IndyJones1023 Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On another non-Atari forum, someone posted this: "On the Atari ST, not long before it stopped being relevant, someone wrote a Word Processor that was a completely different design from everything that had come before. He wrote it using a database engine. It would scroll so fast you'd get that "wagon wheel" effect. You could select vertically as well as horizontally. It did search and replace almost instantly. All on the 8 mhz 68000. I thought it was brilliant. Then the ST disappeared and I've never been able to remember the name of the program or the programmer. I never saw anything like it again, so I assume he didn't port it to Windows or anything. Does this ring a bell to you at all? Do you have any idea what the program might have been? I believe I saw it/bought it at the Baltimore AtariCon where Dave Small literally threw Spectre cases into the audience, telling everybody who caught one that all they needed was to get the ROMS from Apple." Anyone here know what program this was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesWD Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Gotta be in either of these lists : http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/office/edit/ http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/office/wordpro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prog99 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Tempus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 39 minutes ago, prog99 said: Tempus? That's what I was thinking too, used it loads bitd, it had some nice features even though it wasn't a word processor, one nice ability was you could run a program from within Tempus and on exit of that program return to Tempus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 That was STeve 100%! STeve was very powerfull program that was build around database. Primož Jakopin is author: https://jakopin.net/primoz/ STeve was probably less know program since it was from Yugoslavia but quite unique, powerful and fast! You can find screenshots here: http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/software/index.php?folder=/TEXT#STEVE_3.FTP Here is page and original documentation on 800 pages! http://retrospec.sgn.net/users/tomcat/yu/ST/Misc/Html/Steve.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Btw @IndyJones1023 can you post link to original question? Thanks! btw2 there are more unique ST programs that never got to Windows or other OS and, what is even worst, their functionality was never copied by some other software. E.g. Protext (german program, not UK! They are completly different) - you could put calculation anywhere in document! It was like Excel without tables and with database. — When someone mention WordPerfect or Microsoft Write for ST I am completely puzzled because ST had far more advanced and more professional software then DOS at the time. Edited January 31, 2022 by calimero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 The question is from a different forum altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 hours ago, JamesWD said: Gotta be in either of these lists : http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/office/edit/ http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/office/wordpro Interesting, there is no STeve or Protext on www.atariuptodate.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, IndyJones1023 said: The question is from a different forum altogether. I understand that but can you post URL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 It's a private forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Ok. Then please let us know if original author of question had STeve on his mind...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 Will do! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 13 hours ago, calimero said: Interesting, there is no STeve or Protext on www.atariuptodate.de The site is not complete, I noticed CBreeze was also absent, although specifically designed around Edit/Compile/Debug C programs, it's still an Editor, another product I used extensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJones1023 Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 From the original question asker: "Wow. I would have never guessed. STeve is such an unremarkable name, though given it ran on the ST an obvious one. The programmer was at the Baltimore Con where I first saw it and incredibly pleasant. I am pleased to see his page with his large body of work since. Thank you so much! I can't believe you found it!" So, thanks to Calimero! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 No problem. I am glad to help For me it was easy guess. Original author of question very nicely describe STeve But real pity is that really small number of Atari users used (or hear) for this program Atari ST was truly Power without the price since it gave opportunity to make such advanced programs like STeve, Signum, Calamus, Protext, Cubase, Logic, 3D Max... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 1 hour ago, calimero said: No problem. I am glad to help For me it was easy guess. Original author of question very nicely describe STeve But real pity is that really small number of Atari users used (or hear) for this program Atari ST was truly Power without the price since it gave opportunity to make such advanced programs like STeve, Signum, Calamus, Protext, Cubase, Logic, 3D Max... Seriously, never had heard of this one. On the note of Logic and Cubase and others. There is some work I have been gearing up toward, and a big part of it is that I kind of want to do some videos or comparisons of somewhere of a 'then vs now'. I've scanned in the manual to the Atari PC 4 (I have not been able to find an English version online), but the scans are... meh. So I am likely going to rewrite the whole thing and upload it somewhere. Was considering using something like Atari Works vs Word 2021 (I have it on the macbook), Pages, LibreOffice, and perhaps some lesser known word processors). But maybe something like Papyrus, or I have the full Calamus SL 2015 that I may use on the Falcon... But I think it'd be an interesting article/video to see if you really can do full documents / manuals on older software.. well a little less about if you can but rather if it's actually simpler/easier. Because let's face it, things like Word are sometimes overly complex tools when all you need is some simple indexing, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 ^ I also have a plan to make 'then vs now' - it is preposterous how we did not advance an inch in last 30 years! Word is Word. Excel is Excel. There is no FUNFAMENTAL difference in using computer now, and 30 years ago. e.g. how many of you hear of Quantrix program? It is leapfrog on Excel but nobody use it (even before it become super expensive). Quantrix is an example of FUNDAMENTAL different using spreadsheets to "Excel". I am big fan of "no application" computer world of Xerox Smalltalk - there is no applications but rather DATA that can be manipulated by different tools. Today we are lightyears far from this concept; instead we have our data locked inside Applications There was some efforts in 90s to UNLOCK data from Application by e.g. OpenDoc and... I forgot how Microsoft called similar initiative. And I also planed to make more videos where I would compare doing similar job on two different platform, like this one: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchipenguin Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 9:58 PM, calimero said: Interesting, there is no STeve or Protext on www.atariuptodate.de Incorrect, both are there. Protext is listed as a word processor and Steve as an office suite (like Atari Works) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/3/2022 at 7:57 PM, kimchipenguin said: Incorrect, both are there. Protext is listed as a word processor and Steve as an office suite (like Atari Works) First, I click on “like” button on your message and only after that I check if Protext is listed in www.atariuptodate.de in “Word Processor” section. And it is not! BRITISH Program ProText is listed and not German Protext. As I mentioned before: British (UK) ProText have nothing in common with German Protext!!! German: http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/software/?folder=/TEXT#PROTEXT.FTP Bristish: http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/267/protext ...lets take a look at your claim about STeve on www.atariuptodate.de... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 STeve is listed: http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/1026/steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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