BartOrloy Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Hi, i just purchased 800XL for my 42. birthdays it iis attic founded piece for good price, i am just onboarding this hobby, but my father bought 130XE when i was child i recently decided to buy my own 6502 system and this sounds perfect, i want try to go thru process of restoration, probably will make esp32 fujinet or i will use just esp based serial bridge in first steps, but i have one question, i would like to purchase U1MB upgrade from Lotharek's site but as i see there are two versions which differs by firmware, so i read about FJC firmware on his site and it looks like really good work from his side, so i would support him, but i have no experience... so whhat FJC writes is: In 2015, a desire to significantly broaden the functionality of Ultimate 1MB and overcome some of the limitations of the PBI BIOS led me to completely re-write every firmware component and produce a new main BIOS, PBI BIOS and XEX loader. Features A PBI implementation of Matthias Reichl’s High-Speed SIO code which does not require OS patching and which works with external cartridges The ability to set the system date and time from inside the BIOS setup utility Expanded PBI BIOS settings on a dedicated menu page System information page showing CPU type, audio and video hardware, and more User-selectable BIOS hotkeys Configuration profiles BIOS plugin API for user-defined external device control New, faster XEX loader supporting multiple FAT partitions, APT partition mounting, fast recursive searching and built-in FAT DOS Dedicated High-Speed SIO menu SIO2BT support (at up to 56kb/s) and high-speed SIO for PCLink and other serial devices Built-in CIO “Z:” RTC device handler Rapidus plug-in and support for PBI BIOS extensions in fast linear 65C816 RAM sounds like better for me, but can you tell me how much differs these versions? iwoulld like to support right person thanks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 @flashjazzcat @candle (and all U1MB Fanboyz ) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 19 hours ago, BartOrloy said: can you tell me how much differs these versions Nothing in the 'Features' list you presented exists in the original firmware. General usage methodology is the same (HELP+RESET for menu, 'L' for loader, etc) and the firmware doesn't alter the number of operating systems, BASIC ROMs, etc, that are available, but aside from that everything is 100 per cent different, having been completely redesigned from scratch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 9, 2023 Author Share Posted March 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, flashjazzcat said: Nothing in the 'Features' list you presented exists in the original firmware. General usage methodology is the same (HELP+RESET for menu, 'L' for loader, etc) and the firmware doesn't alter the number of operating systems, BASIC ROMs, etc, that are available, but aside from that everything is 100 per cent different, having been completely redesigned from scratch. roger that ! so i go with your version, FJC. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) so it came today, i just unpacked it and i went thru self test... it works perfecty, memory, sound ... just two keys need to be pressed more strong, but i think it is just dirt... it is in perfect state for my purposes... so i go to order u1mb from lotharek... i already ordered PCP for THT baased fujinet. i am very happy today... Edited March 14, 2023 by BartOrloy 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 welcome home. I hope you enjoy your Atari as much as I do 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) Hiya. Flip it over. If it has made in Hong Kong it is guaranteed to be fully socketed which means you won't need to socket the MMU and O/S ROM chips for the U1MB's ribbon cables. If it is made in Taiwan then - unless a previous owner has done so - it's likely you'll need to remove those chips and install sockets. The U1MB install is pretty easy, and with a presocketed machine all that is really needed is to hook up the three signals off the 800XL's pcb board to the cpu, (pins 35, 36, 39 and 40). Go in from the underside of the machine's pcb and just extend the wires on the cable included. Any help just shout, happy to help. I've installed u1mb in all XL/XE models at some stage. Are you going with the U1MB with FJC's firmware pre-flashed, or the cheaper one without, where you plan to flash FJC's firmware yourself? Once installed get yourself a Multicart or at least an SIO2PC, sio2sd, sdrrive max, etc and start playing those games. Atari rocks!!!! Edit: just re-read your post. Fujinet - cool. There is a whole area at the top of AA dedicated to all things Fujinet. You are rejoning the Atari scene at a great time. Some