Supergun Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 We still only have the ONE true authentic found in the wild Gamma Attack cartridge which I believe is with Wonder007. The controversial second one which was hyped up by either the programmer or his son, is more of a prototype or test cart. Totally different & non matching to the real deal. With Regards to Birthday Mania, we still have just the one true authentic cart. When it comes to the 3 Answer Software games, youve got a mess to contend with there. Malagai is obviously the most common of the 3. Enough of them have surfaced, and in circulated conditions, that there is no doubt of its status as an official release & part of a complete set. Gauntlet is a bit controversial, but, we do have multiple owners of the cart out there. Perhaps 3 to 5 at most. We also have authentic mask roms of the game. Confrontation however in as far as I was told, was never available. Why suddenly it is being talked about as an official release is a surprise to me. Its always been a proto, nothing more. And Ive never seen a real cart or rom chip. But what really scares me is how Red Sea Crossing is slowly turning up. Reason being it is hands down the easiest 2600 cart to fake. I dont trust any of them now, other then the 2 originals found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I agree on gammna attack there are 2 but only 1 is truly an original so far. Yes birthday mania there is 1 for sure and a possible 2nd claimed by the owner with no evidence ever provided. Malagai and gauntlet I think have to be counted even though especially gauntlets distribution had to be next to nothing. I agree though I never have considered confrontation to be a possible original release. And I still agree it's just a couple copies maybe that people who attended that ces show were lucky enough to get a chance to purchase later. That's not a release. I think this pic is the only known copy unless anyone else has more info. it does have a shell and label but obviously not anything with production quality. The manual did get made but they basically used it as an advertisement flyer too. I agree I would be afraid about buying any copy of rsc. And I think this fear is playing a big part in the price drop off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Yes, I saw that Confrontation cart pic on Atarimania. And that pic speaks volumes. - the cart shell is an Apollo style rather then an Answer style shell. - the cart sticker & type print on it is consistent with a prototype label - the cart board must have an eprom under the metal shield because it has a hex inverter on it. Not to mention that no one has ever even claimed to having a production cart of the game anyhow. The only thing worse then a lack of information is the perpetration & spreading of misinformation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagegamecrazy Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Supergun I'm not trying to spread misinformation at all but as I look at all the evidence I believe this game was technically available for sale even if no copies have surfaced yet. All the coversations I've read lean towards it being demonstrated at the CES show and only people that attended knew of its existance and the only ones that knew that you could order it. That copy may be a complete prototype cartridge and who knows if it was mailed to someone or not when they had an order and funds dried up. That's anyone's guess as to whether any more copies sold or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Cade Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 (edited) I agree on gammna attack there are 2 but only 1 is truly an original so far. Yes birthday mania there is 1 for sure and a possible 2nd claimed by the owner with no evidence ever provided. Malagai and gauntlet I think have to be counted even though especially gauntlets distribution had to be next to nothing. I agree though I never have considered confrontation to be a possible original release. And I still agree it's just a couple copies maybe that people who attended that ces show were lucky enough to get a chance to purchase later. That's not a release. I think this pic is the only known copy unless anyone else has more info. it does have a shell and label but obviously not anything with production quality. The manual did get made but they basically used it as an advertisement flyer too. confrontation_cart.jpg I agree I would be afraid about buying any copy of rsc. And I think this fear is playing a big part in the price drop off. Just out of curiosity, was the 2600 actually referred to as the Atari 2600 in the 80's? I always that was a modern way of referring to it. We're talking 1983 here specifically... Edited December 26, 2018 by R.Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KaeruYojimbo Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Just out of curiosity, was the 2600 actually referred to as the Atari 2600 in the 80's? I always that was a modern way of referring to it. We're talking 1983 here specifically... Atari started referring to the VCS as the 2600 after the 5200 was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) MegaBoy, how rare is that? Edited December 27, 2018 by high voltage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Its quite rare, even brazilians never see it. Can't be more than a handful of known copies. But it's also not counted as part of a us set even though it is ntsc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitfall Switchy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Updated the list in light of this new, 4th RSC turning up: 1x copy: Birthday Mania / Gamma Attack (*) 2x copies: Cat Trax (if it wasn't just a commercial sample) 2x copies: monogrammed Space Chase 3x copies: Ultravision Karate 4x copies: Red Sea Crossing 5x copies: Extra Terrestrials 6x copies: Gauntlet 15x copies: Eli's Ladder 20x copies: Air Raid 23x copies: Magicard 28x copies: Pepsi Invaders Wait, four Red Sea Crossings? I thought there was still only two. When were the other two sold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) There are 5 now. 1 currently on eBay. 1 sold a couple months ago on eBay. 3rd copy still not sold publicly but found this spring, this 1 has not been on ebay. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401664055515 Edited January 7, 2019 by stupus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitfall Switchy Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 There are 5 now. 1 currently on eBay. 1 sold a couple months ago on eBay. 3rd copy still not sold publicly but found this spring, this 1 has not been on ebay. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401664055515 Oh my god, that's awesome! Never knew that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazzeri Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) MegaBoy, how rare is that? Megaboy is indeed rare but not as rare as you may think. I might ask around but were definitely talking about two-digits. Edited January 10, 2019 by lazzeri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Atari_Warlord Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The Megaboy can't be very rare, I have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Want to sell it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Atari_Warlord Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Want to sell it? Not at this time. I think I originally bought it from a seller in Brazil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhd Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Yes, I saw that Confrontation cart pic on Atarimania. And that pic speaks volumes. - the cart board must have an eprom under the metal shield because it has a hex inverter on it. A bit off-topic, but what is the purpose of the metal shield? I have never seen a cartridge with one before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 as far as I know, just silly FCC requirements that were implemented from the early era of video game system cartridges. Allegedly to prevent possible interference with other devices. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 As for this thread, there are far less Video Life carts, than MagiCard's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagegamecrazy Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 I am curious about Lochjaw, Asterix and Nightmare. How many copies of each of those are known? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing Lazers Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 Updated the list in light of this new, 5th RSC turning up: 1x copy: Birthday Mania / Gamma Attack/ Confrontation (if considered)(*) 2x copies: Cat Trax (if it wasn't just a commercial sample)2x copies: monogrammed Space Chase3x copies: Ultravision Karate5x copies: Extra Terrestrials/ Red Sea Crossing6x copies: Gauntlet15x copies: Eli's Ladder20x copies: Air Raid23x copies: Magicard28x copies: Pepsi Invaders ...I would also note that Confrontation could easily be considered a release of sorts, or at a minimum a legit cart from back in the day and thus still part of an NTSC "full set". While Supergun correctly notes that the build quality of the known copy (copies?) is not that of a full, professional release, the evidence and known lore still suggests that people had the opportunity back in the day to buy a copy, even if it was just at one trade show. Somebody, somewhere, even if under some very specific conditions, still had the opportunity to add this to their Atari library either via buying it or by being given it. Not so different than Pepsi Invaders, which was also just given away (not even sold!) at one convention back in the day, though that was in much larger numbers. Birthday Mania really isn't that much different- one had to have read one specific newspaper from one specific part of the US and happen to notice the ad for it to even know of the opportunity to buy it. Yet it is still counted. Yet, only one copy seems to be confirmed to still exist. For now, I'm going to consider it as valid as other entries on this tracking list, and hope that somebody who was at the actual convention in question can shed further light on this title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing Lazers Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 I am curious about Lochjaw, Asterix and Nightmare. How many copies of each of those are known? Lochjaw? Who knows. Probably few enough to keep it an R9. Not more than a few dozen, in all likelihood. Asterix? Possibly fewer, but I'd have to look into this one. It is one of the few that I've never seen in person, and I have seen several different Lochjaw copies. Nightmare, aka Stuntman? It's not even an NTSC game, or is it? This recent post was a little vague on that, but one was available back in the day via Kay-Bee: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/284111-help-stuntman-or-nightmare/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+stupus Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 There is at least 1 ntsc nightmare. I don't see anyway to count confrontation as an official release. It was not sold at ces. It was shown there and a couple people who later inquired about it were sold what appears to be the original prototypes. That is not a opportunity where any random person from the public was given some type of opportunity to buy the game. Birthday mania was advertised and anybody who saw that ad could have theoretically purchased it. Same goes for rsc and gamma. That makes them much different then confrontation. I am very interested regardless to know how many copies may exist of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazing Lazers Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 There is at least 1 ntsc nightmare. I don't see anyway to count confrontation as an official release. It was not sold at ces. It was shown there and a couple people who later inquired about it were sold what appears to be the original prototypes. That is not a opportunity where any random person from the public was given some type of opportunity to buy the game. Birthday mania was advertised and anybody who saw that ad could have theoretically purchased it. Same goes for rsc and gamma. That makes them much different then confrontation. I am very interested regardless to know how many copies may exist of it. There is an NTSC Nightmare? That I did not know, but should that be added to the list above? Or is there just not enough evidence presently known? I'm really curious on this! As for Confrontation, has it been confirmed that it wasn't offered at CES, and that only a few (remarkably farsighted) persons in attendance had the presence of mind to ask about buying copies, and Answer decided to sell the few prototype copies they had lying around? I totally agree that that makes it a much looser and informal release than Birthday, Red Sea, and Gamma, but how does that compare to Pepsi Invaders, which was simply given away and not even offered for sale? "Coke Wins" wasn't even advertised as far as I've ever heard, but nobody leaves it off the collection checklists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) There's 125 Pepsi Invaders, according to AtariMania. Is there a difference between Coke Wins and Pepsi Invaders? Edited January 18, 2019 by high voltage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high voltage Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) I seem to be the only person on this planet who owns Pole Position with official racing poster/stickers/ in special plastic bag. That's kinda rare. Edited January 18, 2019 by high voltage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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