Redb3ard Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I've managed to find many of these (at least the front page with artwork) via ebay auctions, Google image search, and here on AtariAge (was a little surprised about that, it had been years since I've logged in here). I was hoping to be able to convert the clipart on them to vector format (the latest Inkscape's tracing tools are remarkable), so that I might provide some recreations of the originals for those who would want them. I've had more than a little luck making pdfs that are 100% vector, no OCR or raster. I'm still missing the following: * Jumpy * Star Trap * Spy's Demise * Break Thru (unsure of spelling on this one) * Sorgan II * Star Gazer (unsure on this one?) * TI Toad * Red Baron * Mancala * Intercept * Escape * Dragonflyer Scans (or even bad photographs) of the other pages would be very welcome too. In case I'm missing some on the list and don't even realize it, I have good (or at least usable) copies of * Barrage * Beyond Parsec * Black Hole * Boxer * Burger Builder * D*Station II * Junkman Jr. * Micro-Pinball * Micro Tennis * Midnite Mason * Qmaze I'd also welcome any other manuals that were... how do I put this kindly, less polished? Munchman II comes to mind as an example. Those that were black and white clip art and photocopy folded over and stapled. Any and all help (even just correcting any misconceptions you might notice) would be appreciated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fimbulvetr Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 There is a scan of Dragonflyer (Spot Shot) in this month's High Score Competition thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redb3ard Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, fimbulvetr said: There is a scan of Dragonflyer (Spot Shot) in this month's High Score Competition thread. Thank you so much fimbulvetr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Several DBT cartridges had multiple names, but used the same artwork. Dragon Flyer was originally Spot Shot Escape! was originally King of the Castle Qmaze was originally Jumpy Breakthrough was originally Breakout Micro Tennis was also sold as Love Tennis Cartridges that had differences: Star Trap was available on disk before it became a cartridge, with the title Star Wars Red Baron was available on disk before it became a cartridge, with the title Spad XIII Star Runner was available on disk before it became a cartridge, with the title TI Runner Star Gazer 1-3 was originally available as individual cartridges from Exceltek, DBT sold them as a combined cartridge These are also missing: Face Chase D-Station I Space Patrol I have never seen a DBT Intercept cartridge. . .I've only ever seen it on disk from Republic Software. I hope this helps--and the list does not include their utility programs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redb3ard Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 I don't know if anyone's interested in this... but I plan on making them for myself anyway. This is very preliminary work. I'm using a custom-made application called "Chronoscope" that I've never actually released (it was disappointing that I couldn't make it as automated as I might like). The image was vectorized with Inkscape... the latest version has centerline autotrace, which makes the image only about 150k (it's most of the pdf size and will remain so, there's less than 10k of markup/css). I had to hand-tweak it because centerline-autotrace does line art really well, but not solid shapes and combining the two tracings was irritating. I've never been able to figure out automatic typeface detection (so I have to match those by eyeball, and I'm not great at it). So the title on the cover is wrong... I'll get that figured out tomorrow (likely this was made with desktop publishing on a Mac in 1987ish, there really are only a couple dozen possibilities). Chronoscope does OCR (and often badly), so for this I may just end up typing it in by hand, can't be more than 15 minutes' worth or so. The main text of this thing looks typewriter-ish to me, and there are some decent typewriter fonts to use for this. I intend to correct typos and misspellings. I'd go nuts if I didn't (but if someone wants to object, I can be persuaded to provide an alternate version). I also suspect the DataBioTics people were using some standard clipart, but I don't think I've got much chance of finding the originals (if so, this pdf would probably look better still and be under 60k). If anyone has any insight into that, I'd love to hear it. If this doesn't look much different to you, that's what I intended. But if you want to really see the difference just to understand, zoom in on both the original and my version. Crisp, clean lines as far as you can zoom in. On the art and the letters. All criticism welcome. SpotShot-vectorized.pdf 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelpedant Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Here's Red Baron. It's mostly the same as the SPAD XIII mk2 manual, but for branding changed here and there. Red Baron Manual.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 A number of the original DataBioTics drawings sold on eBay last year (I bid on them, but the final price was a bit egregious, so I dropped out of the bidding at some point). IIRC, it was six or seven drawings and the schematics for the Miniwriter III cartridge. I copied the schematic image which was a bit low quality in the eBay picture and reconstructed it in Visio to get a high-quality image. I'm not sure who ended up with the lot though, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 As it was not on either list, I've taken the liberty of scanning my Star Runner manual. ... I swear that paper doesn't look as orange in reality as it does on my screen(Understandably, it has yellowed with time and is no longer white). The blue mottling is legitimately a part of the manual, though. Part of me wonders if it wasn't an effort to stymie duplication efforts(it'd xerox TERRIBLY). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redb3ard Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 1 hour ago, JB said: As it was not on either list, I've taken the liberty of scanning my Star Runner manual. ... I swear that paper doesn't look as orange in reality as it does on my screen(Understandably, it has yellowed with time and is no longer white). The blue mottling is legitimately a part of the manual, though. Part of me wonders if it wasn't an effort to stymie duplication efforts(it'd xerox TERRIBLY). Thank you so much JB. If you want a better digital copy, I think I can do that. I've got two of the fonts matched already, everything except the "Star Runner" though I suspect strongly I'll find it was an included font with Aldus Pagemaker or something like that. The "Minimum requirements" is Palatino Bold, and I'm using JMH Typewriter Dry for the content. Looks like they changed up the warranty page a bit, guess I get to re-type that one, haha. Also, slightly off-topic, why in the hell does CSS not have a sentence-spacing property? Driving me nuts, makes it difficult to get pixel-perfect layout matching. Whoever typed these up liked to double-space new sentences, but the typewriter's pitch was different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) Naw, I'm good with the paper copy. May be a few more decades before it decides to get brittle and disintigrate. I'm just contributing to the causedAppreciate the offer, though. Edited May 24, 2020 by JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Schmitzi Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Hi, thanks for the scan, I made a PDF from it Star-Runner--Databiotics-1987--OCR.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbox Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 You can find a newly created manual for Micro Tennis / Love Tennis / US Open / Nicesoft Tennis etc at: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?do=findComment&comment=4530923 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbox Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 From this thread- documents on atariage which may be recreations or predate the databiotics releases: barrage see Barrage (Databiotics) http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=3433650 beyond parsec see Beyond Parsec http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=3433650 black hole - awaited boxer see Boxer http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=3434747 burger builder - Good manual on ti99iuc d station 1 and 2 see D STATION 1 https://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/? do=findComment&comment=4460442 D STATION 2 (printed format- front cover sketch) https://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/? do=findComment&comment=4460442 D STATION 2 (typescript format) http://atariage.com/forums/topic/268739-disk-doc-to-pdf/?p=3830066 dragonflyer= see spot shot below escape= king of the castle face chase awaited intercept awaited junkman junior see Junkman Junior http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=3434019 jumpy see qmaze below mancala - awaited micro pinball see Micro Pinball (Software Specialities / Databiotics) http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=3434019 micro tennis see MICRO TENNIS https://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?do=findComment&comment=4530923 midnight mason - see Midnight Mason (Omega manual) https://atariage.com/forums/topic/223079-strips-reference-cards-manuals-labels-and-more-hq/?do=findComment&comment=3144203 qmaze = jumpy = see QMaze http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=3434747 space patrol = awaited spot shot see Spot Shot http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=3434747 star trap awaited spy's demise see Spy's Demise (cassette)(module) Challenger Software http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248687-ti-99-docs-manuals-ebooks-lost-found/?p=4197174 stargzazer awaited ti toad awaited s 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Here also, you can find something from Databiotics i scanned http://www.ti99iuc.it/web/index.php?pagina=cerca&ricerca=databiotics&cerca=Cerca 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redb3ard Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 Ok, this is pretty close to final for Spot Shot: SpotShot-vectorized.pdf This still has some problems, notably that something about the pdf rendering makes it difficult to select text (I've seen this in pdfs created with other software, still haven't tracked it down). Also, the svg/vector image on the front lets you select each and every little path element, which annoys me. Gotta figure out how to make that so it's just a single image. Fonts are matched. Line-height isn't always matched... on a typewriter it was controlled mechanically, and if the paper slipped a little more or a little less on each new line you'd not get them perfectly spaced. That makes it tough for me. If someone could proof-read, see if they can spot any discrepancies, that'd be great. I'd also appreciate screenshots of it (to test whether the font-embedding is working correctly... would suck if your pdf viewer just shows Times New Roman or whatever). I worked from the one posted in the high score thread, I'll repost it here for convenience: SpotShot.pdf Note that my copy has nearly perfect fidelity, and is only 20% of the original size. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I like the first one! It prints out perfectly in booklet form only taking one piece of paper. I've added it to my collection and linked to it as well. THANKS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelpedant Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I do hope a Dragonflyer scan turns up some day. Probably it'd be as lazily rebranded as the game itself (where they just removed the text "spot shot" from the game screen), and be along the lines of Red Baron (basically the same manual, with updated title text). But it'd be nice to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redb3ard Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, pixelpedant said: I do hope a Dragonflyer scan turns up some day. Probably it'd be as lazily rebranded as the game itself (where they just removed the text "spot shot" from the game screen), and be along the lines of Red Baron (basically the same manual, with updated title text). But it'd be nice to know. Assuming it was rebranded lazily, I could probably reproduce it even with a shitty ebay photograph that's distant and perspective distorted. Probably would just release the cover page (assuming the rest didn't change). Which came first though? And who owned it prior to rebranding? What was the point ("Spot Shot" doesn't seem to be stepping on any intellectual property toes)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Redb3ard said: Assuming it was rebranded lazily, I could probably reproduce it even with a shitty ebay photograph that's distant and perspective distorted. Probably would just release the cover page (assuming the rest didn't change). Which came first though? And who owned it prior to rebranding? What was the point ("Spot Shot" doesn't seem to be stepping on any intellectual property toes)? Spot Shot was first and was rebranded as Dragonflyer a couple of years later. DataBioTics had it the whole time. They changed names of some of the games to make their line appear fresh and new, without the tedium of actually producing new software. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redb3ard Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Ksarul said: Spot Shot was first and was rebranded as Dragonflyer a couple of years later. DataBioTics had it the whole time. They changed names of some of the games to make their line appear fresh and new, without the tedium of actually producing new software. Wow. I remember ordering these out of catalogs and the backs of magazines... what about the poor schmucks who thought it was a new game and ordered it only to find out it was the same game they already had? I know with certainty that's how my uncle got Picnic Paranoia, and a few others besides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Redb3ard said: Wow. I remember ordering these out of catalogs and the backs of magazines... what about the poor schmucks who thought it was a new game and ordered it only to find out it was the same game they already had? I know with certainty that's how my uncle got Picnic Paranoia, and a few others besides. Anyone reading the game description in the Triton, Tenex, or Tex-Comp catalogs would immediately recognize it as one they already had before they ordered it. Only a few of their games changed names--but just about all of their utility programs did. Their word processing program was a definite moving target, but at least it really was changing: Miniwriter I (on disk), Miniwriter II (on cartridge, with the option of a parallel port added to it and branded as the Miniwriter II+), Miniwriter III (also with a + option), Wordwriter, Wordwriter Extra, and lastly Beyond Wordwriter. A couple of additional iterations were apparently planned but never saw the light of day (Wordwriter II and Wordwriter III), although they may also have just morphed into the last two published titles. Every word processor from Miniwriter II onward was a cartridge-only release. Edited May 25, 2020 by Ksarul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelpedant Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Yeah, it'd take a pretty blind eye to see Spot-Shot and Dragonflyer as different things, given the (1987 and 1988 respectively) Triton ads are almost identical: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 You've never seen anything like it... except as the previously released DRAGONFLYER, so come on, spend an extra $2.00 so we can make more money on the same re-released program. Oh, and never mind that this cartridge (#BAAW) has exactly the same inventory designation as the cheaper version of the same program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+adamantyr Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, INVISIBLE said: You've never seen anything like it... except as the previously released DRAGONFLYER, so come on, spend an extra $2.00 so we can make more money on the same re-released program. Oh, and never mind that this cartridge (#BAAW) has exactly the same inventory designation as the cheaper version of the same program. Yeah, at least Dragonflyer/Spot Shot was an interesting game with good use of bitmap. Many of their titles were not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+adamantyr Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Checked my collection and here is what I have. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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