amazing games have come out in the last few years, (Flob, Yoomp, Prince of Persia, Final Assault, Atariblast!, Bunnny Hop, The Last Squadron, Onescape, Albert, Dye/Dye Heritage, Bubble shooter, and WIP games like L'abbaye des morts - to name a few. Also various 3D/psuedo 3D engines in the pipeline including a Doom engine. Edited March 14, 2023 by Beeblebrox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Beeblebrox said: Hiya. Flip it over. If it has made in Hong Kong it is guaranteed to be fully socketed which means you won't need to socket the MMU and O/S ROM chips for the U1MB's ribbon cables. If it is made in Taiwan then - unless a previous owner has done so - it's likely you'll need to remove those chips and install sockets. The U1MB install is pretty easy, and with a presocketed machine all that is really needed is to hook up the three signals off the 800XL's pcb board to the cpu, (pins 35, 36, 39 and 40). Go in from the underside of the machine's pcb and just extend the wires on the cable included. Any help just shout, happy to help. I've installed u1mb in all XL/XE models at some stage. Are you going with the U1MB with FJC's firmware pre-flashed, or the cheaper one without, where you plan to flash FJC's firmware yourself? Once installed get yourself a Multicart or at least an SIO2PC, sio2sd, sdrrive max, etc and start playing those games. Atari rocks!!!! Edit: just re-read your post. Fujinet - cool. There is a whole area at the top of AA dedicated to all things Fujinet. You are rejoning the Atari scene at a great time. Some amazing games have come out in the last few years, (Flob, Yoomp, Prince of Persia, Final Assault, Atariblast!, Bunnny Hop, The Last Squadron, Onescape, Albert, Dye/Dye Heritage, Bubble shooter, and WIP games like L'abbaye des morts - to name a few. Also various 3D/psuedo 3D engines in the pipeline including a Doom engine. hello! ok i see it is from taiwan, but i count with desoldering. Yes i've ordered FJC's version. I am ready to play with hardware and software ... i like 6502 assembly language also tried cc65... i ordered ultimate upgrade, to have more memory for playing with 6502. I made tileson based game engine for PC, one of my tasks i want try is port it to 6502 i tthhink it should be ok as it is just header based parser,. But yes i watched many videos, i saw MIDmaze played over fujinet, all you guys are awesome atari forever! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BartOrloy said: hello! ok i see it is from taiwan, but i count with desoldering. Yes i've ordered FJC's version. I am ready to play with hardware and software ... i like 6502 assembly language also tried cc65... i ordered ultimate upgrade, to have more memory for playing with 6502. I made tileson based game engine for PC, one of my tasks i want try is port it to 6502 i tthhink it should be ok as it is just header based parser,. But yes i watched many videos, i saw MIDmaze played over fujinet, all you guys are awesome atari forever! Cool. Yeah desoldering chips and adding sockets, especially in an 800XL ain't too bad if you are careful. Wow - a bonus for the Atariscene you have coding skills. Great. Look forward to your future projects/ports. One of the things you might want to look into which others can tell you about, is coding where they use Altirra Emulator, which a lot of coders do. It's an amazing tool with lots of features programmers find really invaluable and alongside other software tools like WUDSN (http://www.wudsn.com/index.php/ide) some cool things can be achieved. I am no coder, (I wish I had the skills - alas I don't have that kinda brain). Altirra can emulate the likes of many A8 hardwares, including U1MB. What coders are pushing the A8 to do is astounding. (Well that's always been the case, but certainly in the last 15 or so years and definitely over the last few years I've been back on the scene). A few little gems, (with some great 3D engines if you are interested): Shanti's 3D engine WIP: NRV's legendary Project 2 Wolf3D proof od concept engine: The Amazing Rewind and Alley Dog demos from last Summer, and several games: Flob (astoundingly good game): Equally amazing game (shooter): Yoomp - needs no introduction REcent game - fantastic all round point and click adventure: DOOM engine with lighting and 16 hues (part of the REwind demo- vid starts at the Doom engine secton): atariblast! (Simply amazing 1MB game): Spaceharrier port (1MB game): And of course IMHO you can't marvel at the A8 without seeing both a Rastaconverter image and a Graph2font image - (all running off stock hardware - no video enhancements): Rastaconverter: https://forums.atariage.com/topic/200118-images-generated-by-rastaconverter/?do=findComment&comment=5063853 G2F: Finally you can't leave out the Pokey chip for some amazing music: