LessNick Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) Hello there o/ While going through the graphics archives, I found an interesting work from the Antic competition in FWA format. A quick Google search revealed that this is a file from the editor "Fun with Art" by Epyx. However, after downloading and running the editor, I still couldn’t open the image in it. Then I decided to look for converters to other formats and found only MIC and BP. Unfortunately, the result disappointed me, since after the transformation the transition colors were lost. Modern editors on PeeCee, such as Graph2Font, Atari Graphics Studio and Atari Intrerlace Studio know nothing about this format and accordingly do not open it. I just had a fixed idea to see this picture on a real atari. The only confirmation that this is a real work is the file itself in FWA format and RECOIL, which also display this image correctly. Any ideas on how to convert this format at least to XEX and run it in real life? Or maybe there is a universal viewer for atari? GOMEZ.FWA Edited July 4 by LessNick 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebe Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) https://recoil.sourceforge.net/ fun_with_art.zip (FWA -> G2F) fun_with_art.zip fwa.zip Edited July 4 by tebe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 17 minutes ago, tebe said: https://recoil.sourceforge.net/ fun_with_art.zip (FWA -> G2F) Thanks for the quick response and the archive with the already converted works, but I still don't understand how converts pwa with RECOIL? After all, it's only a library for viewing images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 There were a number of picture file convertors in some of the Atari magazines, as well as commercial picture file convertors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebe Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 8 minutes ago, LessNick said: but I still don't understand how converts pwa with RECOIL save as PNG, convert with 'ham_convert', links -> https://g2f.atari8.info/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 56 minutes ago, tebe said: save as PNG, convert with 'ham_convert', links -> https://g2f.atari8.info/ Unfortunately it turned out to be too complicated, the actions are not clear and I am doing something wrong. I select the required PNG file. I specify the atari mode 5 colors. After that I click “convert” and get the result in preview. After the procedure is completed, the file _output.iff, _output.png, _palettes.png and _palettes_indexed.png appeared next to it. It's not entirely clear what to do with all this, but okay, let's say *.iff is the desired ham. I'm trying to get a result using the ham2mic.exe utility, but nothing comes out except errors ham2mic.exe frame1_output.iff BMP2MIC v1.8 Convert indexed BMP,PNG (8 bits per Pixel) to MIC. Usage: ham2mic input_file [-p palette][-c color_map] [-r] [-h] [output_file] another try ham2mic.exe frame1_output.iff out.mic BMP2MIC v1.8 Convert indexed BMP,PNG (8 bits per Pixel) to MIC. Usage: ham2mic input_file [-p palette][-c color_map] [-r] [-h] [output_file] and again ham2mic.exe frame1_output.iff -p frame1_palettes.png out.mic Exception EInOutError in module ham2mic.exe at 0006784F. Read beyond end of file. Maybe there is some step-by-step instruction on how to achieve the desired result? Thank you very much in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebe Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) gomez.png -> 8bit per pixel + RESIZE to 160 pixel (+optional remap to ALTIRRA Palette) -> gomez_altirra.png ham_convert: source_file = gomez_altirra.png ; mode = 'Atari 8-bit 4 colors per line' ; CIEDE (optional) ; palette source = external: JASC pal file/IFF image ; palette file = atari_8-bit_altirra click button CONVERT -> output: gomez_altirra_palettes.png ; gomez_altirra_output.png run @go.bat (bmp2mic == ham2mic) bmp2mic -p altirra.act -c gomez_altirra_palettes.png gomez_altirra_output.png it will create: MIC, COL, INV files -> gomez_altirra_output.mic ; gomez_altirra_output.col ; gomez_altirra_output.inv run G2F -> load MIC -> second COL (INV in this case is unnecessary) ham.zip Edited July 4 by tebe 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetboot Jack Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 54 minutes ago, LessNick said: After that I click “convert” and get the result in preview. But that's a completely different image surely - not the one show at the top of the thread and not a FWA one (AFAIK that was a scrolling one that flickered two images to get more colours) - it may have been the winning entry actually... sTeVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 ...at your service ! - 4 ATR images with FWA pictures and loader/viewer - 1 ATR image GRTOOL2.ATR with ML-converters (try OMILOAD.COM, it can display FWA pics) - 1 ATR image PICCONV.ATR with BAS and ML-converters (try FWACONV.BAS and FUNCONV.COM and maybe all others) - 1 ATR image G15PIC01.ATR with several FWA pics converted into standard Micropainter / 62 sectors pics (4 colours, no DLI's, thus most pics do not look good anymore) FWA.zip 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, tebe said: run G2F -> load MIC -> second COL (INV in this case is unnecessary) 1) Open *.mic in Graph2Font. Got very strange image 😃 2) Open AGAin *.col & got colors! It's Magic!!! Thank you very much, now it's clear! \o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, Jetboot Jack said: But that's a completely different image surely - not the one show at the top of the thread and not a FWA one (AFAIK that was a scrolling one that flickered two images to get more colours) - it may have been the winning entry actually... I've tried various options already. It wasn't about FWA, but any other PNG images. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 2 hours ago, CharlieChaplin said: ...at your service ! Thank you so much! This is absolutely great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 4 Author Share Posted July 4 @tebe Is there any converter like bmp2mic, but with 5 color support? For example, convert to MCH format? For example, this image is converted perfectly in 5-color mode, but when you try to put it into the mic, it turns out crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebe Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, LessNick said: but with 5 color support? resize to 160x240, 8bits per pixel ham_convert, mode = 'Atari 8-bit 5 colors per line' bmp2mic -p altirra.act -c filename_palettes.png filenam_output.png Edited July 4 by tebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmenit Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 17 hours ago, LessNick said: Any ideas on how to convert this format at least to XEX and run it in real life? https://github.com/ilmenit/RastaConverter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mono Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 (edited) 21 hours ago, LessNick said: Any ideas on how to convert this format at least to XEX and run it in real life? Or maybe there is a universal viewer for atari? This format is quite well known and described, in the Atariki's article http://atariki.krap.pl/index.php/FWA for instance (in Polish). Even TBXL example is available. FWA block format is described too http://atariki.krap.pl/index.php/FWA_(format_bloku). Edit: AtariFan had written viewer in Action! http://atari8.eu/2023/01/03/przegladarka-plikow-fun-with-art/ (Polish too). Edited July 5 by mono 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 5 Author Share Posted July 5 15 hours ago, tebe said: resize to 160x240, 8bits per pixel ham_convert, mode = 'Atari 8-bit 5 colors per line' bmp2mic -p altirra.act -c filename_palettes.png filenam_output.png Thanks for the clarification, it really helped solve the problem with the garbage on the screen. However, the colors are not so good as wished, unfortunately. Maybe I'm doing something wrong again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LessNick Posted July 5 Author Share Posted July 5 5 hours ago, ilmenit said: https://github.com/ilmenit/RastaConverter Thanks, I know about this project, but unfortunately it is not ideal and is only good for photos in jpg. PixelArt has a lot of garbage dots, or it needs a much more precise setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebe Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 (edited) 5 hours ago, LessNick said: Maybe I'm doing something wrong again 5-colors is too complex for converters you have to try different methods, there is no one perfect method arkanoid_rastajuice.mch Edited July 5 by tebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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