JCroniger Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Tempest is the man!! Stop picking on him. It's refreshing to see some ethics in the classic community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Tempest is the man!! Stop picking on him. It's refreshing to see some ethics in the classic community. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 ethics among the rom whores, its like honor among thieves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Just so everyone knows, I only possess five roms that have not been made public: 1. Locomotion 2. Unknown Activision Prototype 1 3. Unknown Activision Prototype 2 4. "Bloody Human" Freeway 5. Venetian Blinds Demo Everything else I have has been released (such as Mind Maze). I cannot release these five roms because the people who gave them to me asked me not to and I will abide by those wishes. I'm not doing it to horde roms or to be selfish. I really wish I could "anonymously" release these roms, but I cannot. I was given these roms so I could research them and post my findings for all to see. I don't own any of those prototypes either! I'm not trying to taunt anyone with my webpage, and if anyone feels that way I'm sorry. I'm in a unique position where people feel that they can trust me to research their prototypes and that I wont distribute the rom without their permission. If I were to violate that trust no one would ever trust me with their prototypes again. I really hope everyone can understand where I'm coming from on this issue. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 You're forgetting one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 You're forgetting one. Sadly that one HAS been made public by someone people used to trust... Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sku_u Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Just so everyone knows, I only possess five roms that have not been made public: 1. Locomotion 2. Unknown Activision Prototype 1 3. Unknown Activision Prototype 2 4. "Bloody Human" Freeway 5. Venetian Blinds Demo Everything else I have has been released (such as Mind Maze). I cannot release these five roms because the people who gave them to me asked me not to and I will abide by those wishes. I'm not doing to horde roms or to be selfish. I really wish I could "anonymously" release these roms, but I cannot. I was given these roms so I could research them and post my findings for all to see. I don't own any of those prototypes either! I'm not trying to taunt anyone with my webpage, and if anyone feels that way I'm sorry. I'm in a unique position where people feel that they can trust me to research their prototypes and that I wont distribute the rom without their permission. If I were to violate that trust no one would ever trust me with their prototypes again. I really hope everyone can understand where I'm coming from on this issue. Tempest I think it is excellent and is a testament to your character that you would honor the wishes of these individuals. Your site is top notch and whether or not any of the mentioned games are ever made public, I am glad someone cares enough to archive the information which must be a real headache at times There will always be a few who for whatever reason do not understand why these games are not available, but don't let the actions, objections and complaints of a select few outweigh the appreciation of the majority. Cheers, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 You're forgetting one. Spill the beans already!! Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Spill the beans already!! Sorry about that. He's talking about Rocky & Bullwinkle (another rom which I was asked not to release). The rom is apperently floating around out there, but I've never seen it. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaXpress Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 No one ever blamed Tempest for keeping ROMs or accused him of anything other than doing great work. Where are people getting this idea? There is bitterness about some of the proper owners and questions about their motivations, but Tempest is doing everhtting exactly as it should be done. He needs the trust of these proto owners. It is better to be teased by screenshots and descriptions of an unavailable game than it would be to have no avaialable documentation of the game whatsoever. Again, looking back over this thread you won't see a single person criticizing Tempest. Don't make up drama when there is none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 All I know is that it's great to see the screenshots, even if we can't have the rom. Invokes a kind of 'sense of awe' BTW, Tempest, your site rox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Come on Tom - I'm sure you can at least drop a hint or two? Not much harm in knowing something exists, is there? Waddaya say?? Nope, the owners are here on the AtariAge forums and I am quite sure they are watching this thread. So, they can decide, I won't. Sorry, my lips are sealed. Maybe Bushie knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushie2600 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Wooooooooooooooot ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Sadly that one HAS been made public by someone people used to trust... And I am sure the name of the person has spread inside the proto collectors community and nobody will trust him again, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 No one ever blamed Tempest for keeping ROMs or accused him of anything other than doing great work. Where are people getting this idea? There is bitterness about some of the proper owners and questions about their motivations, but Tempest is doing everhtting exactly as it should be done. He needs the trust of these proto owners. It is better to be teased by screenshots and descriptions of an unavailable game than it would be to have no avaialable documentation of the game whatsoever. Again, looking back over this thread you won't see a single person criticizing Tempest. Don't make up drama when there is none. Who is making up drama then? If you were referring to my post, it was aimed at CPU in particular (as always with a pun undertone) but even more at everyone in general. I absolutely respect Tempest's integrity. As I stated, I'm not interested in finding out who has something. I just thought it would be nice if we could have a list that shows what is confirmed to be out there. Are Tempest, Thomas and CPU the only ones with knowledge about hidden treasures? The list is still rather small, so it seems. There must be more - make us drool! Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCroniger Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 What about the guys at Digital Press? They always have proto or two up their sleeves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 I just thought it would be nice if we could have a list that shows what is confirmed to be out there. Well off the top of my head, I know that these prototypes are out there in at least one collectors hands: Atari XL/XE ------------- Mean 18 Midi Maze Xenophobe Da Fuzz Lifespan Atari 5200 ------------ Tumbleweeds Jungle River Cruise (unconfirmed) Atari 7800 ------------ GATO (demo) Sky Fox (demo) Sirius Plutos Missing in Action Atari 2600 ------------ Look Ahead Underworld Good Luck Charlie Brown Pink Panther Texas Chainsaw Massacre (alternate version) and all the M-Network protos Anyone know of others I missed? Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Atari 2600------------- Look Ahead Underworld Never heard of those, can you describe them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Tempest wrote: Atari 2600 ------------- Look Ahead Underworld Never heard of those, can you describe them? Look Ahead is by Mark Klein (who did Pick Up). I talked to him about it briefly at CGE 2K2 and he told me it was a puzzle game of sorts where you had to add numbers on squares and such. I really can't remember too much more about it. Underworld is some kind of D&D game by Commavid. I don't think there's an actual prototype of this, but I think there's a "Tape" of it from when Commavid was developing it (on an Apple IIe I believe). Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Atari 2600------------ Look Ahead Underworld Good Luck Charlie Brown Pink Panther Texas Chainsaw Massacre (alternate version) and all the M-Network protos Cool! So which M-Network titles are there besides the ones you mentioned in this thread? Cheers, Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 AD&D: Tower of Mystery AD&D: Treasure of Tarmin Anteater In Search of the Golden Skull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Anteater That's the one I'd like to get my hands on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad2600 Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I don't know how hard it is to find prototypes but if I ever, I mean ever, get my hands on one that Tempest doesn't already have on his site, I would not mind trusting him to post it. He provides a service to those who otherwise would not have seen prototypes. Think of it for a second. If Tempest hadn't started up his site, who else would have? Think of it again. We'd have a community of rom collectors that would never allow their precious roms to be exposed. This isn't the case thanks to Tempest and Atariprotos.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I hope Tempest doesn't think that anyone feels he's done anything selfish by not passing on the ROM. Tempest is doing a great service by providing his AtariProtos site and in order to assure access to games, he must abide by all wishes of the owner. To do anything else would be ethically wrong on his part. The point some of us are making is that the owners of these prototyopes have no reason for keeping them out of circulation except for the fact that they feel the games are building value. That's why I won't be kneeling in gratitude when the games finally appear for sale at the conventions. "Hooray, you finally decided to cash in, here's $50." Those who have been generous enough to release their treasures to the public deserve our never-ending gratitude. They are doing a service to video game players and to history itself. Those who are waiting for a big score a year or two down the road should be looked at like the mercenaries they are. We'll all want the games when they're finally available, but we should remember that many people in this hobby, this tribute to the living history of gaming, have no ambitions other than to make a buck. Hmmmm..... While I know in this instance that the motive for not releasing Locomotion is a moral and legal one and takes exception, I've never liked the "holding proto's hostage for cash, control and power thing" kinda pisses me off, well all this talk of unreleased proto's has gotten my attention and thanks to two Most Excellent Coders, a non-working unreleased game is going to be coming to an Atariage announcement near you very soon.... for free, for all to enjoy. Geee.... lets see that list of unreleased games, I may to go digging into my archives and see what else I have so I can post a lot more unreleased games out for free for all to enjoy. Curt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Vendel Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 Just so everyone knows, I only possess five roms that have not been made public: 1. Locomotion 2. Unknown Activision Prototype 1 3. Unknown Activision Prototype 2 4. "Bloody Human" Freeway 5. Venetian Blinds Demo Everything else I have has been released (such as Mind Maze). I cannot release these five roms because the people who gave them to me asked me not to and I will abide by those wishes. I'm not doing it to horde roms or to be selfish. I really wish I could "anonymously" release these roms, but I cannot. I was given these roms so I could research them and post my findings for all to see. I don't own any of those prototypes either! I'm not trying to taunt anyone with my webpage, and if anyone feels that way I'm sorry. I'm in a unique position where people feel that they can trust me to research their prototypes and that I wont distribute the rom without their permission. If I were to violate that trust no one would ever trust me with their prototypes again. I really hope everyone can understand where I'm coming from on this issue. Tempest Its this very reason why Tempest is held in such high standing in the community and why Programmers approach and talk to him at shows and ask him to help them, way to go Matt !!! Curt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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