Edited March 14, 2023 by Beeblebrox 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Beeblebrox said: Cool. Yeah desoldering chips and adding sockets, especially in an 800XL ain't too bad if you are careful. Wow - a bonus for the Atariscene you have coding skills. Great. Look forward to your future projects/ports. One of the things you might want to look into which others can tell you about, is coding where they use Altirra Emulator, which a lot of coders do. It's an amazing tool with lots of features programmers find really invaluable and alongside other software tools like WUDSN (http://www.wudsn.com/index.php/ide) some cool things can be achieved. I am no coder, (I wish I had the skills - alas I don't have that kinda brain). Altirra can emulate the likes of many A8 hardwares, including U1MB. What coders are pushing the A8 to do is astounding. (Well that's always been the case, but certainly in the last 15 or so years and definitely over the last few years I've been back on the scene). A few little gems, (with some great 3D engines if you are interested): Shanti's 3D engine WIP: NRV's legendary Project 2 Wolf3D proof od concept engine: The Amazing Rewind and Alley Dog demos from last Summer, and several games: Flob (astoundingly good game): Equally amazing game (shooter): Yoomp - needs no introduction REcent game - fantastic all round point and click adventure: DOOM engine with lighting and 16 hues (part of the REwind demo- vid starts at the Doom engine secton): atariblast! (Simply amazing 1MB game): Spaceharrier port (1MB game): And of course IMHO you can't marvel at the A8 without seeing both a Rastaconverter image and a Graph2font image - (all running off stock hardware - no video enhancements): Rastaconverter: https://forums.atariage.com/topic/200118-images-generated-by-rastaconverter/?do=findComment&comment=5063853 G2F: Finally you can't leave out the Pokey chip for some amazing music: 1 hour ago, Beeblebrox said: Cool. Yeah desoldering chips and adding sockets, especially in an 800XL ain't too bad if you are careful. Wow - a bonus for the Atariscene you have coding skills. Great. Look forward to your future projects/ports. One of the things you might want to look into which others can tell you about, is coding where they use Altirra Emulator, which a lot of coders do. It's an amazing tool with lots of features programmers find really invaluable and alongside other software tools like WUDSN (http://www.wudsn.com/index.php/ide) some cool things can be achieved. I am no coder, (I wish I had the skills - alas I don't have that kinda brain). Altirra can emulate the likes of many A8 hardwares, including U1MB. What coders are pushing the A8 to do is astounding. (Well that's always been the case, but certainly in the last 15 or so years and definitely over the last few years I've been back on the scene). A few little gems, (with some great 3D engines if you are interested): Shanti's 3D engine WIP: NRV's legendary Project 2 Wolf3D proof od concept engine: The Amazing Rewind and Alley Dog demos from last Summer, and several games: Flob (astoundingly good game): Equally amazing game (shooter): Yoomp - needs no introduction REcent game - fantastic all round point and click adventure: DOOM engine with lighting and 16 hues (part of the REwind demo- vid starts at the Doom engine secton): atariblast! (Simply amazing 1MB game): Spaceharrier port (1MB game): And of course IMHO you can't marvel at the A8 without seeing both a Rastaconverter image and a Graph2font image - (all running off stock hardware - no video enhancements): Rastaconverter: https://forums.atariage.com/topic/200118-images-generated-by-rastaconverter/?do=findComment&comment=5063853 G2F: Finally you can't leave out the Pokey chip for some amazing music: yes it was like that i one day said myself i would like to know how games are made, so i started with Godot engine, i found its too abstract so i found https://github.com/ArthurSonzogni/smk it is web assembly library so i coded engine derived from tutorials i read, i decidd to use https://github.com/SSBMTonberry/tileson it works well with map editor its created for. but in meantime i helped witth solve some issus with atari800 emulator on esp32, so it given me an idea also check how games was made in these times, so i went thru 2600 tutorial, i found how smart was Nolan Bushnell with TIA design hmm i look forward for test it on real hardware it is awesome if you can see it really works, U1MB gave me more freedom to use this authentic hardware... hope everything will go well, but i guess patience is a key, i dont want rush. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 btw. i know tileson is maybe too complex for this architecture i also count with different way how bitmap will be manipulated and so i also know there is many projects like 8bit unity.. i just want try aand learn i can try to compile it with cc65 now but it is not first task on list now. i just want to say what i plan to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Gargantuan!! So many quotes and re-quotes of videos and pictures miles long kills phone viewing an honestly all but the better laptop, home computers can choke on this... please go back and make them hidden or truncate them. Didn't expect that at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Fair do. Didn't think of that. 😜😁 @Albert any chance of amending the YouTube links to display the urls only/truncate? TIA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) lol hope you wont change of topic here in thread to "how to optimize forum message presentation" :))) i am in the middle of tape recorder cleaning and gonna test retrobright on that unit. I attached picture, i expect this is czech turbo, btw. it sounds funny in today context :)) but Tesla is still active electronic maker here in czechia, and it was monopoly during socialistic era. btw. is there a button to mentioning instead of quoting, i am maybe blind? Edited March 15, 2023 by BartOrloy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) highlight and quote selection, 56 minutes ago, BartOrloy said: btw. is there a button to mentioning instead of quoting, i am maybe blind? plain text instead etc etc. copy video url, and then select display as link instead from the editor... https://youtu.be/MF7iqTBp9oA or Spoiler He is OneScape video and it rocks blah blah etc etc Edited March 15, 2023 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 i did not share any videos, but thanks, :))) i asked for button to put user @mention to this reply area, instead of Quote button, so i could reply to @Beeblebrox instead of reasharing his videos by quoting his message.... because it takes some time until list of names appear and strangers names there and so... why to remember name you want to reply to if you can click it ... so i ask, i did not know you both guys and your nick @_The Doctor__ starts with "_", thats all... but i did not share any videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 18, 2023 Author Share Posted March 18, 2023 inside of my new best 8bit friend someone abused him, but it will be ok since now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok69 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I like the embedded videos the way they are - comes right up for me. Can't stand clicking on links. Anywho... Looking good there! Looks like she needs a bath though. Does that have bubble wrap packing material on the keyboard ribbon connector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeblebrox Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 The small bubble wrap is standard on some XL keyboards I have found. The non membrane ones. Serveral 800XL's I've owned had keyboards that had exactly the same green bubble wrap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok69 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 That explains it; I only have the Stackpole membrane types. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 18, 2023 Author Share Posted March 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, Havok69 said: I like the embedded videos the way they are - comes right up for me. Can't stand clicking on links. Anywho... Looking good there! Looks like she needs a bath though. Does that have bubble wrap packing material on the keyboard ribbon connector? yes, it is my first retoration... yes i t has bubble wrap... i just cleaned keyboard and i am retrobrighting top cover in meantime. i like it!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok69 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Sweet! That's a big improvement! It looks brand new now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 20, 2023 Author Share Posted March 20, 2023 so i finished cleaning and restoration/retrobrighting... i clreaned every single screw there... and it smells like baby now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 20, 2023 Author Share Posted March 20, 2023 hmmm i see on pictures i forgot to clean SIO :))) just washed it with IPA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartOrloy Posted March 20, 2023 Author Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) btw. data tape unit was really in very bad state, ifound belt was very loosy, so i changed it with small all purpose gum :)) its tghter but it works i tried save and load and it works... cant wait for PCBS for my fujinet my temporary workspace: PS. read about AMY chip recently, interesting,,, Edited March 20, 2023 by BartOrloy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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