and under the shifter. The shifter is in the silver box in the middle of the ST motherboard (its the largest chip in there). The mmu moves about depending on motherboard revision, but is a square shaped chip (there are two or three in there depending on whether a blitter is installed). If the chip is socketed it will look like just that, a chip in a socket (the shifter mostly is, the mmu not so much), if the chip is soldered directly to the motherboard it will be a pain to add a memory upgrade. Back in those days you would get some extra sockets that would plug into the Marpet that kinda acted like an upside down socket, which would fit over the offending soldered chip. They were a bit crappy though and usually worked loose at the slightest opportunity. You usually had to glue gun them in to keep them from popping off. If the shifter is not socketed, you are buggered, unless you feel comfortable desoldering the chip and fitting a socket and a new chip (or the original if by some miracle you haven't cooked it during the desoldering) or soldering the upgrade directly onto the chip itself. It tends to be the later STFMs that are soldered (cost cutting). If you have TOS 1.04 (unless the system has been upgraded) and a late release date/ motherboard revisiion, you are more at risk of this. If your chips are socketed, you simply have to orientate the one bit of the upgrade correctly over the mmu then push the pins in between the chip and the socket. This is a little hair raising the first time, and also puts some extra strain on the pins in the socket, which might make the socket a bit unreliable if you ever take the memory out. From memory the other bit for the shifter, you remove the chip, add the thru socket and then reseat the shifter, making sure the orientation is right (or fried chip results). It's not hard after you have done one, but can be little daunting for the first timer. You just need to make sure you check everything a thousand times and read the manual a lot. I believe Exxos also has some memory upgrades, which are probably going to be a darn sight more reliable than some ancient simms/ memory and a marpet upgrade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1 Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) yeah thank you for the comprehensive response. well i am pretty much all thumbs when it comes to a soldering iron sad to say. oh well even if my ST is socketed i prolly would mess up Edited November 8, 2017 by Wally1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjlazer Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I would stay away from this type of upgrade as it is very flaky it will make your computer in inoperable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1 Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 now i got another problem it seems my floppy and/or disks are acting up any help or ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoTonah Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 now i got another problem it seems my floppy and/or disks are acting up any help or ideas? If you have another 720Kb drive to test with, do that first. If it doesn't work either, it means you have a blown FDC chip. Silver lining: if that is the case you can buy a better one that would allow for 1.44Mb drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1 Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 buy another ST? is that what you mean? i do have another floppy drive which would mean opening up the ST i have now. hopefully the FDC chip is alright. i can describe better what is happening: sometimes i get a white screen and it boots up in about 5 seconds. but this is only about 1 out of every 5 tries. other times the screen stays black and does not boot up at all. when it does boot up i can hear a whirring sound like it used to make when i first bought the computer which was not too long ago. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zogging Hell Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I would stay away from this type of upgrade as it is very flaky it will make your computer in inoperable That's a bit harsh, I've had them in several STs for years without any problems at all, overall I would say they are pretty solid if they are installed correctly (and don't want to run any other upgrades like a speed booster) The only one I had problems with was the fit socket over the soldered MMU type. One literally popped off after some time, killing itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerbob Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 If you turn it on with no disk in the drive at all? Do you get the exact same thing? 1 in 5 works? This does not sound like the drive - if you get it to boot .. does everything then work? access etc.. ? This is more sounding like a PSU issue.. old computer the PSU is the first thing that normally begins to go bad. .. Unfortunately.. this also means opening up the computer. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1 Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 hmm i gotta check that bootup with no disk i will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally1 Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 yeah i athink youre right how do i replace the PSU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zogging Hell Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 It (the PSU) is held in by two to fours screws on motherboard, if you open the case up and remove the top metal shielding (this is held in place by a mixture of screws and metal tabs - which you need to twist straight with some pliers) you will see the psu at the back left. The screws holding it in place are on the feet of the metal 'stand' the PSU sits on. Undo these and then unplug the power cable from PSU to the motherboard (AT style plug). The PSU can then be removed by some gentle manoeuvring, although it is a bit tricky as it will not like coming out at the back where the PSU external power lead and power switch go through the case - it can be done however, just don't force anything. To make this easy you can remove the whole motherboard but that can be more faff. You then simply reverse the procedure to put the new one in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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